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U 552, PS

This is a belated thank you for your involvement in this dispute (The previous posts are in your achive 9); I've not been around much, and I just recently found the post 75's sock sent to you in October. So, sorry you had to get that! All the best, Xyl 54 (talk) 18:24, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, nice manners, huh? Seriously, it was no big deal and I was more than happy to help you guys out. Thanks very much for the kind note. — Satori Son 18:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

BRUNO P.DORI redux

SATORI, VASCO here,

This BRUNO P.DORI situation is getting out of hand, my friend, this guy is either sick in the head or trying to get on our nerves, either way, this is not the way i want to spend my Holidays so i'll give it a rest for now...

4 the time being, here is their new IP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/189.72.117.134) To see how disruptive he is being, here is this diff: In Damià Abella's article (another player connected in past with FC BARCELONA, BRUNO's sole obsession), in PLAYER POSITION i wrote, to compress infobox "Midfielder/defender". Well, we reverted it 3 or 4 times to "Midfielder / Defender".

How many IPs? I am counting so far almost 20, much more on the way i fear. How many revertings in, for instance, Albert Jorquera? More than the double, and counting...

Something you said in an early exchange got me thinking: you mentioned some folks can make your wiki-life miserable when being threatened and/or blocked. Maybe this is the case, and "our man" knows very much exactly what he is doing. If so, pityful, feel for him...

Take care and ty very much, VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 17:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

And another IP coming my friend, now 189.30.116.89 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/189.30.116.89) I have lost all doubts, he is doing this ON PURPOSE!!! Until some other (wiki)time, VASCO AMARAL signing off - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 18:23, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Just found another one (how many more should there be???), IP 189.31.88.57 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/189.31.88.57) - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 02:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi there SATORI, another chapter of this endless movie (see title above),

Here you have, another IP for this "contributor" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/189.73.82.107)

Seriously, what does he do (he contributes nothing to the storyline, update stats, NOTHING, he just had this idea of picking on people because of INFOBOXES) besides this endless edit war? If he does not have 20 different IP, it is getting close.

Have a great 2009, VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 18:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Incredibly, with the Sergio Busquets protected and all, they still managed to enter it (as did i afterwards) and proceed to "contribute". Little doubt in my mind, i think they are doing this to get on my case. My friend SATORI, honestly, this is getting way out of hand; if you tell me there is no chance this "person"'s actions will result in a block, i respect your decision, also stopping immediately to follow this case, this is getting EXTREMELY extreme, as I told you before, we are dealing with a mental case (no disrespect, no personal attacks, retarded people "happen" all the time, everywhere, why not at WIKIPEDIA?

Hoping to hear from you, VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 20:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Vasco. I've re-protected Sergi Busquets, blocked the latest sock IP's, and indefinitely blocked the main account. I've also implemented some short term range blocks, but I don't want to block half of Brazil, so the ranges are pretty narrow.

I'm not sure what else you want me to do. I know this may seem extremely troublesome to you, but it's the nature of Wikipedia that trolls and vandals who have a great deal of time on their hands will make themselves a nuisance around here. We pretty much just block them, clean up their mess, and move on. If they use another account, we block that one, clean up the mess, move on again. It can be somewhat frustrating and futile at times, but it's simply the cost of running "The free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." Just keep up the good work and try not to let it get to you. Thanks for everything. — Satori Son 21:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Apologies (if needed)

My fellow SATORI (first things first: THANKS FOR EVERYTHING),

I apologize if i sounded a bit rude...well, not rude, but a bit like "if you don't take actions i will stop helping", but this is seriously getting to me (as you hoped it wouldn't). All in all, you are right, you can't block "good people" in account of others' disruption, it is 100% true.

Keep up the good work yourself. Don't know if it's any use to report this but, AFTER you sent me your message, found ANOTHER IP to this "person": (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/189.30.98.143)

I'll wiki-see you, VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 23:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

And another, now in Antonio Longás: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/189.30.91.190) - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 23:53, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

• Also noticed this remark, my man: You said in your last reply "I'm not sure what else you want me to do.". I did not want to sound hasty or intrusive or anything. I simply wanted (boy, you don't know how much) to get this individual blocked, but i know that is 99,999999999999999999999% impossible (i mean it is impossible to prevent him from editing, as with PEP/PARARUBBAS), and that there are limits to what can be done. Oh well, what are we going to do about it?

Cheers, happy 2009 (do not say i wish the same to BRUNO P.DORI), VASCO AMARAL, PORTUGAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 02:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

No apologies necessary whatsoever. I was just trying to help you keep things in perspective. I've been an admin here for over a year now, and I've dealt with this kind of situation many times. Sometimes it works out in the end, sometimes it doesn't, but just concentrate on doing those things you enjoy here.

To be honest, Wikipedia is going through an odd phase right now. Most of my friends I made early on here have grown disillusioned and dropped out, and many long-time admins have angrily abandoned the project. I've found the only way I enjoy this hobby anymore is to not take things too seriously - and avoid as much drama as I can.

I hope you find your own way to have fun around here without the trolls, vandals, red tape, and obnoxious jerks getting you down. Have a great New Year! — Satori Son 15:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

RED ALERT!

SATORI, this is an emergency!!!

PEP10 aka PARARUBBAS is back, under the IP 92.7.50.14 (talk · contribs).

In Gustavo Manduca's article he removed LINKS, REFS and so on. I apologize for leaving a very bad edit summary in my reversions, it's just i thought this individual was banned forever...If admins at WIKIPEDIA choose to ban me instead, i'm prepared to take the blame...

Ty in advance, VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 04:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I've issues a short block on that IP for block evasion. Technically, they're not yet "site banned", just indefinitely blocked. It's a subtle but important difference.

Thanks for the clean up, but please, please keep your edit summaries polite and civil. We absolutely have to take the high road when it comes to dealing with this kind of editor. — Satori Son 17:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

is-phone entry on Wikipedia

Hi

In 2007, you deleted the entry about the is-phone softphone.

is-phone is the only fully integrated softphone for IBM Unified Communications platforms, is included within the official IBM catalogue, certified for compatibility with IP PBXs from e.g. 3Com, Avaya, Nortel and Siemens and is IBM ready certified.

I therefore created a new entry "is-phone" with additional links to external sources (IBM).

Unfortunately I have set the title of the new entry to "is-phone" instead of is-phone (the entry you deleted). Therefore I kindly ask you to check the new entry if appropriate and to change the title into is-phone (without "").

You can reach me by email on chris.swiss@gmail.com.

Looking forward to your reply and wish you a great start into 2009 :-)

PS: is-phone is in competition with Counterpath's X-Lite softphone. X-Lite is integrated into Wikipedia, therefore it would be great to publish also is-phone as another softphone solution.

Thx & bye Chris Chrisswiss (talk) 11:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that article cannot be recreated because of the community consensus reached at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Is-phone Although I started that discussion, I did not actually delete the article, nor do I have the authority to unilaterally restore it.

If you think the subject now meets our requirements for sufficient notability, please file a request at Wikipedia:Deletion review. — Satori Son 17:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx a lot for your fast reply, Satori. I will check the resources you mentioned. Bye - Chris Chrisswiss (talk) 22:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

New kid on the block

Hi there SATORI, VASCO here,

Hope all's fine by you, happy 2009. Check out this guy: user 85.81.1.38 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/85.81.1.38) He writes no summaries whatsoever, and has the bad custom of removing details in birthplaces (i.e. born in Barcelona, Catalonia, he "steps in" and removes Catalonia, among other stuff in articles just because).

Just a quick tip, cheers,

VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 23:45, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

• No problem here whatsoever, i most probably overreacted: I sent him a message in SPANISH (most likely his language because of his edits) and, although he did not respond, he immediately collaborated in this article.

My apologies (to them and you), VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 21:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

RED ALERT part 2

SATORI, VASCO here,

Found another 4 IP for PEP10 aka PARARUBBAS: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.6.202.44) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.3.180.254) and (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/82.154.136.129) and (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/82.155.99.187) although not 100% about the last two, the first are definitely theirs. This time, i was "polite as polite could be" in edit summaries...

I will also report this to WP/ANI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#PEP10_aka_PARARUBBAS_.28anonymous_disruptive_editing.29). From Portugal, take care,

VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 20:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

• And found another (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.4.7.90) operating as seen here (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cust%C3%B3dio&diff=prev&oldid=260689539).

So far, after my WP/ANI report, no answer, and the next three "cases" have all been addressed. Feeling so very much alone in this...If i am bothering you by any chance (although you have always helped me greatly i must add), just say the word and i'll stop it!!

Attentively - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 21:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

• AND ANOTHER (!!!) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.1.74.116)

Another thing i noticed is that he keeps inserting mambo-jambo in his edits (other than removing other people's work), which consists in saying: "after some great performances, this or that player attracted interest from this or that team", just to make his "contributions" look brighter. Oh well, let's see who gets tired first, i am definitely reaching my limit...

Cheers, VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 03:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

A friendly question

SATORI, my friend,

I will probably make you now the most important question ever by me asked, because in your answer lies the majority of my fears and doubts about disruptive edit(or)s being (or not) assuaged.

Given that most people have one computer (some two or three), how is it possible to constantly change (or not constantly, but the mere fact of doing it just once) the IP address? I am not very proficient in technologies and its proceedings, so i would like to now (in a nutshell) how is it done.

Thanks a million in advance, VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 21:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Send me an email and I'll fill you in. — Satori Son 22:53, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

SATORI, VASCO here,

would very much like to follow your suggestion, but cannot find how and/or where to click and proceed. VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 00:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

On the other hand, still no response from WP/ANI, as i hoped it would be. My report this time was complete, provided with DIFFS and stuff, i addressed people politely, and...NO CHANCE!! Oh well... VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 00:58, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

You can find all the info at Wikipedia:E-mailing users, but here's the gist of it:

You have to log in under a username, then go to "my preferences" and enter a valid email address. There's a confirmation process in which you'll receive a test email with a hyperlink to validate your email address.

After that, visit "my preferences" again and, near the bottom, check the box for "Enable e-mail from other users". Click the "Save" box at the very bottom, and you will be able to send me emails and vice versa. Thanks. — Satori Son 16:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Meetup

I don't think you linked to the right page in the message you left for me. The link goes to discussion of a previous meetup. For the record, I may have a problem with coming to Washington in February. The week of March 16-20 is much better for me. --Jnelson09 (talk) 20:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

The planning discussions for "DC Meetup 6" are being held at the previous "DC Meetup 5" page. I'm sure Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 6 will be created soon, but for now it's still at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/DC 5#Another date?. — Satori Son 21:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Two reverts in quite a few months of editing is not a LARGE NUMBER of REVERTS.

Please be more reasonable: Two reverts in quite a few months of editing is not a LARGE NUMBER of REVERTS.

I am not in an edit war. I know how to replace statements without reverting. It is very simple.

For your information I will never revert on Wikipedia again because it is not required in the least mainly to avoid your type of comments.

You say nothing about the personal attacks by these two editors insulting my intelligence by stating that references to Milton Friedman and other reliable sources are "stuff" and "trivia".

I wish to add to Wikipedia. I do not NEED TO add anything to Wikipedia. PennySeven (talk) 19:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you would do better by advising editors who simply remove reliably referenced items that have been on the article page for some time WITHOUT discussing the removal on the talk page first.

They removed old well-referenced items. You said nothing to them about that.

I reverted their undiscussed removals of long standing well-referenced items.

Then you give ME a warning about discussing the items.

No warning to them to discuss long standing well-reference items before they remove it.

Something is obviously wrong here. PennySeven (talk) 20:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

You have been warned: Continuing to edit war will result in you account being blocked. — Satori Son 20:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you agree that discussing an item on the talk page as we are doing now, is not an edit war? I would appreciate a direct yes or no answer, thank you. PennySeven (talk) 20:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

With respect, you are completely missing the point. Engaging in an edit war in the midst of an ongoing discussion is still edit warring. The two are not preclusive.

You seem to have taken this very personally. Please don't. I was required to give you a very specifically worded warning before blocking your account for edit warring, and I did so. If you do not edit war in the future on Inflation or any other article, you will have no problems whatsoever from me. Have a nice day and good luck resolving your dispute. — Satori Son 21:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Someone is back!!

Hi there SATORI, was planning to only write to you in a few days, but this is urgent!!

PEP10 aka PARARUBBAS has new account, now as PASD08 ("contributions" here and example here).

Will immediately report this to WP:ANI, although I know what their reaction will be. My conscience tells me to do so. Take care, VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 21:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll chime in at WP:ANI#Likely sock of indef blocked user when I get a chance today. — Satori Son 15:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

BRUNO P.DORI once again

A quick note on this user and his MANY MANY MANY IP:

One week after you reverted the protection on Antonio Longás, found this IP that most certainly belongs to them (according to the contribution pattern http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/189.30.116.31)

However, i must say that, at least in LONGAS' "piece", their first edit was not disruptive, not at all. Let's keep it that way, shall we BRUNO? (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Long%C3%A1s&diff=prev&oldid=262334550)

TY very much again and in advance, VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 23:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

And another (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/189.30.64.254) WOW! Definitely returned more tamed. I know it's them, due to patterns of the following: Only writes in INFOBOXES (only!), almost exclusively edits in players somehow connected with FC Barcelona and writes ZERO edit summaries. However, these last two IP have not showed any disruptions whatsoever, redundancies in INFOBOXES and stuff that still may exist were prior to my reports so it's working fine so far. Funny how it took them so long to understand they were being annoying...

However, am almost 100% sure (and i dont know the guy) PARARUBBAS aka whatever will not "see the light", oh well, 1 is better than 2 in this case...

Cheers (as always and ever), VASCO AMARAL - 217.129.67.28 (talk) 04:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, those edits popped up on my watchlist, and you're absolutely right: While they are almost definitely a new IP sock of Bruno P. Dori (block log), there has been absolutely no disruptive editing whatsoever. I haven't issued any new blocks for evasion, but if they return to their old ways I certainly will. Thanks for staying on top of things. — Satori Son 15:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Nope i was wrong, they came back as disruptive as ever, now as IP 189.30.111.22 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/189.30.111.22)

A "shiny" example, Antonio Longás, one day after you lifted the protection. BRUNO P.DORI came and writes in "current club" one name, in last club in INFOBOX, which is also current, another completely different name (seen here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Long%C3%A1s&diff=262562677&oldid=262344627)

So sorry to have praised them, so sorry... Cheers and thanks, VASCO - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 18:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that this morning and already blocked that account. Oh well, at least no one can say we didn't give them a second chance. Or is that the fifth or sixth chance?

Also, I did receive your last email. Excellent question about ANI etiquette, and I'll reply when I get a chance tomorrow. Things are absolutely crazy at work again, but I'm on-Wiki for at least a little each day during breaks. — Satori Son 20:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

E-Mails

Hi there SATORI, "nothing but a good vasco" here,

First of all, thanks for your reply regarding BRUNO P.DORI and your help in composing my message to WP/ANI, although, as you can very well confirm, no reply has been posted whatsoever, almost a week has gone by...

That aside, i address the title subject of this message: Have you sent me any mails yet? Just curious, because i followed the steps you told me to and, after being told i was "ready to go", sent you one. If you have replied, i cannot find anything, either in my personal mail account or logging in and checking "my preferences". What am i doing wrong?

Many thanks in advance, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 17:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I did reply, but not very long ago. I'll resend just in case. — Satori Son 17:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

PennySeven

Satori, I have dealt with PennySeven aka Mr. Nicolaas Smith, Herbou, etc., etc. The second-most disruptive editor I have seen apart from Karmaisking. I can provide more detailed tracks and edit histories if needed. --Gregalton (talk) 14:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Based on his/her last post, it appears as though a checkuser request, at minimum, would be prudent. Do you have info the necessary to file one? If so, I will assist and monitor. — Satori Son 14:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I didn't see the last post, but will dig up my info. This may take a while given that I am travelling and the age of some of these (which may no longer work for checkuser). I may prefer to email you at some point rather than put some potentially sensitive info out on public pages.--Gregalton (talk) 01:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I feel your pain. I have so little time to devote to this hobby anymore, and much too much of it is spent on this kind of stuff. Why can't people just play nice?

Anyway, I'm happy to provide any help I can and will look for your email. — Satori Son 14:02, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Block of No, obviously not

I'm a little puzzled by your block of this user. He was a single purpose sockpuppet created by a high profile user used to make a point in a discussion, but that's no reason to block him. Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point means just that – do not disrupt wikipedia to make a point, which he didn't. He made a valid point in a very effective way. He didn't disrupt wikipedia at all. There's no point unblocking him now, but I am a little worried by your intepretation of "do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point", and I ask you not to do anything like this again.--Patton^t/c 23:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I disagree with your somewhat lackadaisical interpretation of WP:SOCK and WP:POINT, and I really don't know what the editor being "high profile" has to do with anything at all. But, in retrospect, a block was clearly not necessary to prevent further disruption. I did make a mistake, and I apologize for the hastiness. — Satori Son 00:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

No, you made no mistake. I was about to do it myself when you beat me to it. Clearly, it was another admin trying to be funny and pointy at the same time. No harm in blocking said account when it clearly had no intention of ever contributing meaningfully to the 'pedia. Hiberniantears (talk) 04:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. And not to be wishy-washy, but I can now see both sides of the issue. The "puppetmaster" went a tad too far trying to make a point, but blocking the account could be seen as a harsh overreaction by some. In short, not a bad block, but not a needed one either. I sincerely hope no hard feelings on anyone's part (I honestly don't know who it was). — Satori Son 13:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok great thanks, just was worreid by block. Of course it was never gonna edit so could be blocked but block wasn't needed. Thanks anyway.--Patton^t/c 16:29, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Help please!!

No SATORI, this time it's no disruptive editors and/or vandals,

I am feeling very frustrated (other than with the WP/ANI silence, but that's another matter) with the at the way another admin (and this is where your help may come in very handy, as you are one as well) has been treating me...

The admin/user/person in question is KRAKATOA KATIE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:KrakatoaKatie). Once upon a time, mere weeks after i started editing under this account, i stumbled upon some "contributions" of who else? PARARUBBAS. As you know very well, because you have already tipped me about this on occasion, i am not very civil to downright vandals and sometimes go way "over the hill".

Minutes after i "had my say" with the vandal i received a message in which i was called hysterical among other things (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NothingButAGoodNothing&diff=prev&oldid=232433547). Ever since i tried to reach KATIE, i have been treated in very poor fashion, with no answers whatsoever and removing of mine (friendly and polite, also acknowledging i do lose my temper with "bad people") as well. However, i see the titles she proceeded to give when removing such messages, and they were not very pleasant, no siree.

What is my request? Since you have been dealing with me for so long (the most, alongside BANRAY) and now my ways and intentions, could you please try and reach and leave a word, as i have sworn (to myself and Mrs.Katie) i would NEVER bother (since it's how she feels) her again.

If not, i understand, if yes, i would (again) greatly appreciate it, specially since you have such a hectic schedule and "no time to waste" at WIKIPEDIA.

Sincerely, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 02:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I really wished you had waited to talk to me before you posted your last comment to her. It's possible your first comment was removed accidentally with the blatant trolling of the other post, or maybe she mistakenly believed you were being a smart ass (like "Ha, Ha. I was right after all."). I don't know, but your reply back to her was a probably a little harsh.

I know your heart is in the right place because I've observed your edits over a long period of time. But even I have had to ask you to tone down the edit summaries, which is exactly what she was asking you to do originally. And to many here, your frequent use of all caps and superfluous punctuation can be off-putting. It's a cultural thing, really. Wikipedia has tried to develop a culture of exceedingly calm and civil discourse. You're obviously a passionate guy who feels strongly about your articles of interest. Passion is good, but passionate dialogue is sometimes not.

I don't want to stir things up, but I will post a nice note just letting her know we are talking about it here. Otherwise, I would move on and not worry about it at all. I'm quite sure she has nothing against you personally. — Satori Son 14:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

As always, my friend, your speech is fair and enlighting, that is the absolute truth, man. Thanks a million for your understanding and cooperation. I can only promise to try and be as civil as i can in the future. Kind regards, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 15:31, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Consensus Building

As a user who responded to the straw poll regarding non-free images in sports, your further input is requested with regards to the Straw poll summary and proposed guidelines on image use — BQZip01 — ^talk 00:44, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

PEP10/PARARUBBAS/PASD08

Hi there SATORI SON, VASCO here,

It's Saturday, so VANDAL PASD08 has a "ticket to ride", that is to say he is back with his vandalizing. Mommy let him use the computer after he did homework...

Example (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raul_Meireles&diff=263163234&oldid=262433421, i upgraded article with 3 REFS he dispatched them, but only its REFLIST template, meaning they are still there, only not visible, but he is not to do that i believe. Yet he was merciful enough and allowed us to keep EXTERNAL LINK; another ex. here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aly_Cissokho&diff=263153809&oldid=262040470, not being magnanimous this time, dispatching both LINKS and REFS), list of contributions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pasd08), i have reverted some of his "work".

My suggestion would be, even tough you told me that stuff about people making other's wiki-life miserable when being pressed (but is he not doing that already?): ban them, like you did with PARA and PEP, that way they will need to go through the trouble of opening a new account, like we go through the trouble of reinstating stuff unduly removed.

Take care, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 18:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• By the way, how do i create (you mentioned it some other time because of BRUNO P.DORI) a watchlist? I will be onto PEP's case like a dog on bone, this i promise you...Thanks again, VASCO - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 19:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• On a related note: in a previous tip, you urged me to be civil even with vandals, and i promise to stop insulting from now on (even the ones who SURELY deserve it, because Wikipedia is not mine, it's a common space, so if something says "NO PERSONAL ATTACKS", i'll have to abide by it, however it may be hard to do). However, now solely concentrating on PARARUBBAS/PEP/PASD's case, there is a thing i would like to address to you: I guess i will have to stop using sarcasm in my edit summaries (because when i say "PLEASE" i am not really being polite at all). As i have shared with you, i think is English is appalling and is idea of a good article's display is 100% the same, but we cannot be sure as whether he reads his talkpage messages and/or edit summaries.

For instance, take a look at this: In Raul Meireles, i improved the piece with 3 new REFERENCES, leaving the following note (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raul_Meireles&diff=prev&oldid=262433188, no insults but a good spoonful of sarcasm, because there's no use in saying "please don't remove this" to a person like this, mean it, and hope they will not remove it). Keeping in mind what i said above him reading or not edit stories and messages, look what he did in MEIRELES' article two edits later (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raul_Meireles&diff=next&oldid=262433421)

It can be a coincidence, but also not, so i also promise NOW to stop using sarcasm (and/or insults), sticking to the customary "Removed X edits by Y person, etc, etc,", you can have my honest word.

Nothing more for the moment, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 21:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• Proceeded (not quite sure why, given the feedback received and the disruption continued) to leave a message on PASD08's page, in PORTUGUESE. Rest assured my friend, i have not insulted him, only asked (silly me) why does he continue doing this. Kind regards, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 22:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• Just thought of this now: please stay with me on this "train of thought", always bearing in mind the Raul Meireles example provided above.

Our friend PEP proceeded in the following fashion: he clicked "edit this page" and the customary page appears, and he "scrolled down". As obligatory, REFERENCES (with respective link, title and so on), appear before REFLIST template and, usually, the VANDAL (that is what he is) removed both REFS and TEMPLATE. However, since i feel he is getting more and more acquainted to WIKI-processes, he now found out all he has to do is remove the template and REFS will not display that way.

On a related note, although we will never know, i have got the "gut feeling" this guy reads his messages (even though his grasp of English is as i earlier said appalling (cannot even write a simple word like "where" right ("WERE") i, as you very well now, have sent him, including the one today, several messages in PORTUGUESE, and promise to you i have never insulted him there, although i did several times in edit summaries, which is another thing we will never know he reads or not), which leads me to the following conclusion: This guy is a dangerous (wiki speaking of course) VANDAL of the highest caliber (BRUNO P.DORI at least does not glue sentences and remove stuff, he is just an INFOBOX vandal; by the way, before i started this message, checked and he has already reverted LONGAS and JORQUERA's article AGAIN!, so they are not much better than PARARUBBAS, i am afraid), and i strongly feel a long-range block would be more than justified, but that is just an humble opinion (in case you are a bit confused, i mean long-range block on PARARUBBAS, not BRUNO P.DORI, due to geographic and also disruption-like reasons, the latter is in no way as appallingly disruptive as the former).

By the way, just to refresh your memory my friend (i hope your schedule is less hectic these days), can you still fill me in on WP/ANI etiquette? By the way, 2 weeks have passed and still not a single comment on my reports of a bona fide vandal like PEP/PARA/PASD (well at least no reprimands either).

Have a nice week, , sorry 4 the excessive babbling, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 03:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

BRUNO P.DORI

More bad news, SATORI:

It's REALLY a pity you can't block half of BRAZIL ;) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/189.7.181.116)

Example here (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Long%C3%A1s&diff=prev&oldid=263222922)

Cheers, keep it up, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 21:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• By the way, this raises a reasonable doubt: How can an anonymous address edit in a protected article (Albert Jorquera)? Thanks again, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 22:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Deflation is a contraction in the volume of money and credit relative to available goods and services.

I strongly oppose the removal of items from article without discussing it first. If I revert the item removed without discussing it, then I will be blocked for "edit warring" and for being a "disruptive editor." The person who removed the item does not get blocked for "edit warring." The person removing the statement without discussing it first, is not labelled a "disruptive editor".

So, let´s discuss this matter. I think the statement: "Deflation is a contraction in the volume of money and credit relative to available goods and services." should stay in the lead since it accurately defines what deflation is.

Discussion regarding all the above matters invited.

PennySeven (talk) 17:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I am not he original author of the statement.

PennySeven (talk) 17:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

BRUNO P.DORI

Hi there ANTON, VASCO here,

Here's another anonymous IP for vandal BRUNO P.DORI, about the 30th: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/189.73.104.35), he keeps enlarging INFOBOX, writing ZERO summaries and so on.

As far as PEP/PARARUBBAS, situation has been reported also to WikiProject Football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Disruptive_football_editor), as i have joined "the force", but the response was the same as at WP/ANI: ZERO (!!!), while cases presented after my report are addressed...I GIVE UP with vandals, you told me once there was a possibility of a long-range block, but that would make "good" people pay for the "bad". I am more and more convinced that is the only solution in cases like this two. Am feeling more and more like sometimes i am the vandal, not these two despicable excuses for wikipedians...

Good week, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 01:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

• This is absolutely preposterous! Just checked again WikiProject Football, where i also explained the PEP/PARARUBBAS case, still having received no feed back (it is a football matter right?). The worse, my friend, is this: one chap also presented a case where he spoke of a potentially disruptive editor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#User:Kaizeler), and he "got served" in about five minutes.

Since you are always fair and friendly, my question is: Sincerely, what is the difference between one report and the other (other than the contents and/or emergency itself)? All i know is this: in 99% of the cases, my reports have either been overlooked or scolded, which i could perfectly understand if i was rude or sarcastic. Could it be it is what i am conveying? I don't think so...

Bye for now, hope all's fine by you (haven't dropped by in 4,5 days), VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 23:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Banned user

65.119.181.165 (talk · contribs) (banned user Tweety21 editing from an IP), who you blocked before, is back removing block notices etc. from the IP's talk page again. Precious Roy (talk) 01:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

PARERUBBAS/PEP10/PASD08

Hi there SATORI, VASCO here (man you are in for a lot of talkpage reading when you return),

Good news, i hope: i saw that someone left a message on the vandal's page, and it's an admin, a Portuguese-speaking one also: Waldir (talk · contribs). He has been duly notified, thoroughly. Let's see what comes of this.

Cheers, hope all's fine by you, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 00:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

No content in Category:Non-article Atlanta pages

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Final version

As a contributor to the discussion regarding sports team logos, I am soliciting feedback as to the latest version of that guideline. Your support/opposition/feedback would be appreciated. — BQZip01 — ^talk 21:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

New Karmaisking socks

Could you block User:BloodOnTheirHands please (yet another KiK sock), and, if possible, semi-protect targeted articles. Thanks in advance.JQ (talk) 12:16, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks like Nja247 took care of it. Sorry I haven't been around much. Real life and all that. — Satori Son 15:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

WTF article

Ah. Excuse me for my ignorance. I will look up not censored right away. Again, sorry. --Kingbowser99 (talk) 21:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem at all. Everyone is encouraged to be bold, and the guidelines can be a little overwhelming. Have a good one! — Satori Son 15:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

The 7th DC Meetup

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you can help!

Yeah, this is random and stalkerish, but trust me when I have a reason for asking: where do you edit from? (City and country would be nice, but the country is really all I need.) You can just shoot me an email, or reply here, or via my talk. It's for a project I have to do involving Wikipedia articles and editing patterns, nothing special, but I'll let you see it when I'm finished :) --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 22:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey David. I'll shoot you an email with details. — Satori Son 13:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Greetings

Hey there SATORI, VASCO here,

After months of consulting your talkpage, i assumed you would drop out of the project one of these days, but now found that you are "back" (quotation marks because you never quit after all).

Browsing through your past archives, i also see that my last messages were unanswered, obviously i must have done something wrong. Regarding the two most "dangerous" situations, the one with BRUNINHO aka BRUNO P.DORI is solved, at least with me, it was only a matter of language (his mother tongue is, as i assumed, mine (Portuguese)); about our chap PARARUBBAS, well, check for yourself, very very sad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Pararubbas/Archive) and (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Pararubbas).

One of these days, sent a wiki-love "memo" to User:KrakatoaKatie; her response: " ". (end of her sentence)

Which leads me to: if i am being abusive to you (and i reiterate the "WELCOME BACK MAN"!!), just say it and you will receive no more messages from me. I also add that User:EdJohnston has been a great help in dealing with vandal PARARUBBAS, although he (at least he) says that long-range blocks is not to be implemented as of now, regarding this case.

Attentively, VASCO AMARAL, PORTUGAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 21:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Since I was on break for so long, everything was pretty stale after I got back, but I apologize for not replying to you regardless.

I just don't have the time I used to have to deal with the more complicated stuff anymore, so you'll have to be patient with me. I'll probably be doing pretty minor housekeeping around here for a while, but I'm glad you've found at least one other admin to help out. Have a good one. — Satori Son 14:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for the quick reply, my friend. Can't help but think i'm a bit of a wiki-diva sometimes, thinking the world revolves around my stuff. Whistle anytime you need, although i feel it will always be the opposite ;)

Best wishes, VASCO - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 16:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of article "Bucketfunk"

14:33, 2 September 2008 Satori Son (talk | contribs) deleted "Bucketfunk" ‎ (PROD, concern was "Seemingly non-notable musician. Most Ghits concern the unrelated phrase 'gut-bucket funk'.")[1]

Please undelete this article. Members of this band have gone on to perform with notable musicians in several other bands. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBlackLab (talk • contribs) 18:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

If you could please provide me with some links that show this band has been the subject of coverage by reliable sources, I will gladly restore it. Thanks. — Satori Son 21:31, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Pentipede

Hi, I saw you recently deleted Pentipede as a nonsense page. However, nonsense doesn't apply in this case. You being an administrator, I strongly suggest you (re)read WP:CSD thoroughly before deleting pages. I don't want to be rude, and to be fair, deleting vandalism as nonsense is a common mistake. But I presume you were deleting it because it obviously wasn't true (or was made up) and thus it should have been deleted as G3 (which means it shouldn't have been deleted as G1 (which doesn't include vandalism)). Hope that all comes out right. Cheers - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 21:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't be so freaking anal. You need to re-read WP:IAR. — Satori Son 21:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me? I'm not saying that the page shouldn't have been deleted (thank you for deleting it), just that you shouldn't have used the critera that you did as it doesn't apply, and in future, please use the correct one. - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 21:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Please listen carefully: I don't care. There may be a small number of us out there working hard to improve the encyclopedia who are appreciative of one of your condescending lectures on the minutiae of proper letter codes, but I am most certainly not one of them. Please find someone else to sermonize. — Satori Son 13:33, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Protection of Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace

I noticed that you protected the page for only 24 hours. The vandal you are trying to protect it from has been actively vandalizing that page with the same nonsense for over three months now and will vandalize again as soon as the protection expires. When you reverted that vandal, the page was fresh out of a one-month protection, set because of that same person. Please compare the page's edit history with its protection log to see what I mean. If I were you, I'd set protection for a minimum of six months. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 00:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Protected for six weeks. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 09:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks. — Satori Son 13:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding a misunderstanding.

It seems that someone must have reached the computer to tamper with the articles. I had nothing to do with it, but I do apologize that it occured, and it wont happen again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.20.172.108 (talk) 11:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. At some point, you should consider creating an account with a password and logging in. That way, you won’t be bothered with those pesky vandal notices that don’t apply to your edits. Have a good one! — Satori Son 13:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Theodore Kaczynski

Satori Son,

You were involved in editing Theodore Kaczynski before it was fully protected. Your thoughts and comments would be welcome on the talk page, as nothing much seems to be happening but the page is still locked. Cheers, Bigger digger (talk) 21:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Will do. — Satori Son 21:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Wiki:Zetatalk and/or Nancy Lieder

Dear Editor, Zetatalk and Nancy Lieder is most contraversial and yet is growing in world wide popularity. WHY is one directed to the inaccurate Wiki Niburu Collision page when one seeks info on these hot topics??? Why is there no Wiki Zetatalk or Wiki Nancy Lieder page, alone? Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.81.108.28 (talk) 18:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't really know what you are referring to. If you need help creating an article where there is currently only a redirect, you can request help at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Good luck. — Satori Son 20:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for keeping me from feeling like I was the lone crazy in the crowd on the AfD for George Foreman III. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:43, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem at all. I'm working on the article right this second, too. — Satori Son 14:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Good Show

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		This barnstar is hereby awarded to you, for beating me to vandalism by 3 seconds! --King ♣ Talk 20:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - must have been on a roll! — Satori Son 20:43, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

You get what you deserve!

		The Admin's Barnstar
		Let me thank you for keeping an eye on my talkpage and protecting it from vandalism. You truly deserve that barnstar! See you around! Cheers, Catgut (talk) 22:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Fun day, huh? When they say "fighting" vandalism, I know what they mean. There was even some collateral damage. Thanks for hanging in the trenches with me!

And just in case I haven't beat this metaphor to death yet, here's a survivor's badge for you. — Satori Son 13:40, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Human Rights in Los Angeles California 1985-2009.

Hi Satori Son:

I got your message, and appreciate the input you provided with the notice of proposed deletion. For me the gain from spending the time on writing my contribution, is by getting experienced editorial review. I believe that the case itself - Human Rights in Los Angeles California 1985-2009, is too important to give up. Obviously, as one who lives here, it was difficult for me to exercise the necessary detachment. Hence - the deletion notice.

I am very experienced in such procedures in other platforms (science peer review, literature publishing), and therefore, I would like to try to meet the goals set for me by the editors. I believe that in 3-4 days (less than the 7 days I am allowed) I will be able to come up with an entirely different tone article.

I believe that the introductory paragraph is already a step in that direction. I would be grateful if you could take a look just at that, and let me know if I am on the right path.

What I am asking is that when I come back with the new version, you give it a fresh look, and hopefully there would be few issues left to amend that I would be able to handle in the remaining days.

Thanks again, Jz12345678 (talk) 18:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC) Jz12345678

It looks as though the article was already deleted by another administrator under the WP:Snowball clause option (see WP:Articles for deletion/Human rights in Los Angeles County, California 1985-2009.)

I honestly appreciate your willingness to work collaboratively and seek advice. You have a great attitude, and it's obvious you are very passionate about the subject. It's just that I don't think Wikipedia is the proper forum for such an essay.

As I said before, my advice is to start a personal blog where you can espouse your views and let others know what is going on. Obviously, your contributions here are more than welcome as long as you follow WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a soapbox and WP:Neutral point of view. Thanks and good luck. — Satori Son 22:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:CANVASS#Inappropriate canvassing

Cross-posted from User talk:173.79.58.33:

"Also see WP:CANVASS#Inappropriate canvassing. This kind of behavior is not acceptable. Please stop. — Satori Son 18:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)"

Hello satori, I read the link you gave me. I dont feel I am in violation. If you feel otherwise please explain. I am asking all the arbitrators. I am not posting to them to sway them. They will each read what Ive posted, check the pages' histories, & of course speak to each person I have had trouble with. 173.79.58.33 (talk) 18:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Karen Handel

Noticed this edit from someone you appear to have some background with. From the link you left on the Handel talk page, I have a pretty good feeling they're related. [[User:Ed Wood's Wig|]] (talk) 20:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I just stumbled across all this today. The article was on my watchlist from a very minor edit I made back in January 2007. When I saw your edit pop up few hours ago, I Googled "karen+handel+ged" and found that very interesting blog entry.

I then gave some advice to RomneyGingrich12 after seeing the weird edits to his user page, but other than that I'm simply a curious passer-by. — Satori Son 20:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, this is getting more press as we speak. Posted barely 45 minutes ago and references your removal of the unsourced info as well. — Satori Son 20:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'll keep my eye on it. I don't do all that much here, but I act when i can. [[User:Ed Wood's Wig|]] (talk) 20:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Ditto. Thanks. — Satori Son 20:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

How do I delete my profile?

Yeah, some nutjob blog is trying to out my identity by saying I'm some guy named Brian Laurens. It has drawn a lot of attraction to my profile today and people tracing my IP. Can you tell me how to delete this profile, any tips on keeping it safer in the future. BTW, I am a female :) I had copied that side bar from someone and i guess over looked the gender box :)

Thanks a bunch!!!

asdf (talk) 22:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

To quickly delete your user page so that most users cannot see its history, simply place the "{{db-user}}" notice at the top. An uninvolved administrator will delete it, usually fairly quickly.

If you want the entire page history deleted so that no one can see it, not even admins, you will have to file a request at WP:Requests for oversight. Finally, you will probably want to file a username change request at WP:Changing username.

Once those three steps are complete, you should have a clean slate. — Satori Son 13:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Cashis article

Thank you for your involvement Niteshift36 (talk) 15:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that one was a mess. And exactly why WP:COI is a guideline. — Satori Son 15:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

That same editor went back and deleted everything negative from the talk page. Starting to think he doesn't get it. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I can't find those edits; can you please provide some diff links? — Satori Son 13:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Here is the diff: [2]. If you read the discussion, you'll see Rikanatti and 174.3.47.197 are the same person. Apparently that is his IP, but he forgets to log in sometimes. He denied it was him at first, but I think he just didn't realize it. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. I've left a final warning on his named account. — Satori Son 13:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Rollback request

Satori Son, are you willing to give me rollback permission? ✤ JonHarder ^talk 17:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely - done. Good to see you! — Satori Son 17:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! ✤ JonHarder ^talk 18:41, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Fictional characters with genius-level intellect

Please let the discussion continue. There was no clear consensus this time to delete. G4 is not intended to be used to cutoff a discussion. If the deletion is controversial, then speedy is never appropriate--and there were two Wikipedians in good standing arguing to keep. DGG (talk) 04:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Egads, very sorry! I was relying on Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_15#Category:Fictional_geniuses_and_Category:Fictional_evil_geniuses and didn't even see the current discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 July 7#Category:Fictional characters with genius-level intellect. I've restored the page, of course, and will try to be more careful in the future. — Satori Son 13:24, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Christian Music Hall of Fame

Hello my long lost friend! I wanted to talk to you about the edit reversal you did to the Les Beasley article citing that the removal was done because the source had been removed due to lack of notability. Just because the article is removed does not make the source any less reliable. The CMHoF is a viable and legitimate organization with notoriety. The problem that arose out of the article was that it had just been formed and had not built up a record to justify an article. But to remove the source simply because an article didnt meet wikipedia guidelines at that time for page qualifications does not make it any less important to the world, community or industry. I just went through this when someone tried to have my article about the midsouth emmys removed. It survived WP:AfD because it was a viable and notable award. I think we should reincorporate the source back into the article. Great to see you again! Canyouhearmenow 12:48, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

You claim that I removed the source "simply because an article didnt meet wikipedia guidelines at that time for page qualifications does not make it any less important to the world." I'm sorry, but that is a blatant misrepresentation of my edit summary. I removed the citation first and foremost because it does not meet our guidelines for reliable sources, which must be "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy."[3]

If you can find a reliable news source that covers Mr. Beasley's induction into the CMHF, then you may use that source for the information. Otherwise, it is not verifiable and should not be included in the article. — Satori Son 20:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

If you have a minute

Would you mind looking at this diff: [4] and see if you think I should make an issue of it? The next user that begins editing after him User:Justice4allseeker smells like a sock.....he even makes the same spelling errors. Amazingly his account started today and he dove right into this obscure article. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Disregard. Someone else reported it at AIV and they indef blocked him........of course a new account, registered 45 mins after the block, is now calling me a sockpuppet. LOL. Niteshift36 (talk) 06:01, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I took care of the Justice4allseeker (block log) obvious sockpuppet account as well. — Satori Son 13:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate it. He also created User:Avianraptor2 and plans others, according to his post. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Missed that one, but got it now. Thanks. — Satori Son 13:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Wal-Mart (disambiguation) at DR

Just letting you know that the discussion for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wal-Mart (disambiguation) (3rd nomination) has been listed for deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 July 15. You may be interested in commenting. Tatterfly (talk) 22:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Gene Ray

This person is self-identifying as the author of the Time Cube website. Either he's an inpersonator (in which case, indefblock, delete the ridiculous section from the Morganton talk page, and protect the article if necessary), or he's an infamous internet troll actively engaged in trolling here (in which case, indefblock, delete the ridiculous section from the Morganton talk page, and protect the article if necessary). He's wasting your )and others') time. I admire the AGF, but you're being trolled. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I just came to that same conclusion a few minutes ago. Since it's being discussed already at ANI, let's see what the community thinks. — Satori Son 19:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I commented on ANI a few hours ago, but was evidently not convincing enough; probably less "cute" and more "evidence" would have been a better idea. It irks me when obvious-to-me trolls aren't obvious-to-everyone-else and they get free rein to mess with us for a while, but I agree that in the Grand Scheme of Things^(TM) I need to be patient and wait another little while for more voices to chime in there. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:31, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I've also recently learned that many ANI regulars have temporarily abandoned us. I'm quite sure that fact is not lost on those who wish to cause us mischief. — Satori Son 19:38, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

LOL, I'd forgotten that. The problem of unintended consequences. I take it you feel too involved now? That's fine, please don't stick your neck out (I'd hate to suffer through WP:ANI#Satori Son abusing admin powers!!!. Anyway, it's not like he's doing 50 page moves a minute, all that really needs done is ignoring him until an uninvolved admin comes along. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Request by Bruno P. Dori

Hi there my friend SATORI, VASCO here,

Hope all's fine by you, haven't "heard" from you in a while. I have a request for you man, which i think it's fairly reasonable: As you know (i see you have intervened somewhere, just don't remember where), User:Bruninho is blocked, after a pertinent investigation.

However, he feels he has been unjustly treated by you (but stresses he has no more qualms about the previous investigation cases), at least at FC Barcelona Atlètic, where you reverted his actions - i offer some translated ideas after he sent me a message: He said he updated the team, with new players, corrected a former player (OSCAR ARPÓN to the correct form ÓSCAR ARPÓN) and you reverted everything, protecting the piece against vandalism. My man, i assure you, in this case, his actions were 100% accurate, take my word, you know how much i hate vandal's guts, would not protect him and his views if both were not good.

Also, he says you have reverted, in several players, the FC Barcelona Atlètic link the correct one, which he provided, to FC Barcelona B, which is also "good" but merely a redirect. In these cases also, his actions were fine, although i guess you were taken aback by all the ongoing quarrels.

He asks of you to please stop, he is only trying to collaborate. In all fairness, in the cases he provided in message sent to me, i concur.

All the best to you, take care,

VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 17:14, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello Vasco. Glad to see you are doing well.

I’m quite surprised you have not realized this by now, but Bruno has, over the last nine months, proven himself incapable of working in a collaborative environment such as Wikipedia. Starting with the account Bruno P. Dori (talk · contribs · block log), he has edit warred and edited disruptively on dozens of articles. He has used at least three named sockpuppets and over sixty IP accounts[5] to evade blocks and edit war.

It is extremely important to note that while I did block the very first account for extremely disruptive editing (after several warnings and short blocks), I did not initiate the recent request for administrative action at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bruninho/Archive. It was started by other users who were concerned about inappropriate behavior from a second account, Bruninho (talk · contribs · block log). In fact, at the time that investigation was started, no one involved even realized it was the indef blocked Bruno P. Dori. So, he ended up getting another chance to start fresh and completely blew it.[6]

In short, Bruno is no longer welcome to edit here at the English Wikipedia under any username or anonymous IP. Period. I and other administrators will continue to revert any and all edits he makes, block any accounts he uses, and, when necessary, semi-protect articles to prevent further disruption. You, of course, are welcome to make accurate edits to those articles as you see fit, but please advise him to find a new hobby. Thank you. — Satori Son 18:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Message received, my friend. About the start: yes, i had already realized he was a bit of a nuisance (although not as big as you know who!) but, as a user involved in these quarrels (i think it was PeeJay) put it, and i think one admin once observed it - in the order i will now refer to - that: his edits were at times useful, and were not considered vandalism per se.

And yes, i also understand that he has had a fresh start chance and did not take advantage of that (i remember it quite well it was i, a year ago, that told you BRUNINHO was a sock of BRUNO P.DORI), having since the latest investigation started two sock accounts, with the same editing patterns. I also know he, out of language problems or overnonchalant attitute (i think the former is more accurate) did not communicate his views, thus being even more disruptive. My only input to you now was about the message this guy sent me, with very particular items, thus my questions.

All in all, i understand your reaction/decision, will convey that to him today.

Cheers, keep safe, VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 20:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. As you well know from your extensive dealings here, Wikipedia is not for everyone. Have a good one. — Satori Son 20:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

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PARARUBBAS

Hi SATORI, hope all's fine with you,

From a non-compliant user to a vandal: i knew it would happen man, and i think i told User:EdJohnston about this account a couple of months ago, but he did not see fit to close it (i also sent him a message now, am only doing it also to you because Ed is on a wikibreak, he may not be "on-the-spot" ready to help; i have notified him i am also sending this to you).

Pararubbas has one account open, Edc018 (not recent nor the latest, but still "surviving"), imagine this man: he, at one point, fought us with two swords at one time (i.e. two simulatenous accounts!!). I imagine the vandal's surprise when he found out he had no need to open a new sock, because this one was still available.

He immediately started to contribute, gluing all sentences F.C. Paços de Ferreira (here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F.C._Pa%C3%A7os_de_Ferreira&diff=next&oldid=303911157, anon) and Rui Bento (here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rui_Bento&diff=303746064&oldid=300668721) - i already reverted - and be sure, he will remove player infobox stuff if he is "given the chance" (latest "contributions" here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Edc018).

All for the moment now, have a nice weekend,

VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 18:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Look what he wrote, here as anon, in same ball club (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F.C._Pa%C3%A7os_de_Ferreira&diff=prev&oldid=303948228). Are these "people" needed here? --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 18:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

While I was away, looks like PeterSymonds took care of it.[7] — Satori Son 18:19, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Two situations

Hi there SATORI, VASCO here,

Here's a "thought": i saw this "person", IP nº 86.146.115.20 ("contributions" here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.146.115.20) has been "contributing" (this consisted in inserting false teams in player pages) this last week. However, i noticed it has another edit two years ago. In case (just in that case, never mind with hopping IPs) this is a standard address could you have it blocked please?

These (insert your tirade here) have no business being here, let them find another "hobby".

Also, could you protect Diego Tristán's page? Not "real" vandalism here, but the following: an edit war is on the verge of happening between me and an anon editor with a neverending supply of IPs: i think infoboxes should be compressed, leaving further details about club names, etc, to storyline proper. He thinks differently, and reverts my edits without a word. I cannot message him other than at edit summaries (by the way, his many IPs start with 217, and in edit history (here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diego_Trist%C3%A1n&action=history) you can also find another similar set - this one standard - that belongs to me, difference is easy to make, I WRITE SUMMARIES), so communication is impossible in his talkpage(s).

Could you do something about it? Of course, if you tell me to stop (as much as the other editor), i will oblige. Attentively, ty very much in advance, VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 16:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

86.146.115.20 is by no means a vandal and, in fact, has never even been WARNED for his edits. It's important that we assume that new editors think that they're helping. That ties into Not biting the noobs.

Looking through your contributions, you haven't actually EDITED Diego Tristán. I'm confused as to how this user is supposed to know you don't appreciate his edits if you haven't said so.

Ah, I reread your post. I see what you're talking about.

You seem angry in your summaries. Have you tried posting to the article's talk page? Once again, I'm seeing blank talkpage links, so these IPs haven't been warned. --King ♣ Talk 17:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello Vasco. Looks like Kingoomieiii gave you some decent advice while I was away. Sorry for not being available, but I’m not sure I could have done anything, anyway.

Two bits of advice for the future: First, always try discussing an issue with an editor first, even it is blatant vandalism. Very few admins, if any, will take action against an editor who hasn’t been engaged in conversation, or at least formally warned (see WP:WARN for some useful templates). And this means going beyond the use of edit summaries (see Help:Edit summary#Use of edit summaries in disputes).

Second, I’m not educated enough in the specifics of Association Football (as you know) to determine if the editing by this IP was blatantly disruptive in the first place. If they had been edit warring or something obvious, that’s one thing, but these edits are not prima facie inappropriate.

In the future, when the situation is not clear-cut disruptive behavior, I would instead ask for help from your associates at WP: WikiProject Football. Thanks. — Satori Son 15:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:Hornbook -- a new WP:Law task force for the J.D. curriculum

Hi Satori Son/Archive 10,

I'm asking Wikipedians who are interested in United States legal articles to take a look at WP:Hornbook, the new "JD curriculum task force".

Our mission is to assimilate into Wikipedia all the insights of an American law school education, by reducing hornbooks to footnotes.

• Each casebook will have a subpage.

• Over the course of a semester, each subpage will shift its focus to track the unfolding curriculum(s) for classes using that casebook around the country.
• It will also feature an extensive, hyperlinked "index" or "outline" to that casebook, pointing to pages, headers, or {{anchors}} in Wikipedia (example).
• Individual law schools can freely adapt our casebook outlines to the idiosyncratic curriculum devised by each individual professor.

• I'm encouraging law students around the country to create local chapters of the club I'm starting at my own law school, "Student WP:Hornbook Editors". Using WP:Hornbook as our headquarters, we're hoping to create a study group so inclusive that nobody will dare not join.

What you can do now:

1. Add WP:Hornbook to your watchlist, {{User Hornbook}} to your userpage, and ~~~~ to Wikipedia:Hornbook/participants.

2. If you're a law student,

• Email http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Hornbook to your classmates, and tell them to do the same.
• Contact me directly via talk page or email about coordinating a chapter of "Student WP:Hornbook Editors" at your own school.

(You don't have to start the club, or even be involved in it; just help direct me to someone who might.)

3. Introduce yourself to me. Law editors on Wikipedia are a scarce commodity. Do knock on my talk page if there's an article you'd like help on.

Regards, Andrew Gradman ^talk/_WP:Hornbook 20:42, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

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Urgent help

Hi there SATORI, VASCO here,

need to discuss a subject with you, and ask for some "meddling" from you: I don't know if you are aware of this (maybe i brought it in the past slightly, when we had those Pararubbas battles), but i have an anger management problem that needs to be addressed, not at WP of course :) :) Thus, it has created some problems with some users, and i do not wish for it to occur any more.

As i think i have also told you somewhere down the line, my edit summaries have been at times not very "to-the-point" and...shall we say, fair? Problem is that, even when not dealing with vandals, i have overreacted in some cases where i definitely should have NOT.

I bring to you the latest case, because i need your help as a "communication bridge" between me and the other user. Take a look at César Peixoto and my two edit summaries (summaries here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C%C3%A9sar_Peixoto&action=history). Granted that i was a bit hysterical and said more that i should, but did it merit this answer in my talk page (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NothingButAGoodNothing&diff=306961003&oldid=306561543#From_Mnunes76)??!?

Immediately saw my bad ways, and proceeded to defend myself, apologizing (of course!!) and offering to collaborate with him in the future, as he also edits mainly on soccer (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mnunes76&diff=307054367&oldid=307054205). His answer after he returned online, as KrakatoaKatie in the past...blanking the page!

To wrap it up, the request and a promise. 1st: could you please send MNunes a message explaining my case and hopefully get things back on track? I would greatly appreciate it. 2nd: I PROMISE! This was trully an eye-opener. I will NEVER AGAIN have one word louder than the other in my edit summaries, non-vandals do not deserve any of this, they work to the best of their abilities, as do i. I promise, mate.

Ty very much in advance, have a great week,

VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 13:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

About to head into a meeting, but I'll definitely look at this today. — Satori Son 13:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Looking the back and forth between you guys, I would strongly advise you to just let it go. You're not going to get along with every single editor here; there's just too many different personalities and editing styles. Just do your best to remain civil and polite at all times (and even then, you'll still be called silly names from time to time). — Satori Son 21:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

A (reasonable?) doubt

Hi there SATORI, VASCO here, hope all's fine by you,

Regarding the "beef" i informed you about in the message immediately above, this guy has responded after my second attempt, accepting my apologies; all is great now. I will definitely keep a close look on my anger issues from now on, a promise!

On another note: i have noticed that you have been, almost "on sight", reverting User:Bruninho (and his other socks)'s edits, even when posted with an anonymous IP. I imagine, especially since your schedule does not allow - or at least you told me that once - for great periods of editing/assisting at the site, i imagine that you have a tool to do that for you, let's say...automatically? I would really like to know how do you operate in these cases and, especially since you have dealt with a dynamic IP in the case of Bruninho, i would like to implement that with another vandal, this much more disruptive, User:Pararubbas. To my knowledge, he has not opened any new accounts, but has continued to edit anon. Your thoughts please my friend.

Attentively, have a great week,

VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 21:19, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello Vasco. Because of the sensitive nature of this, I'll reply via email as soon as I get a chance. Thanks. — Satori Son 16:45, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

• (Trying to keep this sentence as low-profile as i can, will be more extensive in due time and place)Hey there SATORI, VASCO here,

Have you already mailed me? I haven't received anything mate. Ty in advance - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 21:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Destructoid article

Hello, I proposed one week ago the creation of the Destructoid article on the Video games article requests. This article was deleted in April 2007 because it was decided to "keep and clean up" in January 2007 (see first nomination), but no clean-up had taken place since then. However it is impossible to create a new article with reliable sources about the subject, as it is protected and can only be created by admins, which is the reason for my message. I have a proposal for the article in my user space. As time has passed since 2007, I could find a lot of independent sources, from Joystiq, 1UP.com, Sarcastic Gamer, Ars Technica, the Webby Awards, Giant Bomb, Wired News, Kotaku, Eurogamer, Hudson Soft, or Rock, Paper, Shotgun. Please consider that I did not created the Destructoid article nor edited it before this proposal here. Hervegirod (talk) 10:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

alan roger currie afd

please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alan_Roger_Currie_%282nd_nomination%29. it was recently deleted, and you voted either delete or keep, and it has since been recreated. i am messaging all previous voters to see if they wish to vote again. please do not take this as canvassing, as i have attempted to contact all voters Theserialcomma (talk) 07:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

If you have a minute

If you have a minute, could you look at this diff and see if the editor is starting into personal attack area: [8]. I did post the question about the sources at the RS noticeboard about other similar sources, but not streetgangs.com in particular.[9]. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:27, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Examiner.com

I was mulling over the Alan Roger Currie AfD to see why someone with over 2 million ghits is apparently not WP:N. I know, WP:GHITS applies but I can imagine the Currie advocates are frustrated.

Something that got my interest was your comment about the Examiner.com. Did you know about this site off the top of your head, happened to see what it is, or are there lists of web sites that are generally considered reliable or unreliable sources? There are nearly 1700 links from WP to the site. Ideally we'd have something like Wikipedia:Spam blacklist that would remind editors "You are using an unreliable site" with a link to an AfD like page where it's reliability was discussed. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

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