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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 21:35, 8 October 2016 [1].

Gomphus clavatus edit

Nominator(s): Sasata & Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:39, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been buffed by both of us on and off over the years (but mainly Sasata. Having scoured the literature I am convinced it is as comprehensive as it could possibly be. And reads clearly enough to mine own eyes...so have at it folks. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:39, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by FunkMonk edit

  • "Research combining the use of phylogenetic analyses of DNA sequences and more traditional morphology-based characters" Any dates and key studies to mention? Cladograms?
The main molecular work was done by Giachini in the early 2000s - will see what/how I can add. I added when, but paused at researcher names as am not clear how many people involved (mainly Giachini obviously) - you want me to add "by (Admir) Giachini and colleagues"? The published cladogram in 2011 onyl has two species.Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:35, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's fine. FunkMonk (talk) 04:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The starting date of fungal taxonomy had been set as January 1, 1821" Had been set when?
this suggests it's little complicated..... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:54, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, the "dilemma of 1950-1981"! I see... FunkMonk (talk) 04:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "brown hyphae" Explain?
It's bluelinked - would adding "(microscopic filaments)" help. Essentially the building block of fungal structure.. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:41, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, makes it clearer for me at least. FunkMonk (talk) 14:50, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
ok added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:29, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • felt-like tomentum", "fine hairs (tomentum)" You only explain the word on second mention, but link it at first mention Both should be first.
fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:58, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Basidiospores are" Explain?
It just means spores of a basidiomycete fungus - so have just written "spores" as we'd not call them basidiospores unles distinguishing them as a group Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Clamp connections are present." Which is what?
Extra structures that link between two cells in hyphal filaments. I am not sure how I can describe them succinctly, which is why I left a bluelink only Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:16, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Pseudocraterellus pseudoclavatus (formerly classified in Gomphus) is a lookalike species that grow under conifers" Grows?
fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "eutrophication is another potential threat" Explain?
increased nitrates in the soil - added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:29, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It is highly regarded by the Zapotec people of Ixtlán de Juárez in Oaxaca" Mention country instead of/in addition to Oaxaca, which has no link?
fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "family Gomphaceae" Only stated in intro.
I removed it - can be best covered in genus article - not controversial Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:45, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and extinct in Great Britain" The article body only says England. Yet these are not necessarily the same?
Source covers "Britain and Ireland" - have changed to "British Isles" Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:35, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - everything nicely addressed. FunkMonk (talk) 04:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from JM edit

  • "extinct in Great Britain" Great Britain is an island, not a territory; it would be extinct on GB.
Source covers "Britain and Ireland" - have changed to "British Isles"....I can't imagine saying on the British Isles...but in the British Isles...? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:36, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'd personally say "on the British Isles", but YMMV. Josh Milburn (talk) 15:41, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "33 species proposed for international conservation under the Bern Convention" Species? Or species of fungi? (Or perhaps species of plants/fungi?)
fungi it is..and tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:38, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the 'father of mycology'," If you're quoting your source, this should probably be double-quotes; if not, it should probably be removed.
unnecessary and removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:16, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "classifying Gomphus as a tribe within the genus Cantharellus in" Is tribe not between genus and family? That's what our article on the rank says? You later say "Fries' tribi (subgenera)"; I assume this is what is meant?
yes - tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:52, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In the Sherpa language of Nepal the fungus is known as Eeshyamo ("mother-in-law"), as its imposing fruit body is reminiscent of a mother-in-law, who has a dominant role in the Sherpa family.[29]" Do you think this is significant? It probably has other names in other languages... That said, it is an interesting fact.
Many edible mushrooms seem to be ignored in some communities and highly regarded in others. Hence it might not have names in many. It strikes me as a particularly rich bit of folklore, which was why I included it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:24, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is "later in age" grammatically sound? It sounds like you're merging two separate ways of saying basically the same thing.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:50, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The North American species G. bonarii features a dull orange cap with erect scales" You earlier said that G. clavatus is the only N. American species in the genus?
G. bonarii is now T. floccosus, so removed setence Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:47, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first sentence of "Habitat, distribution, and conservation" is a bit tricky.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:20, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "European countries that have reported the fungus" European countries in which the fungus has been reported, surely.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:16, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "one of 33 species proposed for international conservation under the Bern Convention" As above
I don't follow... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:20, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry- I was meaning that you should specify that this is one 33 species of fungus. I wonder if we have a list anywhere? That may make for a nice fungal FL... Josh Milburn (talk) 15:41, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The species formerly occurred in England" You said Great Britain above.
tweaked/see above Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:16, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It has an earthy flavor and meaty texture that complements red meat dishes." I'm not keen on this in Wikipedia's neutral voice.
I tried to neutralise it Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:50, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, much better. Josh Milburn (talk) 15:41, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Zapotec people" Link?
linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:16, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't look too controversial! Josh Milburn (talk) 22:22, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support, providing nothing else comes up. There are still a couple of issues outstanding for me, but nothing that prevents me supporting. Josh Milburn (talk) 15:41, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately licensed and well-chosen. However, a fix does need to be made: Two are user-made and one is from Mushroom Observer and the license checks out (I lost my admin status on Commons due to their ridiculous "inactivity" rules, which means I'm unable to review the license formally- one of the tasks I did as an administrator, but not one which indicates that I'm using my administrator status, apparently) so these are fine. File:Schweinsohr-1.jpg is clearly PD, but a further licensing template is needed to confirm the author's date of death (or why the book is PD otherwise). Josh Milburn (talk) 15:41, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Having a bit of trouble as I can't find the artist's date of death, which appears to be necessary for this template... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:17, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My searches have also thrown up nothing. How frustrating; finding any details would probably be very tricky. I would not be personally too worried about you simply tagging it with {{PD-old-70}}. If you want to be extra sure, you could upload it locally and tag it with {{PD-US-1923-abroad}}. It's definitely PD in the US, which is enough for enwp, but not, alone, enough for Commons. Josh Milburn (talk) 03:38, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
have left it with {{PD-old-70}}. Not a fan of separate en wiki uploads.. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:37, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and minor comments The standard is what we have come to expect from the mushroom men, just a couple of very minor points
  • many alternate scientific names— I know this is acceptable in NAm, but "alternative" would grate less to us poor Brits.
ok added the extra letters Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe my stupidity, but I'm unclear if a single fruit body is a pig's ear or a pig's ear
ummm, the two choices you offered were identical.. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck Jimfbleak (talk) 13:58, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ok added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments from Cwmhiraeth - Very nice; a (very) few thoughts:
  • "The upper surface or cap is orangish-brown to lilac, while its lower spore-bearing surface ..." - The first half of this sentence uses the definite article but the second part refers to "its".
twaeked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The specific epithet—derived from the Latin word clava (club) and meaning "club-shaped"—refers to the shape of young fruit bodies." - This sentence sits rather out of place in its paragraph, - the etymology in the midst of the taxonomy.
It's after where the word clavatus was coined. Can you think of a better place? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Gomphus clavatus (Pers.: Fr.) Gray. A 1987 revision" - Its rather awkward having the end of one sentence and the beginning of another in this series of letters, numbers and punctuation marks.
Sigh, I agree in part, yet rearranging the sentences around this makes them sound awkward too.. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:11, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am happy with your responses to my comments and now Support this nomination on the grounds of prose and comprehensiveness. Very nice too! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:27, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Coord note -- source review for formatting/reliability? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:34, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source review. All sources are of encyclopedic quality, I think. MushroomExpert.com seems self-published but the list of contributors is full of actual experts, so I think it works. All material appear adequately cited. In formatting, the only thing I'd say is that sometimes you cite multiple pages as, e.g., 170–73, and sometimes as 170–173. Either is fine, but it should be consistent. --Coemgenus (talk) 11:48, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

strange - I make all page ranges two digits only. I can't see one of all digits...? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:15, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, now that I look again, neither can I. Could've sworn there was some discrepancy. All right, then, it's all correct then. Sorry for the confusion! --Coemgenus (talk) 18:25, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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