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CZW Iron Man Championship

Featured list candidates/CZW Iron Man Championship/archive1

Nominator(s): WillC 02:59, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First FLC in I don't know how long. Did the CZW World Heavyweight and World Tag Team Championships before, thought I'd introduce you all to the Iron Man/New Horror Championship.--WillC 02:59, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 12:39, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Okay, this is radical, but following my own nominations of List of ICC Cricket World Cup finals and Premier League Manager of the Season, I think the lead here is too short and should be expanded to describe the matches each time round. This is the only article (i.e. it's not just "CZW Iron Man Championship winners") so it should comprehensively cover the subject matter.
- Not really sure what else there is to say. I've done several of these we all know, and I've included everything in the lead that is normally noteworthy. Only things I haven't included is which cities the title changed hands at, that CZW is an Ultraviolent promotion, and pretty much a detail of each title reign.--WillC 22:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yeah, that's why I said it was radical. It would be nice, in the prose, to describe the various championship fights in more detail than just the bare facts... The Rambling Man (talk) 12:20, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - If you want I can add the notes from the table into the lead, which I believe would suffice what you are asking for in my opinion?--WillC 08:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - Or better still, leave the notes and expand upon them in a "History"-style section (see those FLs I linked to for examples or the current FLC, List of Malmö FF seasons, which summarises the significant points in a history section). The Rambling Man (talk) 08:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        Alright, I'll start on that section in a subpage later today and add it when its finished along with some more sources. I assume one similar in nature to IWGP Tag Team Championship is whats wanted?--WillC 10:44, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        Sounds like a good idea to me! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:14, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        Alright, finished and done. Section plus several new sources have been added.--WillC 07:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Infobox caption needs a period.
- Done--WillC 22:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why link vacancy to Wiktionary and then to Wikipedia wrestling terms? Be consistent (prefer Wikipedia).
- Hadn't noticed I did that.--WillC 22:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"is a professional wrestling championship" I thought it was defunct, so surely "was"?
- To an extent, however it is still a championship, just not active so I thought is would be better.--WillC 22:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"The title is currently inactive, having been deactivated on July 11, 2009. Prior to deactivation, " repetitive use of "active" in various forms.
- Flipped them around a bit.--WillC 22:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In the table, why do en-dashes sort between the 0's and the numbers above 0? Same for location, N/A really shouldn't split the real locations.
- The vacancies are not supposed to be of the overall history, which is the reason they are sorted in that way.--WillC 22:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry, so they're not part of the overall history but they sort within the history, i.e. after the 0's and before the numbers? Shouldn't they sort before the 0s? The Rambling Man (talk) 12:20, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Its however most of the tables are sorted, always been difficult finding which way to sort them as this is brought up in every FL. They are sorted as 0.0 to remain out of the normal sorting. I guess I could find a way where reign 1 is sorted before them if that is what you want?--WillC 08:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - I don't understand why you would think it better that these sort within the valid numbers. You can always force them to be -1, say, which would sort them always bottom or always top, not in the middle like a 0. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        Alright, shifted them to "-1".--WillC 10:44, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wrestler name sorting needs looking at, I don't really see, for example, why Brain Damage sorts as D (Damage isn't his surname, is it?!).
- I'd see Brain Damage as a two part name like any normal name, with Damage being the last name and Brain being the first. That is the reason it is sorted as such. Wrestlers with a pure ring name such as Franky The Mobster sorts by F, while DJ Hyde sorts by H.--WillC 22:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ref. should be Ref(s).
- Done--WillC 22:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Massive dependency on CZWrestling.com, is this significant outside of its own world?
- Yes, I assumed to the PWTorch and Solie refs would help solve this issue. In the process of looking around for more results for each of the later reigns.--WillC 22:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:13, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments - history section, well done.

Suggest changing "Title history" to "Champions" so as not to clash with the new "History" section.
- Changed to Reigns to match other formats.--WillC 11:57, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Since you've said "less than a day" in the lead and in the summary table you have <1 for Domino, shouldn't Domino and Wifebeater have <0 in the main table instead of 0?
- Well they were champions for a day technically but not the full day, so that is used to show how it was less than a day. The other would represent it being less than no days.--WillC 11:57, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry, I meant <1. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Ah I understand what you are saying now. Its due to the age in days template. Never really thought about trying to set it up to look like that. I guess I could for consistency.--WillC 12:18, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"pinned at CZW's Trapped by LuFisto" would prefer "pinned by LuFisto at CZW's..."
- Done--WillC 11:57, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 11 needs an en-dash.
- Done--WillC 11:57, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need Category:Hardcore wrestling championships as Category:Combat Zone Wrestling championships is a subcategory of it.
- I didn't find that cat in there anywhere.--WillC 11:57, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - My mistake! The Rambling Man (talk) 12:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:20, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support I much appreciate the work done to accommodate my original concerns. I think we have a better list because of it, and I appreciate the nominator's efforts. Well done. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Image review: According to File:El Egotistico Fantastico.jpg, its copyright lies with Commons user ExtraTNA. However, File:Egotistico Fantastico.jpg names Randy K. Youmans as copyright holder of the former picture's original. I don't believe cropping creates a new copyright. This needs to be addressed. Good raise 00:00, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Switched picture to original version from commons I believe.--WillC 07:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Revisited. Good raise 00:35, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 22:29, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Tables don't comply with WP:ACCESS at the moment, MOS:DTT provides details of how to rectify this. Basically you need to add col and rowscopes to the table and a caption as well.
- Crap I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that for lists. Been having to do it for PPV results. Kinda thought it made them look poor. Alright, it's switched over.--WillC 14:17, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
At the moment, the reader is unaware the tables are sortable, as there is colouring obscuring the sort keys. There are two ways around this; either remove the colouring altogether, or add -color to style="background to get them to show up. Up to you which one you choose I have no preference as long as the sort keys are visible
- Done.--WillC 14:17, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would a caption to the key table, just so the reader is aware that is the key to do this simply add |+Key
- Added to both.--WillC 14:17, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"At 364 days, Steen's reign came to an end when he was pinned by LuFisto" is there a wikilink for pinned? some readers may not be aware of wrestling terminology
- Ahh I figured "pinned" was a common enough term to not always need a link. Alright, linked.--WillC 14:17, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"The title was vacated twice during it history before being retired in July 2009" typo in this sentence
- Fixed--WillC 14:17, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sami Callihan can be wikilinked in the history section
- Done, figured it was so close to the lead a link wouldn't be needed.--WillC 14:17, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 11:17, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support NapHit (talk) 22:29, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comment – All caps in ref 11 need modification. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:11, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Done--WillC 05:10, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Two comments

The final sentence of the second paragraph confuses me - specifically, "was the final champion in his first reign before the title's deactivation". The use of the word "first" there implies that he had more than one reign, which he did not. Could you change that to "his only reign"?
- Done--WillC 17:05, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I could see adding some more pictures, maybe to the right of the "Combined Reigns" table. Especially since the wrestlers are such colorful characters :)
- Added new photo and made sure license was set up correctly.--WillC 17:05, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Other than that, Support -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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