Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Garbage discography

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The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 08:30, 17 July 2008 [1].

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Garbage discography

Been working on this one for some time now. As always, any comments and suggestions are welcome and appreciated. Drewcifer (talk) 09:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• Sweet title. Hopefully it's not as bad as it sounds, though :|
  • Well I guess you'll be the judge of that huh? =)
• "high #4 on" → "high number 4 on"?
  • I'm inclined to go with #4, since it's a chart. But I could be wrong. Does MOS mention this? Drewcifer (talk) 20:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
• Looks pretty good otherwise.

Gary King (talk) 16:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

What happened to the US modern/mainstream rock charts? indopug (talk) 08:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Garbage's singles have charted in 14 countries, their albums in 17 countries, so I figured it was unnecessary to devote 3 columns to the US and it's component charts in a table that already stretches the entire width (and then some) of a 1024x768 monitor. Besides, the other countries have component charts too, dontchayaknow, so I guess I had to draw the line somewhere. Drewcifer (talk) 08:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

If number of charts are the problem, then I think the charts with only one or two entries can go (Austria and Norway, I'm looking at you). I realise these may imply "bias" or "weight" issues, but the Mod and Main rock charts are an important indicator of the band's success and popularity; how they charted in Israel isn't. Besides, I remember once pointing out on the DISCOG talkpage that the HitParade brand of charts aren't entirely reliable, as opposed to Allmusic/Billboard for the US charts. indopug (talk) 08:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, well I guess we never did completely figure this out. Take a look at MOS:DISCOG, I've attempted to add a note relating to this problem. Let me know what you think on the guideline's talk page. Assuming you like it, I'll implement it here right away. Drewcifer (talk) 20:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Its a good start but I'm a bit iffy on two things. 10 seems an arbitrary number; the fact that you've added it in bold makes it seems oddly uncompromising; I think discretion on the editor's part should be allowed. Second thing is "go by the relative success of the artist on that chart" makes it seem a little POVish. Instead, indicate that charts should be included per what is important/relevant for that artist. For example: American alternative rock groups are mainly gauged by the Mod Rock chart; British groups by the UK charts and so forth.

So, for anybody in the world (even an Austrian) the Mod/Main rock charts is a better indicator opposed to any other chart (even the Austrian chart). indopug (talk) 22:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I've moved the discussion to MOS:DISCOG talk page, since this is more of a meta-issue that I'd like to get some more opinions on. Drewcifer (talk) 09:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Phew, finally redid the charts. Narrowed everything down to 10 and added Modern Rock and Dance/Club Play charts. Turns out that Garbage only charted once on the Mainstream Rock charts, so I didn't include that one. Cool beans? Drewcifer (talk) 08:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Support - Looks great. Another note, I agree with your rationale with linking to B-sides however I have decided to nominate them for deletion.

Resolved comments from Tenacious D Fan

I have some queries:

• "Only Happy When It Rains", and "Stupid Girl" - Should the comma not be removed or is this a UK english rule?

• I'm American, for the record! =) The serial comma is actually an American convention anyways. But regardless of such slight differences in language, I prefer it and so I use it. MOS does not specify a preference either way, as far as I know. Drewcifer (talk) 09:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

• "The band cut short their concert tour in support of Bleed Like Me announcing an "indefinite hiatus"," - Should the comma be a full-stop? This doesn't read like a comma is appropriate. FIXED
• "Garbage ended their hiatus in 2007,[7] and released a greatest hits compilation Absolute Garbage." - Comma should be removed. If you read the sentence out loud to yourself you will see what I mean. FIXED
• In the infobox, Video albums and Compilation albums both point to the same thing. Is this intended?

• Yes. Since the only video album is the video form of Absolute Garbage, which also happens to be a compilation album. Since the two types of releases aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, I figured it would be alright to link them both to the same place. Drewcifer (talk) 09:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

• You specify the formats Absolute Garbage was released on. What about the other compilations?

• I specified the formats for Absolute Garbage because it was released as both a music and video release. In other words, released in two very different formats, hence I found it worthy of mentioning. The others were just released in the standard music-format (CD, vinyl, etc), which isn't all that notable. Drewcifer (talk) 09:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

• Should Garbage B-sides be wikilinked? I recently successfully nominated a Radiohead B-sides page for deletion.

• I agree that the page probably shouldn't exist, but since it does (at the moment at least), I think it's appropriate to link to it. Drewcifer (talk) 09:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

That's all. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 19:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Cool man, thanks for the support. Already commented at the AfD. Drewcifer (talk) 10:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
  • Image caption is a fragment so remove the full stop. DONE
  • "twenty-three" etc for numbers over 10, why not go with the MOS and use 23? DONE
  • "Murphy, Peter S. [2008]. Absolute Garbage biography." - does this have ISBN, page number info etc? SWAPPED OUT WITH ALLMUSIC SOURCE.
  • "an "indefinite hiatus".[6] Garbage ended their hiatus" reads a little awkwardly with hiatus used twice in quick succession. REWORDED.

Otherwise good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

• Support Good work, But has a link on Garbage Video^[I] that is not working. Cannibaloki 19:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The one in the compilations table seems to work okay for me. Is that the one? Drewcifer (talk) 19:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

See this NOW click on the link next to Garbage Video (The first that I wrote on top). Cannibaloki 20:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

^ I Garbage Video is a music-video compilation, therefore it charted on the "Top Music Video" chart.

AAAAhh, gotcha. Guess I accidentally deleted that. Fixed it. Good eye! Drewcifer (talk) 20:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

• Support: Nice. I like to support. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 16:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

• Support: All of mine are addressed. indopug (talk) 17:55, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Support Late to join the party, but everything's been covered. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

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