Reboot

Welcome. Thanks for the kind words. -- Zoe

Reboot, the standard is ==External Links==, despite your preferences. -- Zoe

Hey, the wiki does have references, not all articles have references but some do. Usually when I write something up Ill put a reference to various things like so (1) or (i)

Notes

• i -- this is a note!

References

• 1 -- The Great Big Book on References by J Lo (1932)

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Right. The argument is that "references" cannot be stated that they must be labled "External Links". I do not like that Reboot

Hello. I agree that there should be more references for articles. A lot of the stuff in the Wikipedia is probably unverifiable, but it's hard to see which is, and which is not, unless references are given for everything. I often put in links like this[1] if I'm just using an online reference for a sentence or two, or put it in the list of external links if I've used it for a significant portion of an article. I don't really know what the preferred ways of doing things are, since most people don't seem to do anything at all. So a lot of the time I don't bother doing anything either, so I'm guilty of the same thing... Incidentally, the Manual of Style as it now stands seems to recommend "External links" rather than "External Links". (See under "Headline style".) -- Oliver P. 21:43 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

The manual of style should be amended such that "References" are for things used in the article and External Links would be just "here's some related stuff". "External Links" is not CLEAR that these are REFERENCES used in the article. I would use the [2] style were it not such a pain in the butt to type - Reboot

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I wasn't the one that changed it to that, that was 70.68.173.118. I've been reverting their changes, that's probably where the confusion originated. Sholtar 04:13, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

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Dear Reboot, you should have made that edit while logging in. I've seen IPs making unconstructive edits to religion related topics. Thanks for clarifying. Happy editing and Merry Christmas! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

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People to People

I continued the discussion on the article's discussion page instead of the User talk pages. This will allow other article editors to see the thread and weigh in, as necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nowthenews (talk • contribs) 19:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: People to people

I'm not really sure what happened with my edits there. I was using Huggle, an anti-vandalism tool, and it apparently went haywire there, so I appreciate you reverting my edits. Also, it appears that the IP address has stopped editing, but if he starts again, let me know and I'll take care of it. Regards. Thingg^⊕⊗ 22:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

People to people

Reboot, you're really not making any serious attempt to engage in a productive editing effort on the People to People Student Ambassadors Program article. Despite several invitations from me to discuss in an effort to achieve consensus, you've instead decided to bull forward and re-insert your text several times despite a number of editors in the discussion thread encouraging a more balanced treatment after the outcome of the Hill case. It is at best confusing and, more alarmingly, part of your repeated attempts today to recast the subject matter of the article in a negative light. All of your edits today re-introduce old complaints, allegations, or lawsuits that have been previously vetted and discussed in the discussion. Please try to take a more neutral point of view to this topic. Nowthenews (talk) 00:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

You continue to revert before engaging in any discussion. I don't see a reply to the latest discussion page so let me copy here:

I've started to do some research on the appropriateness of lawsuit allegations as encyclopedic content in Wikipedia. I could not find any articles about other companies where one-sided allegations are relayed in detail in the main article (if you find any, please share). Failing to find that, I looked for articles about people who have been sued. There is a consensus on the talk page for Joseph Schlessinger that I think should guide us here 26. Note that I am not an editor involved with that article so presumably, these are conclusions reached by objective persons. Please click on that link but I will quote some of the sections here

"The complaint is quoted by the article that is cited by the various references used by Truthertruther, but they are most certainly unsubstantiated allegations. There was no verdict...it remains Garceau's word (in the suit) against Yale and Schlessinger's lack of word. I think it's prejudicial."

"Thus, it is inappropriate to give details of the allegations in an encyclopedia in my

(by a different editor) "I agree on the principle that quoting allegations from a suit that did not end up in findings of law, especially if that suit was settled out of court, is prejudicial. Anyone can allege anything about anyone in a lawsuit, and settlement is no admission that there was any substance whatsoever. . . the gory details IMO do not belong in an encyclopedia

(another editor) "I now agree with Coren on this, for the reason he has

To summarize, one-sided allegations in a complaint in a case where that has been no court decision, are unbalanced, prejudicial, and do not belong in an encyclopedia. Your section on the Hill suit is a non-neutral rehashing of the unsubstantiated allegations with the net effect of denigrating the program. I don't know your motivations but you've ignored entreaties to reach a consensus; you've reverted efforts to compromise summarily with responses like, "Nope. I'm reverting."; you're over-riding the consensus reached by previous editors of this article; and now you are also ignoring principles established by other, neutral Wikipedia editors regarding the encyclopedic appropriateness of lawsuit allegations.

Nowthenews (talk) 02:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, let's step back here a bit and try to reach some agreement. I understand that you are arriving new to this article and that you are suspicious of the other editors. There was an employee which you correctly ferreted out but that user was not a primary contributor to this article, however. Importantly, I am not an employee. I got involved in this article because I noticed there was heavy bashing of this program, which I noticed was generated almost exclusively by an involved party, Sheryl Hill (who is litigating and seeking damages no less!). That strikes me as extremely wrong and I've taken it upon myself to moderate that person's efforts to use Wikipedia to publicize her suit and slander. Despite my efforts to moderate and offer balance, the Hills unsubstantiated allegations reappear in this article periodically. Innocent-minded editors, who come new to this, "discover" the Hill allegations and re-insert them in the text. This has the same effect of rehashing the conflicted party's allegations before a judge has weighed in, or indeed without giving any treatment to the opposing argument! I've noted for you several times that if you go through the article discussion history, you'll see there are several editors, who are not "new", who clearly don't work for the company, who are even harsh critics of the company, and yet they come to the opposite conclusion as you: they think that the Hill allegations should be left out until a court has rendered its decision. I welcome a debate of this notion. I don't appreciate you bullying your text into the article and then claiming that I am the one bullying you! This is laughable, particularly since the discussion history shows that I have repeatedly requested a discussion, and you ignoring my entreaties and simply declaring "Nope" and re-inserting. It is only after your repeated re-insertions have been reverted that you have now made an effort to seek consensus. Check the history of this article, you'll note that I've tried to re-incorporate text where possible both negative and positive for the article. You, on the other hand seemed determined to reintroduce only the negative elements. I recommend the policy of moving the controversial text to the discussion page, debating the merits there, and then letting the various editors weigh in. To insist on the inclusion of your text is over-stepping in my opinion.Nowthenews (talk) 03:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

You keep making insinuations that I work for the company or that I am somehow suspicious because I've decided to take a stand here against efforts by one litigant to substantially re-cast a program that appears to be no less decent than, say, the Boy Scouts. I think you're letting your suspicion of me (and all the other editors in this article) cloud your judgment. I keep asking you to consider the conclusion of User:Robert Horning who clearly is not an employee, is clearly skeptical of the program like you, but has had the sound judgment to recommend that this Hill suit discussion & text be tabled until the outcome of the suit is made. A balanced treatment simply can't be made before then. Moreover, it sounds like that suit result will occur fairly soon. Until then, you are simply rehashing unsubstantiated lawsuit allegations, in a very similar way to how the litigant Sheryl Hill has tried to tarnish this article. I know that you are not Sheryl Hill but, unwittingly, you are carrying out her efforts to re-cast the reputation of a program without a fair trial.Nowthenews (talk) 03:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm all for letting third parties settle this. I think we've both outlined our case pretty clearly, and if you'll agree not to bully subsequent editors on this topic, I will agree to do the same. I think the essence of where we disagree is captured in your statement: "I could care less whether the program is given a fair trial or not, the issue is whether the material is relevant." You seem determined to re-introduce the lawsuit allegations merely because they are related to the company. However, every lawsuit is going to be related to the subject party because that's who they're suing! The fact that it is related does not make it *encyclopedic*. The standard here is encyclopedic, and I've pointed to several other editors who have commented that a lawsuit allegations are prejudicial and not appropriate material for an encyclopedia. Please reflect on this rather than simply saying "it's relevant, I'm putting it back in". Nowthenews (talk) 03:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

You're just repeating yourself. Wikipedia isn't here to give the company a fair trial, it is here to make sure that you can find out what you need to know about the company and its program.. Or if we can't have a fair non-advertisement then deleting it so as to not have a deceptive article that implies by omission that there is no controversy regarding the safety or that your kid really was nominated (rather than sent an advertisement in the mail). I cannot believe that if a student travel program is encyclopedic, that the tactics they use in advertising, 2 students have died on their trips in suspicious accidents and that a parent had to go pick their kid up from austrailia and that the company is engaged in a lawsuit that might affect its earnings and future performance -- if properly referenced -- ISN'T relevant or ONLINE-encyclopedic...SERIOUSLY??? If a student travel service company IS relevant than these issues about it and its marketing tactics are certainly relevant.. I can be convinced that this travel service is not relevant enough for mention. Reboot (talk) 03:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Re Per before

Just letting you know for reason the program is still picking up on your's and the other user's edit. Staffwaterboy ^{Critique Me Guestbook Sandbox} 03:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

If you like i can request that the page is protected for now and we can put up a speedy deletion tag to prove the validity of the article.This would most likely fall under the Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule].

Staffwaterboy ^{Critique Me Guestbook Sandbox} 03:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

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The page will be locked until this can be resolved.For now its locked for 3 days.

Staffwaterboy ^{Critique Me Guestbook Hate Comments} 04:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks guys! Reboot (talk) 04:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

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