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Hi Steve1solution! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at John Lennon that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Sundayclose (talk) 15:38, 10 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thank you Sundayclose; however, I'm not clear on the point you're making. The original text states that "Julia visited Mendips on a regular basis, and when John was 11 years old, he often visited her at 1 Blomfield Road, Liverpool, where she played him Elvis Presley records, taught him the banjo, and showed him how to play "Ain't That a Shame" by Fats Domino." My edit regarded the specific statement, "when John was 11 years old"; John was 11 years old in 1951, and while his mother may have taught him the banjo at that time (although the context suggests otherwise), she clearly did not play him any Elvis Presley records, or Fats Domino's "Ain't That a Shame", because they hadn't been recorded yet. I agree with your comment, "It's not like he visited there one time in his entire life", he, presumably, was still visiting in 1956 when Julia may well have played him the records by Elvis and Fats Domino; however, he was 16 in 1956, which is why I changed the text from "11 years old" to "teenager" i.e. it covers a longer, less specific (but physically more possible) time frame. As such, I don't think this would qualify as an original contribution requiring a citation, it's simply logic. Equally, if you prefer, simply deleting "when John was 11 years old" would have the same effect. Thank you, once again, for the technical advice though; much appreciated. Steve1solution (talk) 21:45, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
You make a good point. If we pinpoint the age to either "11 years old" or "teenager", we oversimplify the issue because John interacted with his mother before and during his teen years. We should always be directed by the sources, and part of the problem here is that I don't have access to the Spitz source. Details from that source likely would clarify things. I suggest raising the issue at Talk:John Lennon. Articles related to The Beatles have a lot of eyes on them, so someone who can look at the source might be able to help. Sundayclose (talk) 01:13, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for responding Sundayclose; however, I think we're still at cross-purposes here. The issue that my edit was concerning wasn't John's interaction with his mother, I agree with you that there is plenty of evidence to support the assertion that John interacted with his mother before and during his teenage years: no argument there. My issue relates to John's interaction with these specific records at the specific time stated i.e. anything by Elvis and/or "Ain't That a Shame" by Fats Domino in the year that John was 11 (1951). I take it that the year of release of Fats Domino's "Ain't That a Shame", or the year of Elvis's debut is not in dispute; so, therefore, how could Julia play them to John in 1951. I agree with your comment regarding being "directed by the sources", and in this instance "the sources" clearly state that Ain't That a Shame was written in 1955, and Elvis Presley released his debut single (That's All Right) in 1954 and first album (Elvis Presley (album) in 1956 (the references are listed on the respective Wikipedia pages); so, unless Julia was a time-traveller, it is simply impossible that she played these specific records to John when he was 11. It's a small point and, that apart, I am in complete agreement with you, but I suggest that such an obvious error should be corrected. Julia played John records by EP and FD up until her death; but only after they were available. Steve1solution (talk) 17:27, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
I think we are in agreement. I agree with your recent edit. Feel free to discuss further if you think there is a need. Sundayclose (talk) 23:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Hi Steve1solution! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at John Lennon that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Sundayclose (talk) 15:38, 10 October 2020 (UTC)