Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Alice in Chains/archive1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was not promoted 16:32, 20 December 2007.
Alice in Chains edit
I'm nominating this article for featured article because it is a current good article, and it has come a long way since I started working on it. I started working on it about a month ago, and it is considerably larger and has about 45 more citations.
Thank you,
Skeeker [Talk] 23:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Objection - hmmm... mainly copy-editing concerns?
" In fact, the band took six attempts at "Sludge Factory" " please remove "in fact"
"Staley spiraled deeper into depression" I'm guessing the source is not his clinical psychologist?
" At the concert they performed their own songs, "Would?" (with Pantera/Down vocalist Phil Anselmo) and "Rooster" (with William DuVall and Ann Wilson)" - could the parenthesis be done away with in favor of nicer formatting? - something like "Would" with the participation of Phil Anselmo from Pantera and Down, if this information is not really relevant/notable obviously it shouldn't be in the article in the first place.
"The band plan to release their first studio album since the 1995 album Alice in Chains, by the end of 2008." -bad grammar -the bandmembers plan, the band plans.
Didn't they get notable bad reviews ever? - seems comprehensibility and NPOV are both at play here.
please don't cut my comment into pieces - respond in a paragraph of your own. - might I suggest using Friendly Notices to get more reviews for this candidateship?
--Keerllston 09:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] - Approval - The article is considerably more informative than it used to be. "Staley spiraled into deeper depression" - this is a fact!!! It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he was having problems; they got progressively worse as the band's career went on and his heroin addiction grew more out of control.
Dark Executioner (talk) 13:52, 15 December 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner[reply]
- Fact? - was he clinically diagnosed? otherwise it's not fact - and I asked if the source was his clinical psychologist - it can be said that he said and that others said that he was depressed, but not that he was depressed unless it's properly verified - as in- by a psychologist--Keerllston 16:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sure that he WAS officially diagnosed. Somebody with more time than myself should Google it. But yes, I agree that there could be a lot more descriptions about the albums. Dark Executioner (talk) 17:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner[reply]
Oppose- I have too many concerns with this article to endorse it: Not a fan of the band's logo being included in the infobox; its a non-free image that has not been critically addressed in the article. The article isn't nearly comprehensive enough: The musical style section isa mess, maybe a song sample that is critically assessed will give the reader a better idea about what their music is about. Also, each section in the history section could be expanded - more should be included each album, including musical style and critical response. Not too sure about some of the sources: the bit about the "lost" AIC album seems iffy. Also, one of the sources is to a torrent site to download Dirt!! The discography section, with the chart positions etc, should be in the main discography article. A section about musicians (apart from Godsmack) influenced by the band is completely missing. The prose could do with a copy-edit but first comprehensiveness issues need to be addressed - Surely a band that was so influential in the alternative metal category would have been talked about a lot in the media. Tommy Stardust (talk) 17:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. A number of issues (I've provided the relevant criteria for each objection):
- Lead doesn't summarise all aspects of the article. For example, there's no information on the band's members or musical style. (2a)
- Not everyone knows who the RIAA are, so expand the acronym and link to the appropriate article. You may not even need to mention the organisation in the first place. (2)
- The first paragraph of the "Styles and influences" section features quite a few grammatical errors. One example is "such as; Godsmack, and Staind", where a colon should be used in place of a semi-colon. To add to that, the second and third paragraphs are virtually all quotes. In short, the prose just isn't engaging in this section. (1)
- Please let me know when you've addressed these issues, and I'll be happy to rereview. CloudNine (talk) 19:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think I will close this FAC (once I find out how). I didn't really see how much I still needed, I thought since the Godsmack FAC is going so well that this would be good, but I kind of sliped thinking these guys have twice the history of Smack. I am going to add to the article and then try this again.
Thank you,
Skeeker [Talk] 05:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Skeeker, if you would like to withdraw the FAC, just say so here or leave a note on my talk page, and I will archive it correctly. Please be sure to see WP:FAC/ar and wait for the bot to update the article talk page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:58, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there any way this could be put on hold? I am currently working on it by section in my sandbox. If anyone would like to coach me on my talkpage that would be awesome.
Thank you,
Skeeker [Talk] 02:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- With consensus so far indicating the article isn't FA ready, a new nomination when it is ready would be more practical. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there any way this could be put on hold? I am currently working on it by section in my sandbox. If anyone would like to coach me on my talkpage that would be awesome.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.