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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 00:35, 30 May 2009 [1].

Australian Crawl discography edit

Nominator(s): Dan arndt (talk), Shaidar cuebiyar (talk)
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We are nominating this as a featured list because we believe it fulfils all the FL criteria, it has just undergone a peer review and all suggested changes have been completed and the peer review is now archived. Any critical comments will be addressed promptly and hopefully consensus will see this discography promoted.Dan arndt (talk), Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  • Looks good! Just a few nit picky things...
  • What makes howlspace.com.au a reliable source?
  • Consider the publisher, Ed Nimmervoll, his article (and its references) makes it clear that he is a respected authority on Australian rock/pop music (he's been a music journo since 1967) and that his site, HowlSpace, is reliable. Many of the articles on HowlSpace are expanded from his Allmusic contributions. See his autobio.
  • Maybe add the catalog numbers for The Crawl Video File and More Wharf: Their Greatest Hits
  • Catalogue number for The Crawl Video File has not been found in a reliable source, it was issued in 1985 and not re-issued. Its existence can be verified by Salisbury Library catalogue sponsored by South Australian government. Catalogue number for More Wharf (EMI release) has been supplied.
  • In the "Extended Plays" section "album details" should be "EP details"

-- Underneath-it-All (talk) 00:14, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other than a catalogue number for the 1985 video release, The Crawl Video File, I believe I have addressed all your concerns.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) I'm not happy with the amount of simple errors I'm finding in the lead:
  • "The band had four studio releases, three live albums, five compilations, seventeen singles, one extended play, and one home video. " "had"-->released (stronger verb)
  • "David Reyne soon left and was replaced by Bill " (If there was a date available, that would be nice)
  • "and the band was later joined by his younger brother"
  • "which was produced by Little River "
  • "with EMI Records,[1] he also produced their " Comma should be a semicolon.
  • "remained in the charts for an unbroken 101 weeks." "in"-->on
  • "Sirocco, their second album" I'd prefer "the band's second album".
  • "1981 Australian End of Year Album Charts has Sirocco at number two behind" Very weak. Try "On the 1981 Australian End of Year Album Charts, Sirocco is number two, behind...
  • "best charting album"-->best-charting album"
  • "number one single"-->number-one single
  • "stop-gap measure between studio albums, nevertheless it reached number four during December 1983." Change the comma to a semicolon and insert a comma after "nevertheless".
  • "Prior to"-->Before
  • "27 January 1986,[1] it was released in " Comma should be a semicolon.
  • "Reckless: 1979-1995 Should be an en dash (–)
Date ranges use - not — refer WP:Dash
Actually they use – (en dash) not - (hyphen) nor — (em dash). They're tricky to tell apart.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've learnt something new today - thanks Dan arndt (talk) 07:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of people have trouble with dashes—most aren't aware of the differences, so they just use hyphens for everything. User:Tony1/Know your Manual of Style is a good guide for learning common nuances of the MOS. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "which was released in 2000 and credited to Australian Crawl "
  • "then the compilation Australian Crawl and James Reyne: The Definitive Collection was released in 2002." Make this a separate sentence. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ref 5, no need to list "msn" as the work.

Dabomb87 (talk) 00:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Truco (talk · contribs)

General comment
  • For my lead review, you will see "which chart" (or something along those lines) because I don't know if that one albums chart you mentioned applies to all those chartings of their albums.
Comment — All but one of the Chart positions described in the Lead are from the Australian Kent Music Report either for albums or singles charts as applicable. The current Kent ref#6 has a Note to the effect that Kent's charts were used in Australia from 1970 until ARIA established their own charts in mid-1988. The exception in the Lead is mention of Sirocco End of Year Chart position which has its own separate ref #7. AusCharts at ref #15 are supplied by ARIA, it has a Note which indicates that it applies to non-charting of some releases in tables (not mentioned in Lead) from mid-1988 onwards. Rather than repeatedly mention the Kent Music Report I felt one mention with a link would be acceptable.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC) If preferable, I could add Kent Music Report before each mention of albums charts or singles charts rather than just the first time they're mentioned.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What you can do is add singles chart and albums charts to some of the mentions, because some have it as reached number four but it doesn't say on which chart. Also, make note on the first mention of the Kent Music Report singles chart, because you only mention the albums chart on its first mention.--Truco 20:37, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — You make two points here:
  1. Added on the albums charts to the relevant mentions of chart positions in the Lead.
  2. Phrase which achieved number one on the Kent Music Report singles chart is already in the article when referring to the Semantics EP charting there. Other than "Reckless", which is dealt with separately, I don't think there are any other singles charting in the Lead.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome. I will support once my other comments below are resolved.--Truco 02:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lead
  • '...which peaked at number four on the Australian Kent Music Report album charts and remained in the charts for an unbroken 101 weeks from 1981 to 1982.' --> ...which peaked at number four on the Australian Kent Music Report album charts and remained on the charts for 101 consecutive weeks from 1981 to 1982.
  • 'The band's second album, Sirocco, was released in 1981 and achieved number one on the albums charts.' -- Which album's chart?
  • Done — Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Bill McDonough left before they recorded their extended play, Semantics in 1983,[3][6] which achieved number one on the Kent Music Report singles chart.' -- Comma after the name of the EP.
  • 'Bill McDonough was replaced on drums, temporarily by Graham Bidstrup and more permanently by John Watson.' -- Remove the 'more'
  • 'Semantics contained the track "Reckless (Don't Be So)", which some sources list as a number one-single.' -- What type of sources?
Comment — The sources are the refs. Ref#4 is an allmusic review by Tomas Mureika. Ref#8 is the liner notes for The Final Wave written by Ed St John, then CEO of EMI Australia (their record label). So I've gone with some music industry sources Hopefully this is suitable?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you not be more specific in the prose though? Like state what type of sources? ie. charts, internet--Truco 20:37, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — Ah! Sorry, I misunderstood the nature of your query. I've now revised the sentence to end with: which is described as a number one-single in Music Australia's profile on James Reyne
I have added a new reference to handle this statement: the point being made is that numerous reliable sources attribute the status of Number 1 to "Reckless" as a single since it was the most played track from the Semantics EP which charted at Number 1 on the singles charts. Australia had no separate EP chart. Some EPs charted on the albums chart. I've also changed Note 2 text content slightly and included this additional reference. Obviously this will alter the reference order given elsewhere in my comments.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'The live mini-album Phalanx was a stop-gap measure between studio albums; nevertheless, it reached number four during December 1983.' -- Reached four on which chart?
  • Done — Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'The band signed with Geffen Records for international release of their material.' -- This was when?
Comment — Added In early 1984, the ... to clarify when.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'In 1984, the band released the best of their early material as a compilation titled Crawl File,[4] which peaked at number two.' -- Peaked at # 2 on which chart?
  • Done — Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Tracks from these sessions were re-mastered and released on Lost & Found in 1996 as by 'Members of Australian Crawl'.' --> Tracks from these sessions were re-mastered and released on Lost & Found in 1996, credited under the 'Members of Australian Crawl' name.
  • 'Meanwhile, remaining Australian Crawl members had recorded their fourth studio album, Between a Rock and a Hard Place, which was released in 1985 and achieved number 11.' -- Which chart?
  • 'The live album, The Final Wave recorded their last performance on 27 January 1986;[1] it was released in October and peaked at number 16.' -- 1)Comma after the name of the album
  • 2)Which chart?
added on the albums chart.
  • What verifies the existence of "Santa Claus is Back in Town" and "Two Hearts", since they did not chart. If its the general references, then disregard this comment.
Are listed in general references
  • "Santa Claus is Back in Town" specific reference provided - Done —Dan arndt (talk) 04:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Video albums
  • What verifies the existence of these albums? If its the general references, then disregard this comment.--

Truco 22:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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