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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy Keep‎. I"m withdrawing this on the grounds that there has been sustained coverage of the individual after they were sentenced. (non-admin closure) TarnishedPath^talk 10:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammed Bouyeri

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This is a WP:BLP1E. TarnishedPath^talk 07:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Terrorism, Islam, Judaism, Morocco, and Europe. TarnishedPath^talk 07:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. We would either have to merge all of this to Van Gogh's article, where it would be massively undue weight, or create an article on the murder. We do not have this article on the murder; personally I think it makes more sense to structure this as an article on Bouyeri given what the sources focus on (Islamist radicalization). He's of much of a BLP1E as Mark David Chapman (also a killer of a famous person). BLP1E only applies when these three factors all apply:

Reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event. (applies)
The person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with neutral point of view. In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article. (does not apply)
The event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented. John Hinckley Jr., for example, has a separate article because the single event he was associated with, the Reagan assassination attempt, was significant, and his role was both substantial and well documented (does not apply)

Only 1 of the three BLP1E factors apply. His role in the murder is very well documented, with virtually all content on it giving extensive focus to his role and his background and what lead him to the role. He has also been sentenced in the murder of a high profile famous person for quite a while so he he is not quite "low profile". The murder was one of the most notorious acts of terrorism in the country. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't complain if the outcome was a article rename and refactor. See Brenton Tarrant for for an individual who has a stronger case to have their own article but who the community decided to merge into an event article. TarnishedPath^talk 09:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In that case,

1) an event article already existed

2) the crime was more recent, which has different concerns

3) that was a new article someone had just made, not the status quo, it only briefly existed

4) the victims were not individually famous as Van Gogh was

5) the article was very bad and contained nothing the main page didn't it was just a content fork

I think the case for him having an article was actually much worse. None of the content in that article was merged (because it was a bad content fork) it was just wholesale deleted. I'm not 100% opposed to it being converted into an event article, but it would be writing a whole new article and that is an editorial decision that should not have gone to AfD because as is we have nowhere to put this information; I am entirely opposed to deleting this or merging it into Van Gogh's article. I also think, given what the sources choose to focus on, it makes more sense for now to keep it how it is, so an event article would not be my preference. To make it an event article someone would have to do the work to do that, or it will end up getting backdoor deleted and redirected to Van Gogh (as regularly happens) which will make the encyclopedia worse. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Further, here are the WP:CRIMINAL criteria:

"For perpetrators,

The victim of the crime is a renowned national or international figure, including, but not limited to, politicians or celebrities; or

The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role."

Both of these are true in Bouyeri's case. PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll withdraw this as a Speedy Keep as it is clear there has been sustained coverage after his sentencing. I'll start a discussion on the article talk to gauge if there is any appetite for an article move. TarnishedPath^talk 10:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Majlis Al-Noor

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. References are event listings. scope_creep^Talk 16:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Islam and Kerala. Shellwood (talk) 16:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilgar Ibrahimoglu

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An article with no encyclopedic value and for PR purposes only. Redivy (talk) 15:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Azerbaijan. Redivy (talk) 15:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Journalism and Islam. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 15:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Is this the same Ilgar Ibrahimoglu who was the subject of coverage about his detention in Azerbaijan? [1] [2] [3] This might contribute to notability. LizardJr8 (talk) 22:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 16:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilgar Ibrahimoglu is public person.

Accoring to the The Royal Islamic Strategic Studies Center, Jordan, Ilgar Ibrahimoglu was among the most 500 hundred influential muslims in the world.

https://sia.az/az/news/interesting/322588.html

https://themuslim500.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/TheMuslim500-2010-low.pdf 77.244.118.197 (talk) 11:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilgar Ibrahimoglu is a well-known scholar, his publications are in the famous academic journals and citated.

https://scholar.google.com/ 77.244.118.197 (talk) 12:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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