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@Beshogur about Uyghurs, I was talking about their culture, language and genetics (of course there are some mixes). They are definitely descendants of Karakhanids. They have haplogroup J2 (which is also VERY common in Karakhanid). Modern Uyghurs of Xinjiang (Eastern Karakhanid/Chagatai) also very closely related to Uzbeks (Western Karakhanid/Chagatai). But Yugurs are descendants of Ancient Uyghurs linguistically, culture, religion and genetics (yes they also have mixes. It seems they mixed with Tibetans and Chinese than Mongols). It is clear that the Yugurs are the original heirs of the Uyghur Khaganate. They also known as "Neo-Uyghurs" already. Tumen-il (talk) 12:40, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

I know about haplogroups and other stuff. However this can not be explained with language and genetics. What makes you think Uyghur Khaganate population did not have J2 haplogroup? I don't know. Do we have researchs about Qocho, etc?, probably not. Haven't seen one. Yet your argument is a WP:OR. You're keep changing the topic to Yugurs. Yes it is true that Yugur language is a descendant of Old Uyghur, but this does not mean that Yugurs are "true descendants" of Old Uyghurs. Uyghurs despite being inherited mostly from Kara-Khanids, have other groups like Tocharians, Old Uyghurs as well in their ethnogenese. If you were right all the time, there shouldn't be whole history of the Uyghur Khaganate on the page Uyghurs. Still "Uyghur" is a collective name for the peoples in Tarim Basin, I agree, but you simply changing Uyghurs -> Yugurs is simply POV pushing. If scholars call them Uyghurs, we should redirect to Uyghurs, not Yugurs. Maybe get a consensus about that. Beshogur (talk) 14:12, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

@Beshogur but we are talking about Old Uyghurs right? Yugur does also means Uyghur. And they live in Gansu, not Tarim Basin. Uyghur (Hui) means "Muslim" in chinese today (it means foreign in old times and used for Jews, Christians, Muslims in Yuan Dynasty). It's not a collective name for the people of Tarim basin. The Qocho Uyghurs lived in Dzungaria (Turfan, Beshbalik etc...), not Tarim Basin. Dzungaria (Northern/Eastern Xinjiang) was homeland to the Qocho Uyghurs and Tarim basin (Southern/Western Xinjiang) was homeland to the Eastern Karakhanids. Old Uyghurs basically migrated to Gansu, then Qocho. Descendants of Eastern Karakhanid people actually known as "Eastern Turki" (which means Eastern Karluk) but later adopted the name "Uyghur" in Xinjiang in 20th century. Also Old Uyghur haplogroup most likely Q (and O, D with mixes). Haplogroup Q was common in Xiongnu, Ashina, Ashide, Yenisei/Old Kyrgyz. It seems Old Uyghur people were descendants of Oghur (not Shaz) people. Later adopted Shaz language by Göktürks. Because Old Uyghurs claimed the epic of Oghuz Khagan, which is Hunnic (Oghur) epic. And the name "Uyghur" comes from "Oghur". And my arguments are not "WP:OR". I always linking Yugur page. Tumen-il (talk) 15:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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Dear @LouisAragon,

I'm just deleting mistakes. It doesn't matter whether there is a source or not, wrong is wrong. There is a reason Samarkand is in Uzbekistan. Is it for nothing that Samarkand is located within the borders of Uzbekistan? Who cares about the Persian equivalent of Samarkand when Samarkand isn't even neighboring Iran? Samarkand was founded by Sogdians and was historically ruled by many nations: Sogdians, Achaemenids, Greeks, Turks, Mongols, Russians and even Arabs. In addition, the Turkic domination in Samarkand did not end with the Mongol invasions. The city continued to be ruled by the Turks. Also, before the Mongol invasions, the Iranians did not rule the city, only the Turks. Even now, the city belongs to the Turkic people, the Uzbeks.

In the description of the page, the city directly tells about the ancient Persians. But who cares about the Persians when Samarkand has such a great history? Moreover, today, when Samarkand is not Iranian. Tumen-il (talk) 19:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

• "I'm just deleting mistakes. It doesn't matter whether there is a source or not, wrong is wrong"

According to user Tumen-Il? As unfortunate as it might seem, Wikipedia is written using reliable sources, not personal opinions. (WP:NOT).

You might wanna read WP:NOTHERE. If you keep this going, you'll be reported to ANI. - LouisAragon (talk) 19:47, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I know but if you read my answer fully, you will understand that it's objective, not my personal opinions. Tumen-il (talk) 19:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

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