Scott Roy Atwood

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Thanks for improving that article. Everything looks good now. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Cocos Island (disambiguation)

With regards to your edit of Cocos Island (disambiguation), I assume that the island is in Florida, not in Hawaii. Is that correct? - Mike Rosoft (talk) 17:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, as the link (but not descriptive text) indicates, that was supposed to be adding an unambiguous reference to an instance of Cocos/Coconut Island in Florida. My expertise is in Hawaii, and I think I had it on my mind at the time. Thanks for catching this! 17:42, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Time zones and time offsets

Hey, Scott, welcome to Wikipedia (somewhat belatedly)! I've been here for a decade or more, so you seem like a newcomer to me. Anyway, you sound like you know what you're talking about in terms of the time zone database and the rationale behind it.

Do you know anything about the distinction between UTC time offsets and time zoness? I've been telling people that the former is how much time you add or subtract from Greenwich Mean Time to get your local time, and that the latter is a place where everyone uses the same offset. Am I fairly close, or what?

It looks like someone went through Wikipedia and methodically tried to replace time zones (like Eastern Time Zone (North America) with time offsets like UTC-05. This is misleading at best, because currently New York and (eastern) Florida are observing UTC-04 due to daylight saving time.

Can we work together on any of this stuff? --Uncle Ed (talk) 20:53, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I do know quite a bit about time zones and related topics. I have an interest in the topic both personally and professionally. I've been a subscriber, reader, and occasional contributor to the project mailing list for the tz database, and in the not to distant past, I was responsible for keeping the time zone support up-to-date at a major Internet company.

"Time zone" is a bit of a slippery concept, and what it means depends on who you are talking to and in what context, but in general, the distinction you make is generally pretty accurate.

Based on my knowledge and experience with time zones, I think the change you describe is a bad one for Wikipedia. It probably does not increase accuracy (because as you point out, in the UTC offset changes in locales that observe daylight saving time), and it probably does not increase reader comprehension, at least in North America, where time zones are universally referred to by their symbolic names, and not by UTC offsets. Can you point to some examples of these kinds of edits? Have you contacted the entity responsible for these edits, to hopefully convince him to stop making these changes, and to revert the changes he's already made? Scott Roy Atwood (talk) 21:47, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that even other web-based references associate a UTC time offset (which is a number of hours and minutes) with the time zone (a place where that offset is used). The observance of daylight saving time (especially in the industrialized West (North America & Europe) is seen as a minor variation.

It's not just one Wikipedian. A lot of contributors find the time offsets so closely associated with the time zones that they overlook the distinction:

• time offset: difference in hours and minutes from Greenwich Time or (UTC-0).
• time zone: region on the earth observing the same time offset

Significantly, time zones in North America are on daylight saving time 2/3 of the year, so to say that New York is "in" UTC-5 is doubly misleading:

1. UTC-5 is not an area but an amount of time
2. New York only observes UTC-5 during standard time (cold months); it observes UTC-4 nearly 8 months out of the year!

What we need is not one message to one person who doesn't get it, but a project page for time zones and time offsets. --Uncle Ed (talk) 14:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Another complexity is that much of the world is not accustomed to US-style time zones, as most of the world does not observe daylight saving time and most countries are not divided into multiple clock offsets.

I would be happy to contribute my knowledge and experience towards making time zones and time offsets more consistent and comprehensible in Wikipedia, but I'm not sure where to begin. I have only be an occasional contributor, dipping in to edit pages here and there where I had specific knowledge about a subject. Scott Roy Atwood (talk) 17:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

And a further complexity is that some regions which have the same UTC offset some of the time may be know by different time zone names (e.g. Mountain Standard Time in Arizona (UTC-7) and Pacific Daylight Time (UTC-7) in California) and some regions with the same time zone name (e.g. Pacific Time) may have different UTC offsets for part of the year due to differing daylight saving time rules (e.g. Mexico vs. US rules). Scott Roy Atwood (talk) 17:54, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

*Sigh* This is going to be rough: you just conflated Mountain Standard Time (which is offset from UTC by 7 hours) with a region: The Mountain Time Zone is the region, and UTC-7 is the standard offest. --Uncle Ed (talk) 21:52, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

The conflation was intentional, to highlight that Mountain Time Zone doesn't mean the same thing at all places and times within that region, due to differing daylight saving time rules. Scott Roy Atwood (talk) 22:19, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

In casual conversation, people casually conflate and freely interchange entities like Mountain Time Zone, Mountain Standard Time, Mountain Time, UTC-7, and America/Phoenix, even though each of these things is subtly different from each of the others. Scott Roy Atwood (talk) 22:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

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Disney California Adventure Food & Wine Festival

Are you still building Disney California Adventure Food & Wine Festival, or is that all of the content you have at the moment? Elisfkc (talk) 21:33, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

My intent was to build out the page, using Epcot International Food & Wine Festival as a model, relying primarily on the reliable sources I've already cited, and possibly supplementing with information from first party sources and blogs not yet cited. I don't yet have any drafts outside of main space, and I don't anticipate having time to make progress against this for the next couple of days. If you are feeling ambitious, and have the time at the moment, feel free to jump in. I'll probably makes some small contributions along the way, and if you don't get around to it in the short term, I'll take it up after the holidays. Scott Roy Atwood (talk) 21:52, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

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