AfC notification: Draft:Gibb (surname) has a new commentEdit

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Gibb (surname). Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 21:17, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
That may be of interest to User:Richard Gibb. DexDor (talk) 21:25, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia articles by where they incorporate a citation from has been nominated for discussionEdit

 

Category:Wikipedia articles by where they incorporate a citation from, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:10, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

SubcatEdit

The subcat page which you linked to supports using subcategories instead of a century category:

  • "Apart from certain exceptions (i.e. non-diffusing subcategories, see below), an article should be categorised as low down in the category hierarchy as possible, without duplication in parent categories above it."

The Interwar period specifically covers November 1918 to September 1939. Why do you think that a 20th century (1901-2000) is more appropriate? Dimadick (talk) 06:40, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

This relates to edits such as this.
Hi Dimadick. The topic of the 1920s (for example) is a subtopic of the interwar period; not the other way round.  WP:SUBCAT begins "If logical membership of one category implies logical membership of a second ..." and also says "Category chains formed by parent–child relationships should never form closed loops". The bit about being as low down as possible (imo) means whilst also obeying the other (fundamental) rules of categorization. I.e. it's an additional rule, not an alternative option to following the other rules. DexDor (talk) 07:11, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Then, should I reverse the parent-child relationship? It excludes military vehicles of the late 1910s, which are part of the interwar period. Dimadick (talk) 07:13, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Dimadick, The 1910s and the interwar period are overlapping topics, but neither is a subtopic of the other.  Hence, putting those two categories in a parent child relationship in either direction would be wrong (e.g. it would cause miscategorization of articles); in such cases it may be useful to put see-also links between the categories. DexDor (talk) 13:07, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

2013's Tropical Storm Yagi listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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2012's Tropical Storm Wukong listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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CfDEdit

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Renaming of categoriesEdit

Please see my proposal to rename categories Category:Military vehicles 2010–2019 etc Hugo999 (talk) 23:09, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Muslim user templatesEdit

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Proposed deletion of PALPAEdit

 

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Your draft article, Draft:Gibb (surname)Edit

 

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Nomination of Lunatic fringe (term) for deletionEdit

 

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Ottawa portalEdit

 

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Category:Belarusian music chart "LF Top Songs"Edit

This page is not related to Alex9777777, please do not delete the category!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Billboard_Hot_100_number-one_singles there is , then let it be and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Belarusian_music_chart_%22LF_Top_Songs%22 The world is equal for everyone, the category has the right to exist !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The chart has official pages -> https://posts.google.com/share/ZazhHI6x Please respect the work of other people and do not delete the category!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Music proekt (talkcontribs) 18:48, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Not about linguisticsEdit

Please stop removing articles and categories because a parent 5 levels away is a linguistics one, and the articles aren't about linguistics. This isn't how WP works, & if you start tugging on that thread you'll never stop. Johnbod (talk) 17:02, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Johnbod, That's exactly how wp categorization is supposed to work - and does work in most cases; I'm fixing categorizations that are deviations from the norm. Please read WP:SUBCAT etc and if you think there's a problem with that please explain (preferably on the relevant wt page rather than here).
In most/all cases of this miscategorization it's probably because someone thinks "A" (a word) is a term used in a field B so they place Category:A in Category:B_terminology. This is wrong because in wp we categorize articles by characteristics of the topic, not characteristics of the title (see, for example, the discussions about loanwords categories a few years ago). This often causes 2 forms of miscategorization - e.g. your edit to Category:Streaming has put Category:Internet radio under Category:Television terminology when the articles in that radio category are not about TV or terminology. DexDor (talk) 07:34, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
It has never been the case that all the articles in a category are supposed to be directly appropriate for a parent several levels up. I'm astonished someone as experienced as you can assert that. Even if it were the case, the best approach would be to remove category connections at the top rather than at the bottom, as you did. Obviously none of the articles in Category:Musical terminology have anything to do with linguistics (God knows why you picked on this one in particular). Hardly any of the thousands of articles in all the subcats of Category:Terminology are anything to do with linguistics, applied or otherwise, in any meaningful sense; they are just about words. If this really was a problem, the solution would be to remove the dubious parenting of Category:Terminology by Category:Applied linguistics - well, I've done that as it seems inappropriate. I'll just add Terminology to that category. Problem solved! The example you give is a good one for showing your misunderstanding of how categories are supposed to work. If this really were a problem, the solution would be to delete Category:Streaming, or divide all the contents between the various media (with most articles being in several by-media categories) but of course this would not be sensible or supported. I agree the "terminology" categories tend to get over-cluttered, but this is absolutely not about things being or not being about linguistics, but just things not really being about "terminology". You have perhaps been misled by our useless article on Terminology, which until just now completely failed to even mention the main and obvious meaning of the word. Our terminology sub-cats are (as is completely obvious) about "terms used in an art etc." rather than "science of of proper use of terms" - the two meanings given by the Concise Oxford English Dictionary (in their entirety). Most of our articles on marginal linguistic topics are really terrible. Your essay User:DexDor/Terminology categories seems to misunderstand this. Johnbod (talk) 13:51, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

First ResponderEdit

User:Jmoskowitz - You did not leave a message on my talk page but my notifications indicated you reverted First Responder because it was felt the link to Satellite Enhanced Emergency Messaging was not related. But we clarified the linkage with an update to the VOCAL-THREE description which is a device to protect First Responders by letting their headquarters know where they are located at all times. This avoids situations that have happened where firefighter are being surrounded by fires but no one knows exactly where they are to warn them. It is important for people reading the first responder article to know things have been created to protect such people. —Preceding undated comment added 11:31, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Jmoskowitz, lots of things have been created to help such people. It appears that the purpose of your edits is to promote Satellite Enhanced Emergency Messaging System (not to improve the encyclopedia). DexDor (talk) 19:04, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Asparagales of Southwestern EuropeEdit

 

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How do you start a content tree? What is the basic element?Edit

Hello User:DexDor. I found my way here, if I recall correctly, by reading guides (or reading templates, can't remember). However, I made a point of it as you have been involved with some deeper considerations on what it means to categorise things.

  • I've been trying to start a discussion about a sort of centralised tree. Traditionally, a tree with an explanation, charting assumptions on the categorisation of knowledge, has been considered one of the most important parts of an encyclopaedia. While Wikipedia has several trees of categorised content, it has nothing like a Propaedia, or like the preface to Chambers Cyclopaedia[1].
  • The style of these publications is easy. What is more difficult is deciding the first divisions. On Chambers it starts natural/scientific. On Wikipedia it might start content/administration, however, what is the first division of content? Is it between natural and scientific, as Chambers did, etc.
  • I am trying putting it that a tree like this is not my idea, but is long considered essential to what an encyclopaedia is (without regard to Wikipedia), and that this tree has already been supposed and written, that we merely have to find the various branches and rewrite them in Wikipedias image.

You obviously have, at least one time, a bit of a keen interest in this sort of thing so, in your opinion Dex,

  • What is the first division in the categories of knowledge? Why?
  • Can you think of a division as broadly encompassing as nature/science, but with three or more divisions?
  • Also, anything else.

My outlook here is to build a category tree, except that it explains its divisions as it goes, thereby creating a strong guide to categorisation, but will also consequently guide readers browsing content. That will make it a practical project, but there'll also be a strong sense of philosophy in it as we will have to define the nature of things in general, for instance, where would such a trees categorisation start? ~ R.T.G 01:08, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi RTG. We should keep administration separate from content (WP:APANA). Wp's content category structure should form a "logical framework for all(?) human knowledge" (copying from Propædia) and the category structure should be better than the outline in a printed book as we can put (for example) "Castles of England" under both "Castles" and "England".
We have Category:Main topic classifications which is intended to be the "first level" you refer to, but that does tend to suffer from editors putting their favourite subject into it (ignoring WP:SUBCAT).
TBH I don't think wp needs (yet) another way of organising topics; we already have categories, outlines, indices, portals etc and these are all pretty much irrelevant to readers who just look at the article that Google/Search takes them to and then navigate to other articles using links. If you still think there's a need to add a new "content tree" to wp then I strongly recommend that you develop clear ideas in your user pages (e.g. an essay) and get feedback from other editors before doing anything in other namespaces. DexDor (talk) 08:10, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
This sort of tree is what the other trees are afraid to do, DexDor. They are all inspired by this tree. They are all trying to achieve this tree. Surely all of the components have already been written somewhere many times. It's an inevitable part of the site. Yes indeed I am just taking my time and going through some editors who are definitely interested in such a thing, seeking ideas.
Category:Main topic classifications has no apparent basis. A knowledge tree would solve that issue for many things in one project. ~ R.T.G 14:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
I agree overall with DexDor's helpful summary above of the overall existing structure here at Wikipedia. (See, Dexdor? we do have things we can agree on.  ) thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 15:32, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Monocots of Southwestern EuropeEdit

 

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Thai gun hoaxsterEdit

  • Hi DexDor, Regarding this edit, that is the Thai gun hoaxster. You can use the geolocate link on the bottom of their contribs page and if it is Thailand then it is best to report them to AIV so they will be blocked. Cheers,
     — Berean Hunter (talk) 11:59, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

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Ancient edit for WP:TEMPLATECATEdit

I'm on a mission cleaning up some WP:TEMPLATECATs and found an edit you made in 2015 doing the same. Do you remember if you added the category to the pages linked in that template (or checked that it was already there)? --Izno (talk) 17:39, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Never mind, I just took care of the 1 edit I thought might need to be made. --Izno (talk) 17:51, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
I probably would have checked at least a good sample. DexDor (talk) 20:34, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

note re new wp categoryEdit

Hi DexDor. Now that we are acquainted , I wanted to write to give you a heads-up on a new category. I've just created a new category, Category:Wikipedia formatting, and put the article Wikipedia:Typography there. if you feel this category is superfluous, or is duplicated elsewhere, you can feel free to let me know. it just seemed like a category that we might need here. so far, maybe you and I disagree on a few category issues, but I felt like it would be worthwhile to get your input nonetheless. who knows, maybe I'm a glutton for punishment.   lol jk.

Anyway, please feel free to comment. By the way, I just posted a similar note to the one above at the talk page for category:Wikipedia help, just to get further input if anyone wishes to do so. I appreciate your help. (in a manner of speaking, I suppose.)   seriously, I appreciate it. thanks! cheers!! --Sm8900 (talk) 15:29, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

hi. after I left the note above, I found the category Category:Wikipedia article elements help, so I put the Wikipedia:Typography article in there; it was not in there before. since the existing category seems more useful, I will redirect the one that I created there. thanks anyway! --Sm8900 (talk) 16:39, 10 January 2020 (UTC)