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The article was promoted by Hog Farm via FACBot (talk) 19 June 2022 [1].

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Daglish railway station

Nominator(s): Steelkamp (talk) 14:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

This is about a small railway station in Perth, Western Australia. With not much changing about it since it was built in the 1920s, it is quite a short article. With eight railway station good articles, I figured I must get at least one as a featured article, to make sure I'm getting the structure and everything else right. I have used the feedback given to me by my eight station good article reviews to improve this article to hopefully make this my first featured article. I look forward to receiving feedback Steelkamp (talk) 14:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

To address some comments I will probably receive, I will say this:

• There are no patronage figures more recent than the ones presently in the article.
• The government has not yet announced a specific date for the opening of the Airport line.

– Steelkamp (talk) 14:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Image review—pass (t · c) buidhe 06:38, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Comments Support from AviationFreak

• Coords given in title line and infobox are unnecessarily precise. Suggest using something like -31.9518, 115.8134 (conversion into DMS is fine)
  • Done.
• Island platform can be linked
  • Done.
• operated as a parcel's office - "parcel office"? Maybe in Australian English it would be "parcels office"? Not sure, but in any case I don't think it's possessive.
  • Source is inconsistent between parcels office and parcel's office, so I chose parcels office.
• Suggest piping "accessible" to Accessibility (i.e. handicapped-accessible) given that it is ambiguous
  • Done.
• Could use a footnote about when "peak" is
  • I've linked to peak hour, which I think hour or rush hour is sufficiently understandable to readers. I won't want to go more specific than what I've done because: A. timetable changes that happen every few years could slightly change the start and end of the 10 minute frequency period; and B. I don't want to violate WP:NOTGUIDE by having the service information too detailed; and C: 10 minute frequencies start in one direction before the other direction.
• Pipe "public holidays" to Public holidays in Australia
  • Done.
• Suggest removal of comma after 4.9km/3mi
  • Done.
• It is between Railway Road to the south-east and Stubbs Terrace to the north-west. - This reads as a bit confusing to me.
  • Reworded that sentence.
• Last comma in first paragraph of "Description" is extraneous
  • Done.
• Fremantle should be linked
  • Done.
• What is a "platform face"?
  • Changed wording to platform edge, hopefully it is clearer now. The reason I make the distinction between platform edge and platform is because the PTA numbers each platform edge as its own platform. So this station has a platform one and a platform two. You can see what I mean by looking at the infobox image.
• "Bitumen" should be "asphalt" as I understand it, but there are apparently ENGVAR differences there; From what I understand it's still "asphalt" in Australian English?
  • Done, it appears you are right.
• Suggest piping pedestrian subway to Subway (underpass)
  • Done.
• Is the number of parking spaces in the lot necessary information?
  • I think so. It conveys the sort of station it is. A station with 58 bays is different to a station with 500 bays. It implies that the station is more walkable than a large park and ride station.
• We have mentioned the lack of tactile paving three times now, once in the lede and twice in the body. Suggest removing one, probably the first one in the body as it's not placed with other accessibility-related info
  • Done.
• Suggest de-linking siding in favor of linking "turnback siding" to the more specific pocket track
  • Done, didn't know that was an article.
• ...has capacity for five trains per hour, and so an additional turnback will be needed... - Suggest removing the "and" after the comma
  • Done.
• Premier James Mitchell, Minister for Railways John Scaddan, and Mayor of Subiaco Walter Richardson - There are three Seas of blue here
  • I've changed this so there is no longer a sea of blue there. The source only actually mentions Walter Richardson by name so I've removed the names of the other two there.
• "Northwest" is not hyphenated, but in other places in the article directions like this are hyphenated.
  • Done.
• station's parcel's office - Same question as above
  • Done.
• Services on the Fremantle line were restored on June 23 per our article on the closure, so suggest "It re-opened on 29 July 1983 after services on the Fremantle line were restored."
  • It appears that article was wrong. I couldn't find any sources which say 23 July, but I could find many that said 29 July. Other than the ones in the article, there are these: [2] [3] [4]
    • Interesting - I see you've corrected the article. Thank you!
• served by the Airport line when that opens -> "served by the Airport line upon the line's opening" or something similar
  • Done.
• Same suggestion as above for peak footnotes and linking public holidays
  • See above comment about peak.
• If night service is only half-hourly or hourly, suggest including that in the lede as service info is presumably some of the most important for travelers at the station today
  • Done.

Overall a solid article prose-wise. Best of luck on your first FAC! AviationFreak💬 21:58, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks for the review AviationFreak. I've addressed all your comments. Steelkamp (talk) 06:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
  • This looks good, and I was definitely getting a bit close to NOTGUIDE with the footnote suggestion. All concerns have been satisfactorily addressed. Support on prose.

Comments

• "who was a mayor of Subiaco, member for the electoral district of Subiaco and premier of Western Australia in the 1900s" - I would change "a mayor" to just "mayor" to be consistent with the other two (both in the lead and body)
  • I decided to do the opposite and changed "member for the electoral district of Subiaco, and premier of Western Australia" to "a member for the electoral district of Subiaco, and a premier of Western Australia". This is because it wouldn't be grammatically correct to write that Daglish was member for the electoral district of Subiaco.
• Tactile paving is linked in the lead but not the body
  • Done.
• That's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:59, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Thanks, let me know what you think after the changes I've done. Steelkamp (talk) 17:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Comments Support from TAOT

Hi Steelkamp! Thanks for nominating this article. I will leave you some comments within 24 hours. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

• In general, please check for compliance with MOS:DATECOMMA. For instance, Opened on 14 July 1924, should be Opened on 14 July, 1924.
  • I believe that only applies for MDY dates, not DMY dates. See examples at MOS:DATE.
    • You are correct, now that I've checked. So this is not an issue. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:59, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
• There is a car park on both sides of the station, Should this be "There are car parks on both sides of the station"?
  • I agree. Done.
• Nice work on the photos. Overall this is very well done. I will add a few more nitpicks but overall you are quite close to FA status at present with this article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:17, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
• Airport line, Perth gives a starting date of "By 30 June, 2022." I suggest being more specific in this article than "the first half of 2022" as we are already 5 months into 2022.
  • There have been recent reports of delays. Now the government is saying it will open "later in 2022". I have changed the article accordingly.
• The Public Transport Authority (Western Australia) was formed in 2003. Who owned the station before that time? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:22, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Added a footnote.
• Rail yard can be linked.
• Daglish station underpass entrance is not a very descriptive caption. I suggest expanding upon it a bit more. Not something I am dead set on being a requirement for FA but I believe it's worth considering.

That's all I have. Happy to support once these two comments are addressed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:59, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok, what do you think now. Steelkamp (talk) 03:48, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I can't think of anything else. Happy to support at this time. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 04:09, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Image review

• File:Daglish_Station,_c._1924.png: was the given source the first publication? Did this source include a copyright notice? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:29, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

The source did not include a copyright notice. I have not been able to find any other publication of this image, so we have to assume that 1985 was the date of first publication. There was no copyright notice in the source either, but it does say the picture was taken "soon after its construction in the mid-1920s".

I'm not sure that this is an issue though. Commons:Template:PD-Australia says the copyright has expired if "taken or published prior to 1 January 1955". Since this was taken in the 1920s, the copyright would have expired in Australia by 1 January 1996, making it PD in the United States. Steelkamp (talk) 08:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

It does matter for the URAA tag - see its point 2. Google Books suggests that there was a copyright notice for the book as a whole? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:27, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

I've removed the image. Steelkamp (talk) 05:56, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Source review - pass

• All sources are of appropriate quality
• The two ISBNs (fn 1 and 15) are formatted differently. I reformatted to 978-0-7319-3006-7 and 978-0-85564-239-6 respectively.
• Spot checks: 6, 8 and 17 - all good

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:49, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hog Farm _Talk 04:04, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

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