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Kent Wildlife Trust edit

Featured list candidates/Kent Wildlife Trust/archive1

Nominator(s): Dudley Miles (talk) 22:03, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is the latest in my nominations of wildlife trusts, and is in the same format as Essex Wildlife Trust and Suffolk Wildlife Trust, which are FLs. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:03, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - I've only looked at the lead thus far, this is what I have.....

"Medway is a separate unitary authority." - I would clarify here that Medway geographically lies within Kent, otherwise the reader might wonder why this is even mentioned.
"The coastline is alternately flat and cliff-lilyned." - think that last word is spelt wrong :-)
"KWT manages fifty-four nature reserves, and twenty-four are Sites of Special Scientific Interest, two are National Nature Reserves......" - I would change the "and" to "of which"

I will look at the list itself later..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:35, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks ChrisTheDude. All done. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:43, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - the only thing I spotted was a missing full stop, which I added myself..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:30, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Gonzo_fan2007

I am curious as to why you talk about the county first, and then the Wildlife Trust. Essex Wildlife Trust and Suffolk Wildlife Trust both start with the trust, and then explain the county. Imho, I would stick to the way it is done in Essex and Suffolk. MOS:BOLDLEAD mentions addressing the topic of the article as soon as possible in the lead.

Good point. Changed. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Third sentence, first paragraph: "with twelve district councils, Ashford..." change to "with twelve district councils in Ashford..."

I do not think that would work. I link to the councils, not to the towns. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My issue is the comma, which I don't believe is grammatically correct. It would seem a colon would be better since you are stating something and then listing out what you stated. AN example sentence would be "there are three countries in North America: Canada, America, and Mexico." Let me know if that makes sense. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 13:11, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Colon added. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:18, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First sentence, second paragraph: I believe it is supposed to go (period)(quotation mark)(inline citation) i.e ."[5] not ".[5] Correct me if I am wrong.

The rule is that the quotation mark should go after the full stop (period) if the quote is a full sentence and before if the quote is part of a sentence. The quotes are part sentences Dudley Miles (talk) 09:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The quote in the first sentence of the second paragraph seems to no longer be true. It is found in the archived version of the source, but not in the current version. Thus, I don't think you can claim that they still describe them self as such.

I have found part of the quote on another page and replaced the rest. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Last sentence, last paragraph: "Special Protection Areas. seven are" change to "Special Protection Areas, seven are"

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That last sentence of the lead is a doozy. Any way to split it up or shorten it? It just seems to run on for a while.

I agree but I do not see how to split it. Do you have a suggestion?

The only way I can think is adding a period after "KWT manages fifty-four nature reserves" and then starting the next sentence with "This includes..." I'll let you decide the best route, it won't impact my support. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 13:11, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is better the way it is. Grammatically, it is not clear what "This" refers to.

Why is the public access field in table in all caps? (i.e. YES / NO)

I have done it that way in many other articles and I think it is better to be consistent. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What is the difference between the two Geohack links in the table for each item? i.e. there is a link to "51.160°N 0.862°E" and then a link to "TR002439" in the same cell that take you to relatively close places. Sorry if I am missing something, but I can't figure it out.

They are both the same but the first is the international method and the second the UK one. I have been strongly advised to give both as readers may be using either. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Overall, a really nice list! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:10, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your helpful review Gonzo_fan2007. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your further comments. Gonzo_fan2007. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:18, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support All issues resolved, looks good! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments I just have a few minor comments, it's otherwise very good as usual. You can link invaded Britain, Chalk downland and Fen. Also consider rephrasing " out of which 53 are breeding species". All birds are breeding species, but perhaps only 53 breed in this Wildlife Trust. Mattximus (talk) 13:58, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Mattximus. All points dealt with. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:12, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support nice work as usual! Mattximus (talk) 14:20, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from TompaDompa (talk) 17:09, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I would link Caesar's invasions of Britain in the image caption.

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It describes itself as "the leading conservation charity covering the whole of Kent and Medway". It aims to "work with people to restore, save and improve our natural spaces" and to "ensure that 30% of Kent and Medway - land and sea - is managed to create a healthy place for wildlife to flourish". – Try to paraphrase this instead of quoting it outright.

I do not see how to do this without copyvio. Do you have suggestions? Dudley Miles (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I might write something like "Kent Wildlife Trust (KWT) is a conservation charity founded in 1958. Its stated aims are to cooperate in restoring and preserving natural wildlife habitats in Kent and Medway and covering 30% of the total land and sea area in doing so." TompaDompa (talk) 11:54, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have adopted your wording to replace the first quote but I do not think that it fully covers the points made in the second and third quotes. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:21, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I would suggest "Its stated aims are [...]" followed by some paraphrasing of the main points, which seem to be (1) working with people, (2) restoring, saving, and improving natural spaces, (3) achieving the goal of 30% of the land and sea area, and (4) allowing wildlife to flourish. TompaDompa (talk) 13:26, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see anything wrong with quotes and I think they express what the Trust does more clearly. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:15, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's not a deal-breaker for me. TompaDompa (talk) 17:09, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

31,130 members – I'd rewrite this as "31 thousand members" (with a non-breaking space).

Changed to "thirty thousand members" as I understand you should not mix numerals and alphabetical. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

an annual income of £4 million – Is "income" the right word here? Also, "million" should be preceded by a non-breaking space ( ).

The annual report descbribes it as income.   added.

The abbreviations used in the table should use the {{abbr}} template in addition to being explained in the key, so the reader doesn't have to scroll all the way up again.

Added for AONB and SSSI. It is not needed for the other abbreviations as the full name is already shown when the reader hovers over them. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was mostly thinking about "FP" and "PP". The linked ones are not as critical. TompaDompa (talk) 11:54, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:21, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The first mention of "nationally rare" should be linked to British nature conservation statuses.

Done for all as this is required for sortable tables. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Right, that makes sense. TompaDompa (talk) 11:54, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

TompaDompa (talk) 19:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments TompaDompa. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Great job. TompaDompa (talk) 17:09, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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