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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 14:57, 18 August 2012 [1].

CZW World Junior Heavyweight Championship edit

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Nominator(s): WillC 07:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm back with another FLC. This will be the fourth CZW Title I've nominated and hopefully the fourth to be an FL. If you have a list you would like me to review, leave the link on my talk page.--WillC 07:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments very pleased that you've incorporated a neat history section, much appreciated!
I remembered you requested one for the Iron Man Title so I did it for this as it was probably expected. Plus it helped me get the article to qualify for a DYK.--WillC 20:24, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is "weight limit" really hyphenated?
    • Usually it is, but I guess it can be done either way. Removed.--WillC 20:24, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "championship, which is 220 lb (100 kg; 16 st)" the championship isn't 220lb etc, it's the weight limit that's 220lb etc. So that needs a rephrase. I would also link "st" because many people may not know what a stone is.
    • Rephrased, I didn't even notice it was converting it to stone. I removed that.--WillC 20:24, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "on February 19, 1999 at CZW's Opening Night event by CZW." repeats what was said the previous para, no need. Perhaps just say "on Opening Night."
  • " with only one reign" you said only in the previous sentence, no need to repeat.
  • Several rows in the table have no refs.
    • About 6 reigns don't have a single ref, but the general reference covers them. I couldn't find anything about those events at this time. I'm still looking around for stuff.--WillC 20:24, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 22, avoid CAPS in the title.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:18, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Image review: No complaints. Goodraise 01:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by the wrestling ignorant Goodraise
  • Isn't putting this wrestler's picture in the infobox a bit much? I'd expect to see a picture of the trophy in that place. They do award a belt or somthing, right? And a few pictures of other champions would also be nice to have.
    • No image of the belt exists on Wikipedia and a lot of the former champions images have poor license tags too or are in bad shape.--WillC 21:24, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • That sounds to me like there's still room for improvement.
        • Pretty much I included the only image that would seem to work. It featured a former champion and had a good enough license which had all the right information. Most images fail that or don't show the wrestler in the right way that it would help the article.--WillC 07:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • Considering that this is a list of public figures, whether they should be considered actors or sportsmen or both, I'd expect more than just one picture, unless, which I find unlikely, such images cannot be obtained by reasonable means.
  • "Event The event promoted by the respective promotion in which the titles were won" – This confuses me. What does it mean?
    • The name of the show the promotion held on the day the title was lost. Like Wrestle A defeated Wrestler B on June 10, 2012 at Show A. Show A is mentioned in that column.--WillC 21:24, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • I see. Please reword it in the article.
  • "+ Indicates the current reign is changing daily" – This is slightly confusing. Reword it please.
    • Any better?--WillC 21:24, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • "Indicates the current reign is on-going" – The word current would appear to be redundant.
  • The main tables lack captions. (See MOS:DTT.)
    • Never had to deal with captions before. Gave it my best shot.--WillC 21:24, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Better, but they could still be more descriptive. Also, "former champions" would indicate that the current champion isn't listed. By the way, + doesn't appear in the key to the second table.
        • Tried again--WillC 07:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Wrestlers Reign Date" – Shouldn't it be "Wrestler"?
    • Could be an argument for both but meh, changed.--WillC 21:24, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "double pinfall" – Can you wikilink or explain this term?
    • Linked Pinfall, should be common sense after that.--WillC 21:24, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Taylor was stripped of the championship." – Why?
    • Information unknown, noted.--WillC 21:24, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I must admit, I'm not as familiar with the jungle as I used to be, but shouldn't dollar signs in titles be replaced?
    • No idea, how the event was promoted. Stylistic preference, etc. Something along those lines. Way the titles were wrote so just done it like the sources.--WillC 21:24, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'll drop it for now. Will have to get back to reading guidelines again at some point.
  • "Footnotes" – Change the section name to "Notes" as some of the references are footnotes too.
    • Done
  • Reference titles aren't freestyle. Taking the first as an example: I don't see "CZW Junior Heavyweight Title history" anywhere on that page.
    • Changed--WillC 21:24, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • (I'll look at this later.) There's still several more inaccuracies. Goodraise 14:09, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • The rest are from the articles. Name a few if you see. Only one I didn't take directing was the history reference.--WillC 07:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • The general reference and ref. #2 currently have different titles, despite being the same source, both of them wrong. It should be "CZW Title History: CZW Jr. Heavyweight Champions". I also found mistakes in the titles of references #4, #13, #16, #20, #26 and #32. Plus, the title-casing is done inconsistently. Examples: "Best of the Best", "Cage Of Death", "Down With The Sickness Forever".
  • In references, when naming the publisher, skip "Inc." and don't use italics.

Overall, the prose is a bit bland for my taste, but I won't oppose over that, considering the topic. Goodraise 01:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Revisited. Goodraise 18:19, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • One more thing: Make sure that only full sentences are ended with a full stop in the Key tables.

My apologies for the late revisit. I sort of forgot about this. Anyway, the article is decent work, but until more pictures are added or a convincing rationale is supplied for why useful additional images cannot be obtained by reasonable means, I'll have to define my stance as weakly opposed to promotion based on the article not meeting criterion 5b. Goodraise 12:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps because there is no place for more pictures? Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 13:54, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It seems there are quite a few decent images of former title-holders, one or two could easily be slotted in the white space beside the "Combined reigns" table to alleviate this. File:Jun Kasai on March 12 2009.JPG, File:Eddy Dorozowsky entrance.jpg and File:AlexShelley1.JPG all look good to me. GRAPPLE X 21:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Let me note that the FL criteria do not require images. It is perfectly acceptable for an FL to have no images, although a photo or two does improve a list greatly. If there are no free images of the title belt, then we should only have an image of it if the image meets WP:NFCC. If that isn't the case, I'd say an image of the belt isn't "appropriate to the topic", and that 5b is not broken. Another picture of a title-holder could be snuck in by the Reigns or Combined reigns heading, if deemed necessary. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:15, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There's two related but distinct issues here. I'm objecting, and this is a minor issue, to the placement of a picture of the record holder for longest CZW WJHC reign in the infobox, as I think it gives him unduly much weight. I'd find leaving that spot empty or filling it with a picture of whatever trophy is awarded or even a picture of the current champion to be more appropriate, but that isn't my reason for opposing and I'm not at all insisting on a picture of the trophy being added. I'm opposing (and I suppose I should have put that more clearly) based on the list's general lack (one picture being insufficient in my opinion) of media files. At this point, it seems, we have a disagreement on what criterion 5b means. It says that a featured list "has images and other media, if appropriate to the topic". I suppose one could take this to mean that only images appropriate to the topic should be included, but that would just be pointing out the obvious, wouldn't it? Of course there shouldn't be a picture of a professional wrestler on a list of extinct plants. I'm therefore inclined to take it to mean that for topics where illustrations or other media would be appropriate they are expected content for featured lists (unless such media cannot be procured using reasonable means). Just to avoid any more confusion, I'll put it yet differently. The way I understand the criteria, they in fact do require images to be present in some lists, just not in every list. Either way, I have no strong feelings on the matter. But if your reading of 5b reflects the consensus view, then we might want to think about tweaking its wording to be less ambiguous. Goodraise 21:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the infobox picture has little value. I would move the infobox picture to the last section with the table and replace it with a picture of a trophy, belt or similar. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 13:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I did't even know those photos existed besides the Shelley photo and he isn't really important in the title history. I don't have any images of the belt that I have seen unless new ones have been uploaded. The only image I can get of the belt is a fair use one if I'm lucky. If I had one of the title I'd surely include it over any of the others. The current infobox image was chosen as it was the only one I could find of a former champion that was featured well with good quality, resolution, licensing, etc that had some significance. I'll include the Shelley image if wanted.--WillC 06:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support looks good. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 10:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support looks good, the only issue I have is the lack of third party sources. Afro (Talk) 05:13, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 09:07, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Split the references into two columns.
  • Categories should be in alphabetical order.

TBrandley 19:43, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just fixed those issues, because I have noticed that that user has not been active in a couple weeks. And, the issues are only minor. TBrandley 19:48, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Looks good. Great work! TBrandley 19:51, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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