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Adventure Crossing
Hello Sjb72. I see that my stab at creating an Adventure Crossing page was deleted because, among other things, it read like an advertisement. I think I can see why. And I noticed that cites to a website that has a bias towards the topic is frowned upon (which I did do, I had thought that was OK). So, the main thing I want to point out to the world is the Ax Throwing, which I did there, and is awesome. I would like to take a stab at a new, and much smaller article or "entry" for Adventure Crossing. Is that OK? I have not edited very much in wiki and this is my first new creation. I would like to get it right. Please let me know your thoughts when able. Thank you, Ben Jwvgoethe55 (talk) 01:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
- I've revisited the article, but this time looking at the references with a view to whether or not it meets the notability requirements. The problem here is that I can't find anything from reliable third party sources that would demonstrate that this place is notable. So even if you do rewrite the article with a neutral tone so it no longer reads like an advertisement, it would probably be deleted as it is not notable.
- If you can show me reliable third party sources (ideally, 3 or more), I'll have a look at restoring it. Please note that press releases do not count.
- In the meantime, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Stephen! Coming... 12:46, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hey thank you Stephen for that fast response and detailed guidance (especially the links). I think I understand. And when I get some free time I will take a shot at a shorter entry, submission with the correct neutral language and more robust citations. But I do need to read again the notability item... I think I can show that also. Much appreciated! Ben Jwvgoethe55 (talk) 16:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
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Hey you deleted my page Draft:Cl@ve and I need the text for a uni project can you please restore the draft so I can copy it or send me a copy. Thank you Milde.Tamara (talk) 16:41, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- I have emailed a copy of the text to you. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Stephen! Coming... 11:40, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Adventure Crossing
Hi Stephen. Sorry to take up your time with this message. I found time to shorten and make more crisp my Adventure Crossing entry, and, I think I resubmitted it. And then I saw your note about the content needing to be "notable." I am slightly confused on that because at nearly 300 acres, this is a massive regional project. It will rival the 6 Flags park next door (also a place I like, and they have a wiki page I also notice, so, I thought this place should have one as well). In fact, it was the njfamily.com article calling it a "mega entertainment center" that drew me to it in the first place, hence my using it as a citation. Just wanted to explain, as I really want to get this right at some point. Thank you for holding my hand on this. Cheers, Ben Jwvgoethe55 (talk) 10:48, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- I've posted my thoughts here Stephen! Coming... 11:47, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
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Please help to get the draft back online
Hey Stephen,
There was no intention of advertising when the page(Draft:Cyble) was created. All it was to do was represent an organization in the threat intelligence space for which many organizations are present, such as Anomali , Recorded Future. etc. Kindly help what needs to tweaked in order to be present in the Wikipedia space. Thank You. Rajashakher Intha 13:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajashakher (talk • contribs)
- In addition to the fact the article was written as if it was advertising copy, there was nothing in there to indicate that the company met the notability requirements. So even if it was rewritten in a more neutral tone, it would still get deleted. As such, I will not be restoring it for rewriting. If you can show me that it meets that with three references (press releases do not count), then I will consider restoring it. Stephen! Coming... 15:14, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- Does these count: Economic Times [1] Nasdaq[2] ABP [3] Bleeding Computers [4] Infosecurity magazine The Hacker News [5] Rajashakher Intha 20:34, 14 August 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajashakher (talk • contribs)
- Thank you for your response. I had a review of the references, and I don't think they will be sufficient to demonstrate notability. The Nasdaq link just shows the company exists. The Bleeding Computer reference is not enough, because (as far as I can tell), the source is not notable. The other references do appear to be notable secondary sources. However the focus of the articles is not on Cyble but on hacking. Yes, Cyble might have been the company that brought the security issue to light, but that is not sufficient to meet the notability requirement of in depth coverage from multiple notable secondary sources.
- I strongly recommend you read the Notability Requirements for Companies and Organisations. Does Cyble meet these requirements? Stephen! Coming... 11:52, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hey Stephen, Thanks for the revert, i think Cyble meets the requirement as the company has been monitoring Dark Web and had published findings that are taken up/cited by media houses access the globe so that the people or businesses can take necessary measures to be safe. If its possible please restore the draft, We will retweak the content according to the guidelines. Rajashakher Intha 12:39, 15 August 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajashakher (talk • contribs)
- That may not be sufficient for notability. Think of it this way: if a person or business is named in a number of reports for doing Activity X, they are not classed as notable (although having them included in an article about Activity X might be acceptable). Can you show me why you believe Cyble meets these requirements? Stephen! Coming... 13:33, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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Deleting a Draft Post: A Twisted Path To Renown
Hello, Stephen!
My name is Andrey Sklyarov. I am an author of the draft topic "A Twisted Path To Renown", deleted by you yesterday, 11.14.2023.
It seems like py post violated some of the Wiki rules and I'm sorry for that. I didn't do that intentionally, as I am a newbie and did that for the first time.
I am a Community manager of a small game development studio that is working on a new game which is called "A Twisted Path To Renown" and I wanted to create a Wiki page for it.
My thought were to create a page and later add some pieces of information to that. Now I know it doesn't work that way.
I will write down all the information in a complete article, will save it and then will try create the Wiki page for our game again. This page will be for the players, that need more information about the game, as it is quite complicated for non-experience user.
All I wanted is to notify you, I didn't violate the rules intentionally, and wanted to know if me (my account) and this topic are now compromised and if I can have an opportunity to create a page again.
Thank you very much and have a nice day!
Cheers!
Andrey. Grandpa Drey (talk) 17:03, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- I have reviewed the deleted page again, and I am not convinced it is a suitable article for Wikipedia. For one thing, Wikipedia is not a guide (see WP:NOTGUIDE; there are many more suitable places you could put the information, such as creating a Discord forum. Even if you were to not write the article as a guide, and keep it in a neutral tone so it doesn't read like an advert, this game is unlikely to meet the notability requirements (see WP:NOTE).
- If you still believe that the article should exist, you can appeal my decision at Deletion Review. Stephen! Coming... 08:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Stephen!
- Thank you for your answer. I believe the article about this game has a right to exist on Wiki. As there are lots of similar games on Wiki as "Escape From Tarkov", "Hunt Showdown", "The Cycle: Frontier" etc. and they exist great while people add information about them.
- I still believe that the article should exist but not in the form I posted it, as there was no information about the game itself. At that time I worte only information about the studio, so that article looked the way opposite to what I wanted.
- What would you advise me - to start the new article or to edit the information in the deleted one and send for reviewing it again? Grandpa Drey (talk) 11:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- Just because other games have articles does not mean that all similar games should have articles; see WP:OTHER. I would suggest that before you even think about rewriting the article, you need to demonstrate WHY it meets the notability requirements. Given that this is a newly released game, I have my doubts.
- Also, are you involved with this game in any manner? If so, there is a Conflict of Interest (see WP:COI, in which case it is strongly recommended that you do not write the article, even if it does meet the notability requirements. Stephen! Coming... 12:00, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hi @Sjb72, too busy to prevent the deletion of the page AcademyTech which you recently deleted, i would have rather preferred to request it be moved to draft to improve it and remove advertising materials/content on the page. I would request you please restore the page as a draft so i can work on it and improve it until it is ready to be published in the main space. Thank you Nuel Jr (talk) 13:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I just realized you deleted two pages! Could you restore them both to draft space please? Thank you for your input. Nuel Jr (talk) 13:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- For reference; AcademyTech & Austere Systems Nuel Jr (talk) 13:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have reviewed both articles, and I do not believe either of them are suitable for Wikipedia, even if you did a complete rewrite to remove all the promotional material. I did not see any references, only links to press releases, YouTube videos; nothing made either topic notable. If I were to restore them, the articles would only be speedily deleted again.
- As such, I will not be restoring them now, as it will be a waste of your time. However, I will restore them, provided you meet these conditions:
- First, explain how you will write the articles so they do not read like advertising copy.
- Second, for each article you wish me to restore, you need to show me three different references from reliable sources that demonstrate why the article meets the notability requirements.
- Finally, you declare whether or not you have any paid connection with these organisations.
- If you can meet these conditions, I will restore the articles.
- Alternatively, if you'd rather someone else review these articles for deletion, you can take them to WP:DELREV. Stephen! Coming... 14:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I believe the way to write both articles so they do not read like advertising copy is by me being neutral and removing all puffery or biased content. I do not have the write up currently as i started in my sandbox, but i doubt i took this into much note when writing the articles. I apologize for that. To amend, i will remove all that and be neutral in my perspective. Including adding these contents/links where the company Austere Ltd was mentioned https://www.casemine.com/judgement/in/665a1f5f761b2b5bb626576d & this https://indiankanoon.org/doc/47155388/. In general, what i mean is i will take a neutral tone in my write up.
- For Austere Ltd, i have https://www.thehindu.com/incoming/gurugram-admin-launches-online-encyclopaedia-on-districts-villages/article67562964.ece where the company is mentioned, the above earlier stated links, https://www.justdial.com/jdmart/Pune/Austere-Systems-Pvt-Ltd-Nigdi/020PXX20-XX20-170819133552-H2N6_BZDET/catalogue i believe. I have not really done a deep enough dive, which is why i requested they be restored as a draft and not article space. For AcademyTech, i have https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/teknoloji/cisco-advanced-services-egitimleri-artik-turkce-17815622, https://shiftdelete.net/academytechden-ccie-v40-r-s-kursu-15682, https://www.itnetwork.com.tr/360-derece-bilisim-uzmanligi-academyteche-ciscodan-inovasyon-odulu-getirdi/ among others which i believe i added in the articles late.
- No i have not been paid for either article. I am a lawyer, and i came across Austere Ltd's case and looked more into it and decided to give it an article. I should have probably included the case as well. And for AcademyTech, i also came across one of its students, Yildiz, which led me to creating a page for both. I found other companies and i was going to make more.
- Thank you Nuel Jr (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would honestly prefer if they could be restored as drafts. Not back to the main space. So i can have enough time improving them rather than being worried about speedy deletions because they are in the mainspace. Thank you. Nuel Jr (talk) 15:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response, and I apologise for not being able to respond sooner.
- Firstly, I accept that you have a better understanding of what is and is not permitted in articles. Thank you for reading up on it.
- Having said that, I still will not be restoring either article, as I still do not believe they meet the requirements for notability. Being mentioned in court cases is not enough; any company could be mentioned in one. Now, if the court case was a widely publicised one in multiple well-respected (and notable) news outlets, and the case is about the company, then notability is starting to be established.
- Similarly, being mentioned in a press release is not an example of notability, even the the press release is all about the company.
- The closest on there to showing notability (and this is down to me using Google Translate) is the innovation award AcademyTech got. I think Cisco is a notable company, and so an argument can be made that this helps demonstrate notability, but that isn't enough on its own. Have a read of the notability requirements of companies, paying close attention to this section to see why the links you provided are insufficient.
- You have a couple of options now. I am going to be away for a long weekend, so I will not be able to do any further reviewing for a little bit. So, you could see if you can find multiple secondary reliable sources and present them to me, along with you stating why they show notability. Please don't just drop the link on its own - I want to see that you have correctly interpreted why a link is demonstrating notability and isn't just mentioning the company.
- The other option is to take your appeal to Deletion Review, and have others independent of me check to see if your article(s) can be restored. Stephen! Coming... 11:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for that. Could i ask that the articles be userfied to my draft space so i can look through the content i already have and use the previous links to get more as well? Nuel Jr (talk) 12:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- As I said before, I will not be restoring them. And to be clear, this includes moving them without redirect to draftspace. Stephen! Coming... 12:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Here are the links from AcademyTech. Please note that many (if not all) of these will not qualify as suitable references.
- <Links removed>
- Sorry, I had trouble extracting the links from the other one. Stephen! Coming... 14:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- As I said before, I will not be restoring them. And to be clear, this includes moving them without redirect to draftspace. Stephen! Coming... 12:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for that. Could i ask that the articles be userfied to my draft space so i can look through the content i already have and use the previous links to get more as well? Nuel Jr (talk) 12:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would honestly prefer if they could be restored as drafts. Not back to the main space. So i can have enough time improving them rather than being worried about speedy deletions because they are in the mainspace. Thank you. Nuel Jr (talk) 15:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- For reference; AcademyTech & Austere Systems Nuel Jr (talk) 13:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nuel Jr has now been indef UPE-blocked. DMacks (talk) 06:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cheers for letting me know. I'll remove all the links now. Stephen! Coming... 05:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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