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Return of the snow

Gustave Courbet - Effet de neige (1860s - realism

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Lalalalaaa Hafspajen (talk) 21:08, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

• Well, allrighjty - the section History needs some copyed. I am pondering over the way we should make a fast go over to impressionists throug a fast hitdown in Romantic Landscape painting - over redirect to Plein air... At the moment I am reading books. Hafspajen (talk) 14:38, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Any snow in the Barbizon school? Hafspajen (talk) 14:40, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Give me romantic snow picture gallery without graves. Hafspajen (talk) 20:00, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Your gallery is devoid of graves.

My original approach to the gallery above was to seek paintings that illustrated the chilling, somber yet potentially gemütlich ambiance of human environments in the grip of deep winter. At the time I was reading Mikhail Bulgakov's The White Guard, and Korovin's Moonlit Night seemed to capture the mood. (The French Impressionists with their lighter touch and brighter palette don't really fit into the format.) Sca (talk) 21:01, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, this IS an interesting subject. Never really thought about it - but it is certaily very interesting. There are clues and a red line to follow. Where is that man in the snow, beside achurch Friedrich, that was Romantic, I need him. Hafspajen (talk) 21:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

You are free do add or subtract whatever you wish from the gallery in my SBox, which would be included in the forthcoming article. The gallery above is just for my personal entertainment. I'm not sure what you're doing with the galler(ies)y below. I thought you were going to be working in the sandbox. Sca (talk) 23:19, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

I need to illustrate a little:

• Romance
• Landscape
• Snow
• And all of it.

Theses I might say are Romantic landscapes. Hafspajen (talk) 20:36, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

• Selected Romantic works
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  Dahl: Winter landscape at Vordingborg
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  Friedrich: Winter Landscape (1811)
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  Klever: Thaw on the Way
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  Klever: Winter (1876)
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  Friedrich: Cairn in Snow (1807)
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  Moras: Snowy Forest Landscape
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  Ivan Choultsé: Winter Sunset (1920s)
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  Aivazovsky: Little Russian Ox Cart

WEll, actually it is YOUR gallery that has them, Sca.

These in your original gallery selected above are like a third of them Romantic painters.

That means we have to concentrate on the Romantics a bit more.

• Selected possible usable reserve works, just to illustrate Romantic painting - 1 or 2 or 3
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  is this snow or just romance
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These are the impressionists

Monet

Signac

Gauguin

• Selected impressionists
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  Monet: The Magpie (1869)
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  Monet: Train in the Snow (1875)
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  Monet: Boulvard Saint Denis
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  Signac: Boulevard de Clichy (1886)
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  Lebacq: Snow at Bruges (1910)
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  Gauguin: Winter Landscape (1879)

Russians

Realist

• Selected Russians, Realists
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  Laurits Ring: A brief Chat (1908)
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  Laurits Ring: Winter Day in Roskilde (1929)
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  Jungblut: Evening on a Village Street
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  Jungblut: Winter Landscape (1885)
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  Anokhin: The Village (2006)
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  Kassatkin: Rival Ladies (1890)
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  Ivan Shishkin: Winter (1890)
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  Germashev: Snow (1897)
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  Nesterov: Winter in Skite (1904)
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  Ryabushkin: Winter morning (1903)
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  Wartinberg: In Deep Winter
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  Birulya: Spring is Coming (c. 1910)
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  Dvornikov: Farm with Sleigh (1900)
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  Perow: Last Tavern at City Gates (1868)
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  Müller-Kaempff: Winter, Darss Peninsula
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  Baluschek: Cold (1917)
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  Baluschek: Deep Snow (1918)

Lithuanian photos

Hi Sca, just wanted to let you know that I'm in the process of uploading the Lithuanian images at the moment. Still have a lot to go but I couldn't resist uploading the photos of St Peter And St Paul Church as they are probably the pièce de résistance of the trip. I've added them to the English article, although I'm not sure they fit very well at the moment as there isn't enough text to really accommodate the four images in the main body, but I hate adding images to a gallery because they look so small and insignificant. Anyway, the rest of my images are being added to a gallery in my sandbox. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 12:05, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Danzig

Sca- Finding both gulden and mark (notgeld) from Danzig. Much more to come...--Godot13 (talk) 00:54, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	The Barnstar of Good Humor is awarded to users who consistently lighten the mood, defuse conflicts, and make Wikipedia a better place to be. Hafspajen (talk) 23:48, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor II
	The Barnstar of Good Humor is awarded to users who consistently lighten the mood, defuse conflicts, and make Wikipedia a better place to be. Hafspajen (talk) 23:56, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Kusty

OOps, another Russian Venus - Красивая!

What do your books say about the impressionists and snow? Hafspajen (talk) 14:25, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I have just one book about the effet de neige. When I get around to it I'll post some verbiage from it in the Sbox. Sca (talk) 16:00, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Busy place the Sbox, what that that mean Красивая!Hafspajen (talk) 16:09, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Aha, scrumptious. ( Meaning extremely appetizing or delicious, attractive.. = ?) Hafspajen (talk) 16:21, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Красивая = Beauty / beautiful / "The Beauty" (pronounced, I think, krass' nee-vye' yuh). See info box with this version (which shows slightly different hues) on Commons.

There's a lot to like there. She would keep you warm on a Russian winter night. Sca (talk) 16:23, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that pink sleeping bag looks warm, I was sorting out the Winter pics into pictorial directions - styles - and so. Do you want me to move them into the box instead? Hafspajen (talk) 16:26, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Aivazovsky. Winter landscape - may we use this to?

I think it's what we would call a comforter, filled with goose down.

You can organize here for now, but I thought that's what the Sbox was for. What about your own Sbox — too full? Sca (talk) 16:30, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Re Kustodiev at right, please use whatever you feel is appropriate aesthetically and for illustrative purposes. My thought is that when you get your preferred gallery mostly finished, I'll probably make suggestions re subtractions or additions. As you indicated earlier, this is such a broad subject that we'll have to keep the number of gallery pix moderate.

I did look at that Kustodiev before, but it struck me as somehow insubstantial — too idealized. Sca (talk) 16:37, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Have you looked closely at Jungblut's Winter Landscape? There are four pairs of figures walking off into the icy distance — quite intriguing. Sca (talk) 16:41, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

No, haven't (Jungblut) I only found three figures. Four? Hafspajen (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh, was looking at the Jungblut Abendstimmung über einer Dorfstraße. There is an other one too. Hafspajen (talk) 17:49, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

This is the one I meant. Sca (talk) 18:04, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Eight people. Hafspajen (talk) 18:06, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Four pairs. Sca (talk)

Igor Grabar, Igor's paintings

I imagine you are telling me to move them, correct me if I am wrong. I think that now when he galleries are going to in between thr sectionds we can probaly use all paintings. We split them and what will not be in the section - like Romatic landscape, Realism, Russian art, Impressionism - we can put then at the end, in a gallery Hafspajen (talk) 17:52, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Sbox — IS too full, yes. Hafspajen (talk) 17:54, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Posted more edited text in Sbox. Sca (talk) 18:11, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Could you please leave only the edited version? There are to many now, i don't know what is what. Hafspajen (talk) 20:51, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

OK, draft text deleted. Sca (talk) 23:39, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

• Adolf Eberle's doggies
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  Musikalische Unterhaltung auf der Alm 1914
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  Le Chasseur et la jeune fille avec des teckels
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  Die Naturkunde-Stunde
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  The day's bag

Übergemütlich. Sca (talk) 17:16, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

UUU,

Arnold: St. Peter Lajen

The Reverend Robert Walker Skating on Duddingston Loch, better known as The Skating Minister (1790s)

File:St. Peter Lajen J. Arnold d.j. 1845.jpg UU, the refs are gone.

Depiction of snow is essentially a Northern European trait.[18] When Bruegel painted a nativity scene, The Adoration of the Magi (c. 1600), he set it in a snowy Flemish-style village. He also started a vogue for Netherlandish snow paintings. The popularity of landscapes in the Netherlands was in part a reflection of the virtual disappearance of religious painting in Holland, which had become Calvinist in religious observance, causing older religious themes to be abandoned in favor of still life, genre painting and landscape painting.

Later on, between the 1780s and 1810s, snowy subjects again become popular. The tradition of painting landscapes continued well into the 18th century, and developed into the Romantic landscape. Further, the decline of religious painting in the 18th and 19th centuries all over Europe, combined with the rise of Romanticism in the arts and literature, gave landscape painting a much greater and more prestigious place by the 19th century than it had before. [19]

What happened? Those are only empty [19] figures, nothing links to them.. in Sbox... Hafspajen (talk) 16:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Relax Hafspajen, I reverted my last edit, restoring your draft text with its references.

What apparently happened was, I edited your text in Word on my hard drive, then pasted it in the Sbox as Edited text. Word didn't pick up the refs.

Now the refs in your original text can be pasted into the edited text & all will be well. Sca (talk) 17:13, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

OOps. Can you put them back? Hafspajen (talk) 18:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

[[1]] [2] Hafspajen (talk) 22:33, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Information ... Hafspajen (talk) 23:34, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Knockin' . Sca (talk) 16:17, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Are you going to aim for Heaven on Earth ? Excellent Hafspajen (talk) 17:38, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

calling Hafspajen (talk) 23:29, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

You Russian

Salomon de Bray: Young woman (1635)

Иванов Андрей Иванович Адам и Ева с детьми под деревом 1803 - ? Hafspajen (talk) 14:38, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Ivanov Andrei Ivanovich Adam and Eve at Detmi Pod Derevom 1803. CorinneSD (talk) 16:23, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Иванов Андрей Иванович Крещение великого князя Владимира в Корсуни 1829

Подвиг молодого киевлянина при осаде Киева печенегами в 968 году

Das Kunststück, den Jungen während der Belagerung von Kiew aus Kiew ... ? ... 968

You speak German then? I have to add some captions to those pictures... in the Andrey Ivanovich Ivanov article. No English descption . Hafspajen (talk) 15:23, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

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Sca speaks German up to a point, but not fluently.

Kunststück (literally 'artistic piece') apparently can be translated in various ways, as "feat," "clever creation" — or perhaps what we would call the "crowning glory" (similar to pièce de résistance). So the German caption would translate as "The crowning glory, the Youth During the Siege of Kiev."

For the Russian captions, try Bing Sca (talk) 15:53, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

WEll, it translates into Swedish... Hafspajen (talk) 17:25, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Since you don'twant to speak Rusian today, or German - will you at least say those words in Englis but in a different way - I can't use that sentence because of the copyright.. Crops failed, winter snowfall increased and Alpine glaciers advanced down the mountainsides, swallowing pastures, eradicating communities and gouging ever deeper features in the landscape.Reword|} Come now, work a little, you too . Hafspajen (talk) 17:48, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Crop failures, heavy snowfalls and advancing glaciers that consumed Alpine pastures and villages made the era a grim one for European peasants. (Yet artists such as Bruegel found ways to portray wintry landscapes that conveyed a cozy sense of Gemütlichkeit amid the snow and ice. — ???)

Vadå cosy Gemütlichkeit amid the snow and ice? Hafspajen (talk) 18:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

In my imagination, I guess. Maybe it's the cozy-looking red-brick (Backstein) houses, or the hunters heading off to capture dinner, or the folks by the fire? Sca (talk) 18:21, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Lulululuululullu. How about the woman calendar I started once? Every day a new naked woman? Hafspajen (talk) 18:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

It's been done before. Sca (talk) 23:49, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

snögubbe - Adolf Erik Nordenskiöld

Friedrich: The Sea of Ice (1823–24)

You don't like women???? Hafspajen (talk) 00:07, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Actually dad reads the Spiegel... Welöl just let me know when you don't want new women on your page Hafspajen (talk) 13:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Can you send me a nice Swedish girl? Sca (talk) 14:27, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

UGH. Hafspajen (talk) 14:38, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Antidote to winter — the banya

HM, that was cozy. Hafspajen (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

File:La neige a Louveciennes.JPG how abot this. Hafspajen (talk) 16:15, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

The Impressionists in Winter includes many of Sisley's works, this 1878 painting among them. The commentary on this one, though is rather abstruse and not easily quotable. It focuses on a change he made in his style — faster brushwork, less detail — compared to earlier works that were more deliberate. (He needed money.)

If you want to include Sisley in the gallery, you might consider this 1874 painting of the same title, also featured in the book. It would yield better quotes. Sca (talk) 17:25, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

That one has a frame.

My, such a lot of them... Johann Christian Kröner

Hafspajen (talk) 18:25, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

This doesn't, although the colors look different. Sca (talk) 18:52, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Another blasted red link. Take a que-number. Hafspajen (talk) 18:56, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Du kannst hier was lesen. Sca (talk) 21:56, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey that looks actually great. Hafspajen (talk) 22:01, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Could be nice snaching that. By the way, I am a bit off at Russian realism. Hafspajen (talk) 22:03, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Illarion Pryanishnikov

Am I the coast guard? First you think I am a hermit crazy about women - now the coast guard. I am a simple? + complicated Landscape architect + combined artist. Hafspajen (talk) 22:31, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Get out there & look for subs, you slacker! Don't let your fondness for a certain sort of Russkis hold you back. Sca (talk) 23:55, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Moras, etc.

You like Moras? Sca (talk) 17:04, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Hm, you too? A MORAS!!! Now I got it! Looks just great! Though the Germns picyres, we can do better than that, the Wild snow pictures we have to have them, right? Hafspajen (talk) 17:44, 24 October 2014 (UTC) Wikimedia Commons has media related to Sca/sandbox II.

Wo er am liebsten ist?

Hafspajen (talk) 18:00, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

• Works of Walter Moras
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  Moras: Sledding on a Sunny Day
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  Moras: Wintry Lane
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  Moras: Fishing Village in Wintertime
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  Moras: Snowy Forest Landscape
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  Moras: Snowy Mill (c. 1900)
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Yeah, there's tons of Moras on Commons. Keep in mind we already have five of his best winter scenes, including Fishing Village, in my gallery at top of this page. I just decided to translate the short (unreferenced) German article when I found he didn't have one on English WP. Sca (talk) 18:26, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

PS: Did you notice that Moras married Ida Baluschek? I couldn't find anything to document it, but I think she was Hans Baluschek's sister. He had three sisters, two of whom died young. Sca (talk) 18:34, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

RealLy? Not daughter? Well, looks like we are drownig in red link artists nowadays. Hafspajen (talk) 18:36, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

AH; Sägemühle an einem Fluß in Norwegen!!! Hafspajen (talk) 18:58, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey, the guy is good! Hafspajen (talk) 19:06, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

File:Walter Moras - Sägemühle an einem Fluß in Norwegen.jpg. Shall I move him to his box? Sca nrII? Hafspajen (talk) 21:11, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Not one of my favorites. Sca (talk) 23:51, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Baby if we are writing an article we have to show what the guy goes for. Theses are big time good landscapes. But you don't have to have them here. You are only the Inspiration. Hafspajen (talk) 00:26, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

It is showing for me.. Hey, you don't want yo use the gallery? Hafspajen (talk) 18:02, 25 October 2014 (UTC) Maybe it has some pictures that are a replica, and could be reduced a little - to each other but the one in the article is not showing what this painter can. I was working quite a lot to put togetrher the very best of him. Hafspajen (talk) 18:18, 25 October 2014 (UTC) And the packed gallery shows up this thing much better because many of his painting are horisontal. Actually it makes you feel you are standing in a landscape. I think it is pity not to use it. Hafspajen (talk) 18:27, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Hallo, ignore me .. was saying I like this gallery. Hafspajen (talk) 21:58, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

@Hafspajen: My thinking was, we have only a very short article, so it would be inappropriate to overload it with a huge gallery — inappropriate too because Moras is a good artist but not a great one; his style is pleasant but IMO not particularly intriguing or trend-setting. Many of his works, such as Wintry Lane and Forest Stream in Autumn, have somewhat the static character of wall art one might encounter in a doctor's waiting room or a hotel.

Perhaps you see more in his style than I do — and natürlich you're free to add to the gallery or make other changes. Sca (talk) 15:43, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

2 row packed? Hafspajen (talk) 21:22, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Huh? Sca (talk)

A packed gallery with 2 row then istead of 3? Hafspajen (talk) 23:18, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Natürlich you're free to add to the gallery or make other changes. Sca (talk) 23:20, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Lovely Halloween

File:Witch burning gummy bears.jpg	Hello Sca , Hafspajen has given you some lovely Witch burning Halloween gummy bears, to wish you a Happy Halloween! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a gummy bear! Enjoy! Don't eat them all at once! Hafspajen (talk) 14:18, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

John Quidor: Headless Horseman Pursuing Ichabod Crane (1858)

Barlach: Walpurgisnacht (1923)

Here's the quintessential Halloween legend for you — though let's not forget the party on the Brocken. Sca (talk) 14:26, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Ramberg: Walpurgisnacht

Speaking of the Brocken. Sca (talk)

Witamy w Polsce

Ferdynand Ruszczyc

Ferdynand Ruszczyc

Krzyz w sniegu

Młyn zimą

I am not a seal. But I found another Cuirlionis. Hafspajen (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Where?

Ferdynand RuszczycHafspajen (talk) 13:52, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

2 a.m. in Sweden & you're still carrying on? Sca (talk) 01:16, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I know, and it was YOUR FAULT. Hafspajen (talk) 12:45, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

You keep me up searching for winter landscapers, then I found a new Lithauen-painter, and some gorgious snow. Quite exiting. Hafspajen (talk) 14:31, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

SIGH, WAS HE POLISH, LITHAUNIAN OR RUSSIAN? Hafspajen (talk) 14:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Polish. Ferdynand Ruszczyc (* 10. Dezember 1870 in Bohdanów; † 30. Oktober 1936 ebd.) war ein polnischer Maler und Grafiker des Symbolismus. Sca (talk)

So, the only thing is left to put everythinhg together and say This article ids a translation from the Polish, Belarussisan and Lth wiki. Hafspajen (talk) 15:25, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Moved text here for combined efforts. User:Hafspajen sadbox II

I already copied it into my secret locale. Sad-box?Sca (talk)

So you mean than that you intend to translate it? . Unfortunatelly I am not the person to Englicize that part, as I said to Corinne. She is also interested in this artist. Hafspajen (talk) 16:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm trying to generate the motivation for this gnarly task. Ferdy is no Čiurlionis, IMO, but I guess he is among the unknowns who ought to be known.

It's rough going. Those computer translations are awful, and there are three of them. Whatever I cobble together will require further work by the more artistically minded. Sca (talk) 18:37, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

OK. I think Corinne wants to work with it. Hafspajen (talk) 19:10, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I put a beginning in your 'sadbox II.' Sca (talk)

• [3] Is this easy enough for you? Because I am making a stubb. Hafspajen (talk) 20:53, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Würde möglich, aber später. Sca (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Cairn in Snow Nicht spääter. Hafspajen (talk) 21:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Looks OK. I added a short sentence from Ger. at end. Sca (talk)

The realistic-emotional representation of the landscape is enhanced, inter alia through a seemingly endless expanse. Hafspajen (talk) 15:15, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Are you asking me to critique this sentence? If so, I would say "is enhanced by, among other things, a seemingly...." (I don't think the Latin phrase aids comprehension here.) Sca (talk) 15:44, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Just a silly gurgel phrase... tra lalalallalala... Hafspajen (talk) 16:04, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Moras, etc.

Am I allowed to add my gallery to article? Hafspajen (talk) 17:47, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Which article? (But of course you may add whatever to any article.) Sca (talk) 22:15, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

.My exqusitely wonderfull (sadly neglected) gallery made for Walter Moras... Hafspajen (talk) 14:39, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, you're free to do whatever. I'm just another user — I don't have a proprietary interest in Moras and won't contest any changes you make. I still think he's not one of the greats, and thus doesn't merit dozens of examples, but you're welcome to your opinion and, being more visually oriented, probably would like to add some. Go ahead. (I included Moras paintings from Norway, Holland and Italy because those places are mentioned in the short text.)

The only articles I feel a sense of ownership about are Baluschek and to some extent Čiurlionis (though in both cases we collaborated). If you or someone else started making wholesale changes in those entries I probably would contest them. Sca (talk) 15:38, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

But I am not change any of them, they are fine. Hafspajen (talk) 19:01, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Why not =OH; what a wonderfull idea, I appreciate the work you put into that one. or something like that. Hafspajen (talk) 12:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Ich bin verwirrt. Is this your suggestion as to what I should have said?

Please, Hafs, if you want to add your gallery to Moras, it's in my last archive above. By all means, go ahead and do it.

Friends don't always have to agree about everything; that's not intellectual honesty. I've explained my (unschooled) view of Moras repeatedly, but I don't insist on prevailing. I've already expressed carte blanche to you to make whatever changes you like. Your opinion is widely respected by your WP colleagues, including me. Just do it. Sca (talk) 13:49, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, and no hard feelings. Hafspajen (talk) 14:16, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Got tired by that guy? Hafspajen (talk) 16:41, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

His repertoire was limited. Sca (talk) 17:56, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Winter article

How is that winter article? It is soon seasonal.Hafspajen (talk) 16:10, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

What winter article? Is it possible you've forgotten my repeated explanations as to why I am NOT writing a winter article? Check your archive, please. Sca (talk) 16:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, I brought that up cordially so we can go on with that, but if you don't - we leave it as it is, sorry to bother you. Hafspajen (talk) 19:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

But Haffy! I simply don't understand why you would bring it up again. In the last couple months we had exchanges in which I explained three or four times, in no uncertain terms, why I'm not in a position to write about this aspect of art history.

I did what I could, supplying quotes from Impressionists in Winter, which tome I went to the trouble of dragging home from the library and actually reading. Plus, I translated the short Moras article, and after you expanded his gallery I translated the missing captions. That's all I can do in this area. You needn't be miffed that I found your latest inquiry, er, surprising. It's not about being cordial. Given the history, it didn't make sense.

Now he's out of his misery.

I enjoyed putting the gallery above together, and I still enjoy slide-showing through it. Apparently that's the end of the story, for the time being anyway. Let's not beat a dead horse. Sca (talk) 21:04, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Nobody is dead, except the people in their coffins. I never give up on anything. Hafspajen (talk) 21:07, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, may be that too. I want to go on, but if you forbid me ... Hafspajen (talk) 22:04, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

As I said months ago, if you want to write a winter-painting article to go with the gallery, I'll edit it. That's what the quotes were for. Sca (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Might be getting on it - I just felt it was weird writing on snow in the middle of the summer. Hafspajen (talk) 15:07, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Try writing on a computer. Sca (talk)

What would be the ref problem, tell me about it, I was spending time checking Madonna refs, can't find it. Hafspajen (talk) 16:24, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh, OK. Hafspajen (talk) 17:31, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I got it NOW!! Hafspajen (talk) 05:26, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Choultsé, holidays

Baluschek: Christmas tree sale

Ivan Fedorovich Choultsé - did you know he was called Shultze? You have talent n finding German people. Even if they were Russian. Hafspajen (talk) 23:26, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

I wondered about that name — it certainly didn't look Russian. The spelling seems to be frenchified (french-fried?) German. There were lots of influential Russians of ethnic German descent, many of them Baltic Germans. (Not to mention Catherine the Great.) Sca (talk) 23:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Impressionists in Winter. Hafspajen (talk) 00:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC) — ??

Hoover: Christmas Eve (1880)

• Opps, looks like some quotation from the sandbox got into the article. Is this the book you have? [4][5][6] That was the mystical Moffett nobody understood where it was from. Was not our sources but the quotations. Hafspajen (talk) 01:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

• From here: User:Sca/sandbox#Selected quotations re Monet. made its way into the article somehow, we had that article in three different sandboxes, and here it was User:Sca/sandbox#Selected quotations re Monet. It does say to: (Except for the material in parentheses, these are all direct quoets.). It just got into the article somehow. Removed now. Hafspajen (talk) 01:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

It's the book I HAD (from library), and it's referenced thus with the first Monet quote:

Impressionists in Winter: Effets de Neige, by Charles Moffat, Eliza Rathbone, Katherine Rothkopf and Joel Isaacson, p. 25, 1998, Philip Wilson Publishers Ltd., ISBN 0-85667-495-8

Sca (talk) 14:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Seasonal Greets!

Viggo Johansen: Glade jul (1891)

	Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015 !!!
	Hello Sca, May you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this Christmas and holiday season. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New year 2015. Happy editing, The Herald

Happy Lucia!

Happy Saint Lucia's day!

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"Good Morning" Sca:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia!
13 December is the day when WE, THE Swedes perplex the rest of the world by showing up way too early in the morning dressed in white tunics, candles in their hair, singing and bringing saffron buns and breakfast in bed to nice people. Hope you have a bright day! Hafspajen (talk) 10:09, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Snow in Western Art. Hafspajen (talk) 22:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Nadolig hapus

Martinevans123^{Santas Grotto} ... wishes you and yours:

"Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda"

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May the true spirit of Christmas bless you with warmth and peace!

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m-pie

Right. ''File:Claude Monet - The Magpie - Google Art Project.jpg' THIS , : the Tartist's largest and probably most widely known winter painting, in which he employed colored shadows. Important winter work. AND it is Winter now. Hafspajen (talk) 17:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Tartist?

Officially, not 'til Dec. 21. Sca (talk) 18:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

OK; . Hafspajen (talk) 21:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

[7] Hafspajen (talk) 16:24, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

• Sca, if one has put a lot of energy in working out balance and layout - than one cant put pictures hanging in the air that are not adjusted to the whole other layout. Hafspajen (talk) 16:31, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

• Scuse me but What are you doing? You revert me all the time. You go grumpy when I make jokes and - as you notice - you also remove pics that you don't like also from your own page. Are you tying to show some point and in that case -what? Hafspajen (talk) 16:44, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

"...all the time." — Absurd, ridiculous, Quatsch! Have you gone bonkers?

The reason I moved Express Train out of the Hans Baluschek gallery was that I stumbled across Christmas Tree Sale on Commons and liked it, but adding it to the gallery made Express a graphics widow on its own line, which didn't look good. (I spent years cropping newspaper photos and laying out pages, including pictorial pages.) The other reason was that I particularly like Express Train and see it as emblematic of Baluschek's personal background.

Hafs, I have just as much right to edit Baluschek as you do. Maybe more: Let me remind you that I translated the article and collected most of the pix. I spent many hours working on that article and consider it one of my best contributions. I appreciate your collaboration, but it doesn't give you the right to arbitrarily revert my edits. Please don't start stalking me just because you're piqued about something I put on your talk page in the past. (And please don't put any more skulls on mine, and quit pinging me every time you post something here.)

I've considered you a friend; I've learned a lot from you. Let's not let minor disagreements spoil our working relationship. Especially not now, at Christmas. Please. Sca (talk) 16:49, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

• Sure you are my friend and sure you have right to edit it. But you put that picture in a weird way in the gallery. I left you a message, but kept reverting me. I have spent many hours figuring out tha layouts in your articles you translated too. It would have been better to discuss it. And the same - I don't like ... well, I said already ... the kind of Lady of Shalott things that you put on my page. Especially since Coat nominated that one, it is the last thing I want to have on my page. Hafspajen (talk) 17:11, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

never mind, I will quit editing wikipedia anyway soon enough. It is a rotten place and full of stupid conflicts - and it is not worth the energy put into it, considering the reward that one is getting out of it, mostly just a kick in the as and harrasment and enemies and people blowing up things everywhere. Hafspajen (talk) 17:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I had no idea about Coat & Shalott. I'd never heard of the legend/story & thought you might find the pic interesting. Sorry it annoyed you.

God jul. Sca (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Sca, you put that back again for the fourth time. The way you made the layout is wrong. You make the gallery uneven, 1 picture is hanging under the other ones. It looks simply horrible. The other picture under you put that to the left and it is crashing into the references. Looks also horrible. This is no way of making a layout. And it is not enough with that - you keep reverting me - - AND you reverted me now for the fourth time. You are breaking the three-revert rule and you editwar with me. Wikipedia:Edit warring is blockable. The way you behaved now is not the way friends behave, and it is not the way anyone should behave. It is also Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. You want me to help you and do things for you but suddenly you behave like a stubbord 5 old. Hafspajen (talk) 19:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Handing out insults again?

Do what you want with it. I don't care anymore.

(And BTW, it's stubborn, not "stubbord," and 5-year-old, not "5 old.") Sca (talk) 21:48, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I can't believe it

OMG! I just saw the testy exchange between Hafspajen and Sca just above. I can't believe it. Really, guys. This is supposed to be the time of year to show love, peace and goodwill toward our fellow man. Maybe it's the stress of the holidays that caused this. Please stop squabbling and show goodwill towards each other. This on-line group of editing friends is important to me, and perhaps to others. Have a glass of Cointreau or brandy, or an Irish coffee, and relax. Be nice to each other. Apologize if need be. Between the two of you, you've created a wonderful article, and probably others before this. You have the potential to create others. You are both intelligent and you both have a wonderful sense of humor, and good taste in art. Please.... CorinneSD (talk) 22:06, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Sca, please don't let Hafs, or what I have said, upset you. If you were very upset about something, what would you like another person to say to you? Hafs is upset, that's all. Calling someone irrational is like pouring grease on a fire -- it makes them more upset. It's hurtful and counter-productive. Please consider what I said on my talk page. CorinneSD (talk) 23:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Are you upset with me now? I really hope not. CorinneSD (talk) 23:51, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

No. Sca (talk) 23:59, 20 December 2014 (UTC)