Reverendtonup

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59 Club

Hello, Reverendtonup. I saw on the Help Desk that you have some questions about editing the article 59 Club. Another editor, SamHolt6 had placed a tag on that article saying that it "may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use". Is that the case, or was it just enthusiastic club members making the changes? I have discussed this with SamHolt6 and I will take your word for it: if you say so, then I will remove that tag. And I'm also happy to help you through the process of getting edits to "stick" if you like (not for any payment, of course!) - please let me know if I can help. --Gronk Oz (talk) 15:25, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

I have only just seen this history of non-regular editors changing the content of the 59 Club article. Please note no-one can WP:OWN the content of a Wikipedia article, or intend to re-write the content into a new draft article without including the correctly-sourced content. I started with motorcycles in 1963, and have edited the content properly with historic hard-published sources. Since 2014 I have been aware of some of the real-life identities and WP Usernames of some editors who want to write the content themselves. This is regarded as WP:COI - if they have a connection. I have no connection, I am a WP:NPOV editor. I am here only briefly and sporadically do not have the time to trawl-through the recent-past changes of the content, or closely monitor any future changes. I am very well aware of the background to the Spirit of 59 for several years, of the reasons behind it, and of the now long-standing animosity of some public figures. Pinging Gronk Oz and Eagleash for courtesy.

It would be preferable if new editors, who may be likely to write of their own experiences and personal knowledge/recollections, which may not be verifiable using journalistic sources, would leave things to those more experienced. Suggestions for changes can be made at article Talk pages, although these should be supported by firm outside references.

I have restored the {{coi}} tag which is to alert regular experienced editors to be aware, although it's not formatted correctly at present. Wikipedia relies upon a system of using published sources which are deemed to be thoroughly reseached and written neutrally, not pub-talk. A vague reference to a Mike Cook book does not fall into this main classification. Please also note that WP is a general encyclopedia, not intended as a Tribute venue. Thank you.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 14:20, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Rocknrollmancer, yes Mike's book doesn't have clear references but is a firsthand history & there is no animosity from the 59 to the spirit of 59 as it is it's own club & a business based on the 60's period of the 59 club so could have its own wiki. the page now reads sensibly with no personal input from individuals other than the story of the 59 club for those that wish to research it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Reverendtonup (talk • contribs) 15:41 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your edits. As I stated, I have been aware of the people and the background for some time, but I am unsure if the Spirit of 59 has received enough press coverage for a stand-alone article. I will, however, be conscious of it as serendipity has a way of throwing up useful things when not expressly looking.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:58, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for that, @Rocknrollmancer: I think the wording of the tag "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject" is a reasonable way to explain the situation. It's much less confrontational, and more accurate, than the previous {{UDP}} tag that was there before. --Gronk Oz (talk) 04:00, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:The 59 Club

Hello, Reverendtonup. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:The 59 Club, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Draft space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for article space.

If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion under CSD G13. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it. You may request userfication of the content if it meets requirements.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. Bot0612 (talk) 12:31, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:The 59 Club

Hello, Reverendtonup. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "The 59 Club".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 18:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)