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The article was not promoted 00:51, 7 December 2007.

Jane Zhang edit

This article has recently passed through the WP:GA and it has been peer reviewed by Dihydrogen Monoxide which I am grateful for. Through the peer review, I am confident that this article will satisfy the WP:FA criteria. σмgнgσмg 10:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I think it would be interesting that you add a sample of one of her song to the article in order to picture her voice. CG 13:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. How do I include music samples? I never done it before. Also, the copyright laws would apply as she has not released any samples of her songs. The only music samples I can provide is the entire song, which is not allowed. σмgнgσмg 01:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment
"Foreign Language Department where she was majoring in English" she dropped out? graduated with honorary diploma? this is important missing information.
sources:a Fan Club is a reliable source? 13 sources are episodes of Supergirl Season 2. 9 sources are from various articles from "CRIEnglish.com" or "crienglish" or "CRI English" - what is the real name of the web site?
It seems too short. Incomplete - Lacking depth - but some topics have little depth to go into.--Keerllston 04:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I addressed the main concerns raised in your queries. However, the 13 sources of SuperGirl episodes are highlighting that her performances can be verified. We can have it there or we don't need to. But it just provides some indication where the information has come from. σмgнgσмg 05:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment CRI English is the English version of news coming from China Radio International. Pandacomics 19:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Query Might I ask how is it too short? This is as much information that can be provided. I've expanded all the information regarding certain areas of her biography, her early years, the competition, the production of her two albums, her vocal ability and personal life. She has been in the media spotlight for only two years, and the information avaliable is hard to come across. So, could you provide me advice on how to expand it? The article fits in with all of the criteria, including WP:SIZE. I'm rambling on, but my main query is a) What do you mean when it is too short, incomplete and lacking depth? and b) If you still feel that it is too short, how should I go about expanding it? σмgнgσмg 04:36, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment With things like her Image, or Musical Style, or how the media perceives her (and how she reacts to such media response)...things like that. Pandacomics 04:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nicely said Pandacomics.--Keerllston 22:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry for not expanding, I don't believe comments have to be as complete as objections, but I might be wrong. Let me clarify what I meant.--Keerllston 15:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose[due to 1b][Lacking information unavailable]
Missing: Life before Supergirl competition, any personal life other than single scandal, family other than one family member...--Keerllston 15:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - it is already mentioned in the article. Mind you, Zhang has only been in the media spotlight for 2 years and information is pretty hard to come by. Her personal life only involves the scandal. Her early life was... I guess you can say, ordinary. Finally, she only has her mother and herself due to a) one child policy and b) her dad died (which is mentioned in the article already) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omghgomg (talk • contribs) 10:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that it is hard to come by, but either "personal life" is titled erroneously and should be called Huang Jianxiang Scandal, or it should contain more information.
"During her childhood she performed at her parents' workplace" yet what were her parents profession? were the acoustics of the (factory? monastery? office building?) very good?
The article shows a lot of information about Zhang's performance in Super Girl, but even that could use work towards a better writing style.--Keerllston 22:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I think I have addressed your concerns. If it still needs fixing, please leave further information on how I should go about it. Cheers, σмgнgσмg 03:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Sorry about that, didn't see that it was a blog. My mistake. Anyway, I found a reliable souce, although it is in Chinese. Took me awhile to find and decipher as I'm not really that good anyway. σмgнgσмg 09:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • One or two > 30-second examples, maybe, if the accompanying text throws light on the lyrics/musical style. See WP:NFC. Tony (talk) 08:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Like I said, audio samples are quite hard to come by, and I don't know how to make one which does not infringe any copyright law. σмgнgσмg 09:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • QueryWas she characterized in any major newspaper as compared to the other candidates in the Super Girl contest as worse or less voted on than the others for a specific reason?--Keerllston 03:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Not at all. The winner was Li Yuchun who "broke" away from the typical Chinese female popstar stereotype. σмgнgσмg 12:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Zhang was a "typical popstar stereotype"?
        let me explain why I am asking - public opinion on her, why she lost, who she was perceived as, is the kind of information that would make this an article of greater interest for a would be reader.
        This is (debatably?) included in the criteria as "writing style" and/or "comprehensiveness"
        --Keerllston 15:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment' And I'm sure you can dig up something on the Baidu news search engine. Pandacomics 04:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Comment Addressed the topic. Although it could do with a bit of copy-editing. σмgнgσмg 00:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • WOW! I really like the bringing in of controversial material (are we sure it's being properly treated for NPOV?), Controversy leads to interest. Can you get more like this?--Keerllston 14:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anti-WOW and oppose. Not thrilled to find this in the first sentence: "who came to prominence when she placed third in the 2005 season of the Super Girl contest, a national all-female singing competition held in the People's Republic of China." WAS placed. Remove "held". And more:
  • "She was given the nickname "The Dolphin Princess" during the competition[3] due to her ability to sing the whistle register.[4] They had given her this nickname because Chinese musicians refer to the whistle register as the ..." Nicer to write "for her ability". "sing IN"? Who is "they"?
  • "Her next album, Update, broke away from the Chinese pop scene and had instead combined elements of R&B and jazz.[7]" "... scene BY COMBINING elements of ...".
  • MOS says to avoid "currently" in this context: how can you be sure that it will soon be updated? "Currently, she is participating in a World Peace One concert ...".
  • "Other artists that are participating include U2, Madonna, Pink Floyd and Green Day." Are they robots? "who", not "that"; but better to improve the wording: "Other participating artists include ...". I hope there are others, since "include" means that it's a partial list.
  • I hate all of the Chinese script. This is the English-language WP, so what's the use? Especially in the table, where it looks so messy. [However, this is not part of my objection.]

So this needs serious copy-editing; I'm sorry to come in so late. Can you find someone else to do it, since an author is usually too close to the text to see the problems (me included). Research edit histories/summaries to locate someone who's in this area and a good copy-editor. Act quickly, please. The director may or may not think it better that you resubmit. Tony (talk) 05:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Anti WOW??? but... but... but... I really really really like WOW :(....--Keerllston 09:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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