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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 03:16, 21 December 2008 [1].

July 2006 Westchester County tornado edit

Nominator(s): Cyclonebiskit (talk)

This article had been needed for quite some time. It was created once but a merge was decided upon. So, after compiling sources I've recreated the article with much higher standards. There have been a few copyedits to the article and it easily passed GAN. So, the next step would be FAC. I've gone through just about every article I could pull up from the net (for free) so there's not much else I can add (if anything) without spending money. All thoughts and comments are welcome. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Do you have any solid information on the sort of thing, if anything, these paid-for sources could add to the article? Unfortunately, the comprehensiveness requirement still applies even if good content can only be sourced to something for which you have to shell out money. Steve T • C 23:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, I don't. The paid-for sources do not give a preview. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, due to uncertainly over comprehensiveness. No prejudice against withdrawing !vote should it be determined by someone with access to the paid-for sources that they add nothing of value. Steve T • C 23:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've asked my parents (too young to do this on my own) and they let me have the membership to the site. I'll search through the articles and see what I can get. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:20, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Found nothing from the articles which provided new information to this article. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Struck oppose after my own search yielded little of value. Steve T • C 09:19, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: is this article really notable I don't see anything that makes this tornado deserve an article of it's own. Is it because it occured in New York/Conneticut? I recall a tornado that occured a few years ago in New Brunswick and caused more damage than this, yet I can't find a mention of it anywheres on Wikipedia. --Kuzwa (talk) 23:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There's enough information and news coverage (granted that by a certain point they just keep saying the same thing). It's a rare tornado (one of only eight in Westchester), the strongest known tornado in the County, and at F2 intensity, it is also the only known F2 tornado in the county. Tornado history Project: Westchester NY, tornadoes. As for the tornado in New Brunswick, tornado year articles before 2006 haven't really been worked on that much (IMO). It may get its own article in the future but I'm not sure of the specifics of that tornado. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:05, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, is that noted in the article? Might be worth adding to prevent people using the argument that Wikipedia is not a news source. --Kuzwa (talk) 00:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Added it to the article. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll agree that the article meets WP:N. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My issues are resolved so Support. --Kuzwa (talk) 04:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments -

Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All of their data is taken directly from the Storm Prediction Center. I would use the SPC, but I can't get a solid reference that states what I need. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:31, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To determine the reliablity of the site, we need to know what sort of fact checking they do. You can establish this by showing news articles that say the site is reliable/noteworthy/etc. or you can show a page on the site that gives their rules for submissions/etc. or you can show they are backed by a media company/university/institute, or you can show that the website gives its sources and methods, or there are some other ways that would work too. It's their reputation for reliabilty that needs to be demonstrated. Please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for further detailed information. While these sites give their sources, they are essentially WP:SPS and need to satisfy that also. 16:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)Ealdgyth - Talk
News articles? I've checked this site and matched it with the SPC and NCDC records, and they all match up. The only difference is that This site allows people to comment on the tornadoes, no factual change. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, actually what we're looking for is a newspaper or other reliable source using this site as a reference, or discussing it and claiming it's reliable or something similar. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a NOAA site that refers to the tornado project. Also see USA Today, USA Today, USA Today, University of Minnesota, University of Colorado. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 15:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image review: Please complete an {{Information}} template for Image:DCP 7760.JPG. Other All images appears to be fine. --Moni3 (talk) 17:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've added the template. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:00, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments from the lead.
  • Delink the dates (optionally).
Quick note, the one date that is linked is a piped link to the Tornadoes of 2006 article, specifically the day of the tornado. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops, indeed it is. See, that's why links shouldn't be concealed. I thought it was another boring ol' date link. :) –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Westchester Tornado was an F2 tornado that touched down in Rockland County, New York on July 12, 2006. The tornado tracked for 13 miles (20.9 km) into southwestern Connecticut during a 33 minute span through two states. - These sentences could be merged.
  • The tornado touched down at 3:30 p.m. EDT (19:30 UTC) on the shore of the Hudson River before becoming a waterspout. It tracked 3 mi (4.8 km) across the river before moving back over land. - These could also be merged.
  • After passing through the town, it intensified into an F2 tornado and grew to almost a quarter mile in diameter - Needs a metric conversion.
  • making it both the strongest and largest tornado in the county's history - Which county? Rockland, or Westchester?
  • The tornado continued through the county causing damage to numerous structures along the way until it crossed into Connecticut at 4:01 p.m. EDT (20:01 UTC). - Needs a comma somewhere.
  • Not long after entering the state, it lifted near the town of Greenwich at 4:03 p.m. EDT (20:03 UTC). - "Lifted" needs context for non-weather experts.
  • Much of the information in the lead is not present in the body of the article, such as the bit about it being the strongest tornado in the county's history, as well as the last sentence of the first paragraph.
  • The tornado left considerable damage in its wake. - "Considerable" is vague.
  • Two barns and a warehouse were destroyed, and a large stained-glass window was completely shattered. - No need for "completely".
  • Damages from the tornado totaled to $12.1 million (2006 USD; $12.9 million 2008 USD).Damages from the tornado totaled to $12.1 million (2006 USD; $12.9 million 2008 USD). - Remove "to".

–Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Late response but these should be all fixed up. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In accordance with Wikipedia article naming standards, the name of this article has been changed. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:05, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - seems like it passes the criteria. RockManQReview me 01:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Most of the damage was concentrated to the northwestern corner of the town.[14] and caused $2 million (2006 USD) in damages.[10] - Notice the error? I'm not sure how to fix it without changing the meaning of anything. –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 17:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think I've corrected it. The half sentence was meant to be the total for the state. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Little glitches everywhere I looked, see my edit summaries, a runthrough by a new set of eyes would be good. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name was changed again per a brief discussion. No more moves should follow. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:22, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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