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The article was kept by DrKay via FACBot (talk) 7:53, 21 March 2021 (UTC) [1].

Caroline Island edit

Notified: Sethant, WikiProject Micronesia, WikiProject Polynesia, WikiProject Islands, Nov 2020

Review section edit

I am nominating this featured article for review because of Sandy's comments on the talk page. Verifiability and need for updating were among the issues cited. (t · c) buidhe 03:26, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • In addition to those, I'm unconvinced of the reliability of altapedia and oceandots, two of the sources used in the article. Oceandots in particular is used a number of times. Hog Farm Talk 03:44, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
References amended in accordance with your comment. Amitchell125 (talk) 22:45, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • move to FARC. Two edits since nominations. Outdated and years are not always included in citations. Femke Nijsse (talk) 16:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to FARC, nothing really happening. Hog Farm Talk 04:45, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FARC section edit

Issues raised in the review section include sourcing and currency. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:51, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, just a short pause, there's still work for me to do here, and I'll be carrying on for a few more days. Amitchell125 (talk) 07:13, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've largely finished adding to the article, but it definitely needs to be looked over by someone else. Amitchell125 (talk) 22:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that Nikkimaria should recuse as FAR coord and look in here, as she is our best Geography editor.

  • The article uses mdy, but the citations were using dmy; I converted via script.
  • Why is the article organization different than typical, where History is first? Flora and fuana are usually later; perhaps there is a reason for a different organization here?
  • Should a statement like this be sourced to 2010? In comparison with other atolls, Caroline Island has been relatively undisturbed.[3]
  • Prose issues, don’t know what this means: The crew of the Dolphin were able to be supplied by fish obtained from the island using boarding pikes and boat hooks. The central pacific ocean is Kribati? is the easternmost of the uninhabited coral atolls which comprise the southern Line Islands in the central Pacific Ocean of Kiribati.
    • This is one sentence:
      • First sighted by Europeans in 1606, claimed by the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1868, and part of the Republic of Kiribati since the island nation's independence in 1979, Caroline Island has remained relatively untouched and is one of the world's most pristine tropical islands, despite guano mining, copra harvesting, and human habitation in the 19th and 20th centuries.
  • The volcanic stuff could be looked at by Jo-Jo Eumerus
  • Wikilinking: sample, igneous rocks.
  • Dead links and citation needed tags still.

The prose is so rough and the organization is so odd that I don’t think this one can make it without serious intervention; unsure if Nikkimaria would be willing to take it on. Other reviewers might look in now; there are more problems than I have listed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:30, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a bit about the geology of the Line Islands. I've looked a bit at Google Scholar but many of the sources are actually discussing the Caroline Islands. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:57, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've put as much as I could find about the island into the article, it seems little has been specifically written about it for over a decade. My apologies if I've created a lot of work for someone else by leaving it so roughly written. Amitchell125 (talk) 08:14, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No apologies needed; looks like this one was a tough gig, and your attempt is appreciated. I don’t know if anyone else wants to pitch in, though; Nikkimaria is the one who knows how to deal best with geography articles, but this is a blend of geology and geography more than straight geography. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:29, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, let me know if you think I can be of further help here. Amitchell125 (talk) 08:48, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I had made a start on this, but have had all my edits reverted - waiting to see if an explanation is forthcoming. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That seems resolved; thanks for taking this on, Nikkimaria, and sorry for the rough start! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:21, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A big issue is that it appears that the name of the island was officially changed to Milennium Island, so we need to move the article. Did I miss something ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:31, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Caroline Island" appears to be still the common name after the change, see NGRAMS[2] (t · c) buidhe 23:50, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I would agree, the current name still seems appropriate per WP:NAMECHANGES. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:40, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    good enough ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:42, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment English is an official language of Kiribaiti and it belongs to the Commonwealth, so I guess it should probably use British/Commonwealth spelling and dates per MOS:TIES. (t · c) buidhe 04:40, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I thought the dates odd; if others agree to dmy, I can switch with the script. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:56, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Never mind ... i see someone already got to that! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:57, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would say this is ready for re-review. With regards to the concerns about dated statements, I've had a look and feel there simply aren't recent sources available for some of these details - not much at all from the last decade. Of course if someone else is able to find more that would be great. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the work! I will look in over the next few days. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:12, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looking in:

  • The page ranges are messed up. I don’t know what this means or what to do with it: Schlanger et al., pp. 11,261–11,262. What is 261 to 11
  • Page 11,261 to 11,262. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, I’m not the brightest crayon in the box today :0. Fixed page ranges, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:18, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why are tide predictions worthy of an external link?
  • Access dates are missing on multiple citations (I can do this kind of grunt work if Amitchell125 is not willing to ... sample, "Millennium Island, Kiribati". NASA. 2009. there are more
  • Milennium Island, NASA, is listed twice as a source.
  • Wikilinking is a mess in both directions (overlinking and underlinking and just general oddness requiring a review, eg Ministry of Line and Phoenix Groups, ...

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:35, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There’s just a lot of work needed here still, my edits [3] don’t scratch the surface, Amitchell125 and Nikkimaria did their part, Buidhe do you want to bring this one over the hump? It’s your nomination. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:02, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • ??? John T. Arundel and Co. took over the lease and the industry in 1881; supplied a total of about 10,000 tons of phosphate until 1895, when supplies became exhausted.

Someone needs to go through again and generally clean up. Or we decide to let it go and delist. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:20, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry but I'm out of my depth here, I don't understand at all how the article is organized, because I would have done it quite differently. (t · c) buidhe 02:41, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Buidhe most everything else is done now... would you be willing to read through and deal with wikilinking? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:46, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I did the remaining cleanup. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep not a stellar article, but cannot find problems worthy of stripping FA status. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:26, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep agree with Sandy's analysis—prose isn't perfect and there might be a little more to cover (the latter is speculation, I've not research this myself), but some great work done by Amitchell makes these issues minute in comparison to the article's current state. Aza24 (talk) 10:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Not our best FA, but it's close enough to the criteria that there's nothing to remove FA status over. Hog Farm Talk 16:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closing note: This removal candidate has been kept, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. DrKay (talk) 17:53, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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