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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 13 May 2019 [1].

Cyclone Raja edit

Nominator(s): Jason Rees (talk) 16:43, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Severe Tropical Cyclone Raja which impacted the South Pacific over the New Year of 1986/87. I have researched it in depth over the last few years and feel that the article is now complete and would benefit from an FAC. Jason Rees (talk) 16:43, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support, most are really easy.

  • Could you make the 5th and 6th lede sentences simpler?
  • Given territories like "Wallace and Futuna", I have to strongly encourage you to re-add the oxford comma.
  • Should you link to/mention fujiwhara effect, re: Raja/Sally?
  • "Its outflow shrank before it weakened to a depression on January 1" - ehh
  • Link blocking pattern?
  • Are there any more satellite images of the storm to add?
    • Commons does not have any other satellite images for Raja, but will have a look around to see what i can find.Jason Rees (talk) 12:27, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • How did the people die due to the storm? Like, "One person was killed on the island of Lakeba as he and two others tried to move a boat to a safer anchorage." - so did the person drown? How did the storm cause the death?
    • The person did indeed drown and since the storm created the conditions for the person to die it has been attributed to Raja by several sources. Not sure where I got the second death from though so i have removed it for now.Jason Rees (talk) 14:42, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The service noted that the system had the potential to cause damage similar to that of Cyclones Eric (1985) and Oscar (1983)." - what did that matter, the potential of the storm's damage? What happened happened several decades ago.
    • Is a nice line that i have decided to remove.Jason Rees (talk) 11:18, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Raja was indirectly responsible for the worst flooding of the Labasa River since December 1929" - why only "indirectly"?
    • Not sure of hand - so I have removed the word indirectly.Jason Rees (talk) 11:18, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The flooding in Labasa, later attributed to a "choked drainage system" and "exceptionally high tides", would reportedly have been higher if not for dry soil. - why the quotes? Say it simpler so you don't have to quote it.

Otherwise, the article is in good shape. It's generally well-written, and explains an old storm well. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:24, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks fro the review @Hurricanehink:.Jason Rees (talk) 12:40, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article is the best resource for the storm online. I support, contingent that Jason takes care of comments elsewhere addressed on here. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:47, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Hurricane Noah edit

I will do a full review later, but I had some items I wanted to address first.

  • Would it be possible to have some images in the impact section? The storm hitting Fiji? I just think an image or two would help. NoahTalk 00:29, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Commons does not have any other images for Raja but will have a look around to see what i can find.Jason Rees (talk) 12:26, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Secondly, why are dates in this format when Fiji uses day/month/year? NoahTalk 00:29, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Because I prefer writing in MDY, as it flows better.Jason Rees (talk) 12:26, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks like MOS:DATETIES would apply here as this is somewhat significant event for Fiji in that year. NoahTalk 13:15, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    This has been done.Jason Rees (talk) 11:18, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why wait until the MH to abbreviate Fiji Met Service? NoahTalk 21:07, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "with 10-minute sustained wind speeds estimated at 150 km/h (90 mph)" I feel it would be better as 'with estimated 10-minute sustained winds of 150 km/h (90 mph)'. NoahTalk 21:07, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:34, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources review edit

  • No spotchecks carried out
  • Source links are all working, per the external links checker tool
  • Various format issues:
  • There's a problem with the page ranges in ref 2
  • The problem you refer to is that the source labels them as I1 II2 etc, however, for convenience, I have included the PDF page numbering.Jason Rees (talk) 00:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are format inconsistencies in the archive and retrieval dates. Sometimes MDY is used, sometimes DMY. Decide on one or the other.
  • The references in MDY are from templates and I'm not sure if there is a way of changing them just for this article, without removing the template?.Jason Rees (talk) 00:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Language needs to be indicated for refs 6, 13, 25, and 27
  • Page refs should be given for news sources where there is no online link. This applies to refs 30, 31, 35, 36, 41, 43, 47 and 48
  • Lexis Nexis supplies no page numbers for these articles.Jason Rees (talk) 00:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Subscription templates are pointless when there is no online link.
  • Quality and reliability: In general the sources seem to meet the criteria for quality and reliability. However, can you explain the nature of "Xinhua" which appears in ref 41? Brianboulton (talk) 14:46, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ref 41 is a news report that is from The Xinhua General Overseas News Service taken from Lexis Nexis.Jason Rees (talk) 00:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on prose, content, and presentation. A comprehensive and well-researched article with clear, no-nonsense prose. I've made a few minor edits, which the author can feel free to revert at his discretion if I've inadvertently changed the meaning of anything. My only outstanding critique would be that there's no link to the parent tropical cyclone page... it would be good to work that in somewhere. Otherwise, excellent. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:28, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: Support by TropicalAnalystwx13

  • I don't think dashes are needed for "tropical-cyclone alerts" throughout the article?
    • Removed as it is a tropical cyclone alert and not a tropical-cyclone alert.Jason Rees (talk) 00:39, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you link "storm warning" somewhere?
  • "Although the system moved southwest and affected Tuvalu as expected, it failed to deepen as quickly as anticipated, however, its strong, gusty winds and high seas caused extensive damage to crops, coastal installations and buildings and flooded low-lying areas on the island nation." - This is a large sentence, can we use a semicolon or a period around "however"?
  • A pierod works better imo.Jason Rees (talk) 00:39, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Gale warnings were issued on 25 December for the two islands and remained in place until 28 December" - Wikilink gale.
  • "A tropical-cyclone alert was issued for the islands of southern Tonga on 29 December, when the possibility arose that Raja would turn southeast and affect central and southern Tonga.[3] The threat to Tonga increased, with a gale warning issued for Tongatapu and the Nomuka group of islands before all warnings for Tonga were cancelled on 30 December.[3]" - We established the threat increased when TC alerts were put in place, I don't think we need to explicitly say it.
  • "It also generated high seas, flooding, landslides and a storm surge which damaged Futuna's grass airstrip." - Wikilink storm surge.
  • "The aircraft, which also carried French Secretary of State for the South Pacific Gaston Flosse, evacuated the most seriously injured casualties to Wallis." - Just for me, "seriously injured casualties" is a bit repetitive. Can we substitute causalities for persons or individuals or something like that?

That's it from me. ☁❄ϟ TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 22:55, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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