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Image source

Hi, Thanks for uploading Image:Pedro Almodóvar.gif. Can you please state your source for the image? Thanks. --Pamri • Talk 07:25, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Angolan Portuguese

In Angola there was an attempt to learn the dialect in school. Which was rejected by the population, especially by the mixed raced. Angolans like the Portuguese learn the same standard, that is its meaning, people have some prejudice for other pronunciations, even theirs. It is like in Portugal really. The younger population in Angola speaks almost exactly the same has in Portugal, while the older people, especially women in their 40's and 50's have a pronunciation that is more similar to the Brazilian. For example: in Portugal there are dialects in a given region, but when you go to school you start to learn a more standardized Portuguese. Or even your mother says "don't say baca say vaca!" Brazil like the USA speaks Portuguese (or English in the case of the USA) for a long time, it is a bit different from Angola, where the language only became popular in the 19th century. The article must be rewritten. It is almost like English in other places outside the USA! There's no linguistic problem, but there are "patterns" of pronunciation, some you consider correct and others you don't like. It is a sociolinguistic problem I believe. -Pedro 12:03, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

maxwell dab

Thanks for that creative solution. Just so you know, I'm an actual human being. It would make me feel more like we were working together (as human beings) if you could curb your sarcasm. Editors often have different points of view; that's totally normal. We can work them out, as you have shown with your solution here. Thanks! Tedernst 22:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Maxwell

I have thousands more Wikipedia edits than you do, so if you want to be condescending to someone, take it to whatever academic rock you crawled out from under. I agree with Tedernst that you should remember you are talking to human beings. If you took the time to learn your new environment, you would know that parenthetical disambiguation terms are NOT supposed to be first-letter uppercase[1][2][3][4]. This is Wikipedia, not Merriam-Webster's. There is plenty that should be wikified at Maxwell (Surname), as I have started. I've been paid to be a writer--have you? I at least know enough to research the standards of the organization I am writing for, which you obviously haven't. But regardless of the organization, "If it a word..." what kind of English is that? And "...then it the words in question..."? Four edits to my Talk page, and you still can't even come up with coherent, grammatically correct English sentences? If you want to thrive here, I'd suggest checking your ego into the nearest hotel. 24.17.48.241 18:33, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

New Rfda for Amgine

Please see the one Paulrevere2005 just put upPaulrevere2005 has started a new Amgine Rfda with a lot of proof [5]. Hopefully you will express your support to have Amgine removed. He can always reapply later IF he improves his behavior. 64.229.66.89 03:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews needs you

Please protest your permablock with Eloquence or Ilya. Explain to them what happened; MrM is a fascist. we need you bad. 64.229.65.143 00:36, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I just sent a couple of e-mails to Eloquence and Ilya. If they un-block me, I will do everything I can to help you.

Sincerely,

Primetime 03:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Is there an e-mail account where I can message you?

Wikinews

MrMisc blocked me too. Grye 21:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

you know, the 1st thing I thought about MrMisc was that his logic sounded an aweful lot like Amgine's...

I cannot create a user on -news. There are no boxes. it just comes up with "optional an email ad...). He probably blocked my IP

• Yes, I did. You should have known as a WP user to not manipulate other's signed messages, especially on a community-consensus poll. You are now blocked for the period of a year for that reasoning. --Mrmiscellanious 18:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I think he want's to give you crack. I'm not sure. Don't doit, PT! Grye

Cartman

Email me please

Sausage tree

Great work on that article. My only suggestion is that you add some sources at the bottom in an ==External links== section. The folk remedy stuff is really interesting, but it could use a source. But overall, excellent article. I learned from it! | Klaw ¡digame! 22:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

• Looks good to me. Great job - Merry Christmas to you too! | Klaw ¡digame! 00:46, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation aids

Hi, I see you've been adding 'pronunciation aids' to various Greek god articles. But I'm not sure what system you're using. For example, you transcribe Artemis as «AHR tuh mihs». I suppose the guillemets are a sign of a particular transcription system, but I haven't seen them before. I can guess that "uh" is supposed to represent a schwa, but I don't know what "ih" represents. Perhaps you could link to the system you're using, e.g. [[George's English Symbols|GES]] «AHR tuh mihs». Unfortunately, there are other, incompatible, systems in use, too. For example, under Cronus, I find kroh'-nuhs. I'd think it would be better to use IPA, which I think is the WP standard, and is certainly more international. --Macrakis 09:48, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Re "Unfortunately, IPA is not used very often in the US" -- I agree, it is not used very often in standard mass-market US reference books. But though our audience is the mass market, it is also international. Now that I think of it, I think there is a policy about this. Let's see... here it is: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (pronunciation):

Pronunciation in Wikipedia is indicated using the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)....

Pronunciation transcriptions based on traditional English spelling are discouraged. Forms such as pro-NUN-see-AY-shun are of no help to people whose first language isn't English.

Best, --Macrakis 15:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the World Book link for your pronunciations. But the World Book article is about the encyclopedia, not about the pronunciation system, so is not very useful. I still think these should all be in IPA as per WP policy. --Macrakis 22:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I still disagree with you on that last point. I can ask that World Book's pronunciation system be explained at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (pronunciation)/IPA vs. other pronunciation symbols, though. I'd also like to mention that your argument that because it's a policy, it's right is not very convincing. In reality, anything that makes an article easier to understand makes it better. Wikipedia is not a British encyclopedia, so the concept that Americans shouldn't have their own pronunciation aid is baffling to me. Primetime 09:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Policy has been hammered out over time. There is a rather extensive discussion of the IPA vs. the many ad hoc systems there (WB is only one of dozens, which adds to the confusion). One point we haven't mentioned yet here is that English-oriented systems are useless when you want to document the native pronunciation of a word (e.g. croissant) in addition to the English-language pronunciation, or to discuss other languages' sound systems, or to discuss the history of English pronunciation.

Anyway, I don't agree with all policy, but the place to change policy is in the discussion there, not piecemeal in those articles which you happen to be interested in. I certainly don't feel like debating policy individually with every fellow-editor who disagrees with it.

The English-language Wikipedia is neither an American nor a British encyclopedia. It is an international encyclopedia. It should be useful to people world-wide. English is a very widely used second language or international language, and many users around the world find the English-language Wikipedia useful.

As for the World Book system in particular, the World Book is basically a children's encyclopedia as far as I know, which is not the Wikipedia's role (though of course children can use adult encyclopedias). --Macrakis 15:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've pretty much said everything I wanted to regarding the system. However, I want to note that World Book is an encyclopedia for all ages, and is my personal favorite of the three published encyclopedias I consult (the others being Compton's and Encyclopaedia Britannica). World Book makes a encyclopedia just for children called the Student Discovery Encyclopedia. In fact, World Book is the most widely read encyclopedia in the world. I'd strongly recommend you try a three-day subscription [6] as it is much easier to read than Britannica and remarkably easier than Wikipedia. (It has less errors and is more up-to-date than any other encyclopedia as well). Primetime 15:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Primetime.

There are some gaps in that pronunciation guide you gave us. Not all English sounds are listed.

Could you look up the following words for me and see what pronunciations World Book Online gives you for them?

• dinner
• gear
• loch
• scar
• that
• thing
• tour
• what
• yes

--  Denelson83  10:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. The column for World Book has been added to the pronunciation key. --  Denelson83  10:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Sergio Marchionne

Image:Sergio Marchionne.jpg is fixed now, in case you want to use it in an article. dbenbenn | talk 23:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi,

Thanks for helping with the image. Sorry about that. Did I do one of the steps wrong when exporting the files from the PDF, saving as a new image, etc.? I'm worried because I have other images that I want to add from the annual report.

Thanks,

Primetime 23:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't know what the problem was. ImageMagick and the Gimp have no problem with your original version, but Firefox wouldn't display it. Strangely, when I re-encoded the picture using ImageMagick, Wikipedia wouldn't let me upload the new version! I finally had to use the Gimp to re-encode.

Does the original version of the photo display in your web browser? If not, that might be a good test for other photos before uploading. dbenbenn | talk 23:48, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Hack

Essentially, because Wikipedia is not a link list. It was a link advertising a "qualification" that no bit of the computer industry I've ever been involved with recognises. I apologise for calling it spam ("unnecessary link" would have been more appropriate), but I still don't think the link should be there. Cheers and happy New Year --Pak21 13:24, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Fiat picture

The image was 635px wide. I'm sorry if adjusting it so that it fits in the page is a problem for you.—Kbolino 03:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

This is what the page looked like at 800 x 600 before. The "25-inch wide screen monitor" comment was an exaggeration. And, it still squeezes and overlaps the table of contents now, so I guess I didn't make a mistake.—Kbolino 03:54, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I have my moments, too. I should probably avoid WP when I'm not in a good mood. The measurement for the monitor on my notebook was given diagonally (15 inches) when I bought it—it's 12 inches widthwise. I use Firefox (as evidenced by my screenshot, I suppose) in windowed form (I only maximize it when I'm looking at large pictures), at around 800x600. The highest resolution my monitor can support (and the one I use) is 1024x768. I don't usually play with the text size (Firefox has a "Normal" setting, you can then increase or decrease it several times from there)—largely because most people don't design web sites to be friendly to variable text sizes (if it looks right on their machine, it must okay)—they use pixel sizes instead of point sizes, em sizes, or percentages. Anyhow, I feel it is a general rule to make it viewable at about 800x600, with normal font sizes (I guess this is "Medium" in Internet Explorer)—especially since WP's target audience is just about everybody. And yeah, I did make the image kind of small, not on purpose though.—Kbolino 02:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Shango

Hey...you can speak to me in english if for you its more easy :) I've reverted the change my bot did, the problem was that my bot had the version of the Shango page before you removed the es interwiki link.

But now its solved. I apologize for any inconveniences. --Armin76 | [[User talk:Armin76|Talk]] 15:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Armin :). Have a good one. Primetime 16:18, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I solved it again, the problem was at the deutsch wikipedia. --Armin76 12:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Number of Canuck veterans of Korean War

Hi there, you mentioned you sent an email to the veterans' association to confirm the number, did you get a response? -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 01:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

It's funny that you ask, because I just received a response:

Dear Mr. ---: [I deleted my name]

Thank you for your email dated December 31, 2005, inquiring whether the number listed on the Veterans Affairs Canada (VAC) Web site for Canadians who served in the Korean was indicates the total number of Canadians who served or the number that served at a given time.

The VAC Web site makes reference to the number of Canadians who served in the Korean War in two locations. The following web page (www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=history/KoreaWar) indicates that 26,791 Canadians served in the Korean War, whereas, this web page (www.vac-acc.gc.ca/youth/sub.cfm?source=teach_resources/korfact) simply indicates that over 26,000 Canadians served. Both numbers reflect the total number of Canadians who served. However, another 7,000 Canadians served in the theatre between the cease-fire and the end of 1955.

I trust that the above information will be of assistance.

Sincerely,

Cheryl Murnaghan
A/Program Officer

Correspondence Unit,
Canada Remembers Division/
Direction générale du Canada se souvient Veterans Affairs Canada/ Anciens Combattants Canada

It appears as if the 26,000 is the total number, and not the number at any one time.

Primetime 07:21, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Let me know if you'd like a copy of the e-mail.

List of ethic slurs

Hello Primetime - thanks for your reply. I am sure this is very frustrating for you and I can empathise with your pain.

I have looked again at that one specific example. It seems the user reverted to a previous version by Impel. I don't know why they would do that. Perhaps anon is Impel. Perhaps anon just thought Impel's version was a better version. Either way, it still looks like a content dispute, and there does not seem to be a 3RR violation recently.

I think you have done the right thing by soliciting discussion on the article Talk page, I suggest you also place a similar message on the anonymous user's talk page. If the user(s) fail to engage in discussion over their changes, then a block might be warranted. However, blocking a shared IP address is a serious step. I for one, am not willing to take that step unless other remedies have been exhausted. Johntex\^talk 02:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I googled Negromancer, didn't find much support, added the {{fact}}..and then thought about the fact that...it's a magician! LOL. An ethnic slur against magicians? Why not an ethnic slur against unicorns. But, on a more serious note, the page tends to attract crap, and it's full of unverifiable information. As I said on the talk page, I plan to nudge it towards WP:V, and since it has to start somewhere I am going to start with new contributions. I was wondering if you would be interested in cooperating in an attempt to move the page to a higher standard? Guettarda 20:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

Yeah, that word was kind of funny. As for moving it to a higher standard, I think that removing definitions that are really ridiculous or otherwise known for certainty to be false is probably enough. The vast majority of material in Wikipedia is uncited. It is especially difficult to cite words that are mostly spoken (not written) by certain groups of people--some small, and some in non-English-speaking countries. I think your tags are a great idea, but removing content just because it is uncited is a bit drastic, in my opinion.

I hope this is what you meant. If you want me to help you with something else on the article, let me know.

Sincerely,

Primetime 20:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

With regards to the amount of uncited material in Wikipedia - that's true, but we need to start somewhere. The problem with the ethnic slurs list, like the political epithets and sexual slurs is that it's pretty much an invitation for a person to include their favourite...or make up something new. Like everywhere else, we need some standard of notability - it's harder to add nonsense to more substantive articles. The issue of non-"Western" material is a real one - the material the article needs most is the material that is hardest to verify. That said, it's in desperate need to being brought up to snuff. I don't plan to delete existing material without making a serious effort to verify it, but I definitely think it needs cleanup, and new insertions need to be carefully scrutinised. Guettarda 20:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree with almost everything you said. However, I probably won't ever sign on to deleting something for not having a source. In any case, if you want to delete anything like that, I think it should probably be discussed on the talk page first. --Primetime 23:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

With regards to Most visitors were unaware that there was even a debate occurring on the talk page - anyone who clicks edit this page or clicks [edit] on a section is faced with <!--Wikipedia policy requires that matieral must be verifiable and supported by citations. Please provide citations for all new additions, and helpus find citations for existing entries -->. It also says at the bottom of the edit box: Content must not violate any copyright and must be verifiable. You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL. Anyone who adds unverified information is intentionally disregarding policy. Guettarda 02:54, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Can you explain what you mean by the following: We should follow this policy:

If you come across an article with an accuracy warning, please do the following:

• don't remove the warning simply because the material looks reasonable: please take the time to properly verify it.
• visit the talk page to see what the issues are.
• correct it right away if you can. Please take the time to properly verify it.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Guettarda 03:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Huh?? Guettarda 03:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Fine. I'll take delete my most recent remarks if you delete your most recent ones. --Primetime 23:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

So, what do you think? You just said a few things about me that I don't like. So, if I withdraw my comment, you should reciprocate just like you did when I posted it. --Primetime

I think that if you insult people and fail to assume good faith, and someone calls you on it, and you defend your insults, you don't then offer to "compromise" by saying "I'll delete my insults if you delete your post calling me on my misbehaviour". I think that's a ridiculous suggesting. When you misbehave you apologise and promise to treat your fellow editors with respect in the future. You don't make demands on other people. Guettarda 17:43, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Pedro Almodóvar.gif

Thanks for uploading Image:Pedro Almodóvar.gif. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the image qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. CLW 22:28, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Woh there! I simply used the standard tempate (which includes the "This image may be deleted" image which you appear to have taken issue with) in the hopes that you'd be able to source the image. Please don't react so nastily to well-intentioned, constructive requests. CLW 22:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Penitentiary

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (pronunciation). It says, "Pronunciation in Wikipedia is indicated using the International Phonetic Alphabet" and "Pronunciation transcriptions based on traditional English spelling are discouraged."  Denelson83  22:45, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, the statement "Americans don't use IPA" carries no merit on Wikipedia. IPA is supposed to be used regardless.  Denelson83  22:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I have asked for a third opinion in this matter.  Denelson83  22:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Wow

So you insist we assume good faith about people who post Skat, a poor white trash hillbilly, whos whore of a mother sucks cock(s) to provide the box they live in behind the pizza shack, while assuming bad faith on the part of Will and me? WTF? How incredibly rude and hypocritical. Guettarda 23:05, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Korean War

I don't know what the "Authoritative" numbers are, but an IP address (In this case 69.etc) who randomly change numbers and blanks half the article with no edit summary or claims of sources I beleive revertable as a vandal (for the blanking). 68.39.174.238 20:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, NM. 68.39.174.238 20:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Guettarda

Thank you for lecturing me about contributing to Wikipedia. Maybe when you learn to stop insulting editors with a history of good contributions, while singing the praises of vandals. In case you haven't realised, the purpose of Wikipedia is to be an encyclopaedia. Maybe you should read What Wikipedia is not one of these days. As for the List of ehtnic slurs, it's a magnet for vandals. This si precisely the sort of thing that hurts Wikipedia's credibility - in case you haven't noticed, we have been taking a really serious beating in area of accuracy. If you have a problem with my actions, I would advise that you file an RFC against me for "destroying other people's work". I am really sick of your insults and what appears to be a concerted effort to hurt Wikipedia's credibility while encouraging vandals. If you have no interest in improving the quality of the encyclopaedia, at least find someone else to harrass and insult. Guettarda 03:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Please desist with your crap. I have no interest in your campaign against policy. Guettarda 04:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

List of ethnic slurs

re: Apache, please see my comments on the Talk: page. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 22:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Ngo Dinh Diem

I have removed your assertion that Buddhists in S.Vietnam were communists as you have not provided a source for this.Blnguyen 02:45, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Unicode markup - please dont!

Hi, I see that you have been inserting {{unicode|...}} markup in the Portuguese pages. PLEASE DON'T. Editing the phonetic transcriptions and uinicode texts is already too hard as it is; with that tak it will be just impossible. Wikipedia pages are in Unicode, and any reader difficulties should be resolved by fixing the browsers, not by complicatig the editor's jobs.
All the best, Jorge Stolfi 01:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

Correct. It's a problem with Internet Explorer--the most widely-used browser in the world. I won't push the issue, but I think that we ought to be more concerned about readers than editors. Right now, the characters aren't displaying in most browsers.

Regards,

Primetime 02:09, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Strange because indeed most people use IE (which is supposed to be Unicode-compliant) but I haven't seen any complaints about Wikipedia use of Unicode until now. It definitely looks like a problem with your installation,not with IE per se.
So sorry, but no deal on this point: That article in particular has taken me (and other people) many hours of work, and will require many more before it is ready; so right now editing convenience *is* more important than working around your browser's bug. I am going to revert that markup, and please leave that article alone until you are ready to make some positive contribution to it. Jorge Stolfi 10:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Please donot move "XXX language" to "XXX"

Hi, I see that you also moved Sahaptin language to Sahaptin. That is against the explicit Wikipedia policy, that recommends separate pages for languages and ethnic groups.
Unfortunately now the move is likely to be prevented by the redirect and we may have to call and administrator... Jorge Stolfi 02:09, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

The group already has its own language page (Sahaptian languages). The article I wrote is about the group of tribes that speak the language. I'm reverting your change. --Primetime 02:14, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

But Sahaptin language is just ONE of the languages in the Sahaptian family!!!!!! Please !!!!!!

And PLEASE READ THE WIKIPEDIA POLICY. Articles about ethnic groups should be named "XXX people" rather than "XXX". Sure there are many pages still called "XXX", but that must eventually change.

I think I will read it. Where is that policy? The reason I'm asking is because other, more respected encyclopedias list the Sarahaptin under "Sahaptin" (including Encyclopaedia Britannica^[7] and Encyclopedia Americana). Also please provide evidence to support your claim of there being both a Sarahaptian language group and a single Sarahaptan language. In case you can't tell, I'm becoming irritated by your stalking of my edits. --Primetime 02:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia search seems broken at the moment. As for "stalking your edits", I naturally wanted to see which other pages you have "improved" with the unicode tag, and saw that you moved that lang page. It so happens that I spent many days over the past month doing the moves in the other direction and splitting the articles as per WP policy. If you think *you* are irritated... Jorge Stolfi 02:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

As for Sahaptin/Sahaptian, the Sahaptian languages Plateau Penutian languages page has a tree where Sahaptin is not the same as Sahaptian. What is wrong with that page? Jorge Stolfi 02:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Nothing is wrong with the page. It says, "Sahaptian is a group of languages". You said, "Sahaptin language is just ONE of the languages in the Sahaptian family". However, there is no such thing as a Sahaptian language family.^[8] Sahaptian is a language group.^[9] Also, if you don't find that policy, I'll move the entry because "Sahaptian peoples" is not an intuitive search query. --Primetime 02:48, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

i see that both of you are responding on each other's talk pages: i pick this one since you both have signed your names here. hopefully, you wont mind me typing here.

i confirm that Sahaptin is a multi-dialectal language (perhaps a dialect continuum)that is related to Nez Perce which together form a Shahaptian (sub-)family. This Sahaptian subfamily/group (whatever you want to call it) is a lower branch of the Plateau Penutian family which also has Klamath and Molala branches (and maybe a Maiduan branch). i wouldnt call Plateau a phylum as this term is more often used for tentative hypothetical genealogical relationships (i would definitely call Penutian and Hokan phylums). Penutianists Scott DeLancey and Victor Golla in their 1997 state-of-the-art report state that Plateau Penutian is "well supported" and 2 of the 3 most recent continent-wide American language references list Plateau as a valid grouping (Marianne Mithun conversatively does not connect these together, Lyle Campbell lists it as highly probable, Ives Goddard lists it as established).

i do not think that encyclopedias or the Ethnologue are good sources for American language classification. i also do not think that many language encyclopedias are particularly good either (as they very often simply list Edward Sapir's 1929 classification without comment). peace – ishwar  (speak) 07:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I have no plans to work on North American Indian tribes for the time being. The language name guidelines are in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (languages). The recommendation ot split of "XXX" pages into "XXX people/language" is somewhere else, still looking for it.
As for leaving your edits alone, obviously I cannot promise anything of the sort, you only have my promise (or obligation) to be as reasonable as possible. All the best, Jorge Stolfi 10:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

High resolution image

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. An image you uploaded, Image:Manuel Ávila Camacho (from Time).jpg is tagged as fair use but is too high resolution to qualify; under Wikipedia's fair use policy, only low resolution images are permissible. Please replace the image with a lower resolution equivalent; instructions on doing this are available at {{Fair use reduce}}. Thank you. Chick Bowen 17:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Embarrass

• This illustrates my problem with the English etymology pages on Wikipedia. It's ultimately from Latin and it took a trip through Portuguese, Spanish and French. I think the obvious answer is to list them all at Latin, but apparently others feel it's much easier to list it three times at all three Romance languages, but not at Latin. Bass ackwards. Check out the Spanish etymology pages to see what I hope the English etymology pages will eventually become. I would spearhead the movement myself, but I just don't feel like having the 8,023 edit wars and arguments necessary to do it.--Hraefen 20:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Maserati

Hi: Regarding Maserati/Alfa, Maserati was switched out of Ferrari control and into Alfa control in 2005. 'Alfa group' may not be the correct term, I agree, but it is under Alfa control. Some links [10] [11] [12] [13].Didsbury ryder 13:13, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Image:Pascual Ortiz Rubio.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:Pascual Ortiz Rubio.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

Ta bu shi da yu 21:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Put your fair use rationale on the image description page under the license and the image will probably stand -Nv8200p talk 23:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. --Primetime 23:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Image:Pedro Almodóvar.jpg

Can you elaborate on your statement that AP/Wide World Photos has irrevocably released all rights to Image:Pedro Almodóvar.jpg? (btw, as for the external links, I don't agree with you, but feel free to revert) Algae 09:40, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

They gave me permission to use the photo.--Primetime 09:44, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

That's great! Can you please add the missing information (if you obtain special permission to use a copyrighted work from the copyright holder under the terms of our license, you must make a note of that fact (along with names and dates), WP:C). This is just so we can tell AP exactly who gave us the permission and when, should they ever forget about it. You can also paste a copy of the permission (if you received it via e-mail) to the respective talk page. Thanks. Algae 16:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Please do add the missing information. I realize that it's annoying, but it is important. Algae 10:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic Slurs

I'm sure. I'm only deleting the most ridiculous, unsourced, unverifable nonsense. Terms with even a chance of credibility, I'm leaving alone. 24.0.91.81 03:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Now you're just being irresponsible. The burden of proof should be on the submitter, and most of this nonsense doesn't even have a third rate source. 24.0.91.81 03:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

re: The entries you moved to Wiktionary

[14]: is it a wiki after all. i am suppose to ignore grump users like you. it isn't meant to be democratic or bureauratic. so it is natural that i get someone like you if i do something out of people's comfort zone. -- Zondor 14:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Capitalization

This has response to your following message:

"I hate to tell you this, but the first letter of definitions are usually capitalized.^{[15][16][17][18]} They do this so that people aren't given the wrong idea on how to spell the word. It is capitalized when it is a person or place name (i.e., a proper noun), though."

MY reply:My goodness, so I will have to reverse all - I really wasted a lot of time. But, I had found anumber of entries beginning with a capital. Thank you for the information, I shall be very careful in future. I shall also revese them as and when I get time. --Bhadani 15:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

It is fine. Thanks. And, I wish you happy holi, something which no one may have wished you until now, and about which you may not have heard at all! Wikipedia has opened so many windows and so many doors. --Bhadani 15:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

So my actions are now something like a fait accompli – but, we wikipedians are capable of reversing all incorrect things, and are capable of presenting correctly the correct information - may be over a period of time. --Bhadani 16:01, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

List of English words of Spanish origin

embarrass is not Spanish origin but Portuguese origin.

Please visit below webpages.

http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltGUIBusUsual?TIPO_BUS=1&LEMA=embarazar On the page you can notice following phrase. "(Del port. o leon. embaraçar, der. de baraça, lazo, quizá voz de or. celta; cf. irl. ant. barr, copete)."

http://clave.librosvivos.net/verficha.asp?idelementoaver=14459 On the page you can notice following phrase. "ETIMOLOGÍA: Del portugués embaraçar (estorbar)."

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861608036 On the page you can notice following phrase. "[Late 17th century. Via French embarrasser "impede, disconcert" < Portuguese embaraçar < baraço "halter"]"

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/embarrass?view=uk On the page you can notice following phrase. "— ORIGIN French embarrasser, probably from Portuguese embaraçar, from baraço ‘halter’."

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=embarrass On the page you can notice following phrase. "Etymology: French embarrasser, from Spanish embarazar, from Portuguese embaraçar, from em- (from Latin in-) + baraça noose"

List of ethnic slurs

I've nominated the article for deletion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ethnic slurs. I don't think it is worth the effort of trying to source slang dictionary that doesn't belong in Wikipedia anyway, but if there is such an effort I'd want to make sure that the article is here to stay.

FYI, many of the accounts that edited the article over the past year have been determined to be socks of a single user, nominally user:CantStandYa. His identities are listed at Wikipedia:Long term abuse#Socks of Shran/CantStandYa. He hasn't been banned, and may still edit under a single user name. Only his sock accounts have been blocked. -Will Beback 05:37, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

If you think that senidng to Wiktionary is a viable optin I'd be happy to vote for that. From your previous comments I thought that was a non-starter. -Will Beback 08:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Mauñel Azaña y Díaz.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Mauñel Azaña y Díaz.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an arguement why we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, consider reading fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Thuresson 19:44, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Please provide more background information so that others can verify that the Hispanic Society of America has released this image to the public domain. Thuresson 20:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

May I see the permission letter please? The reason is that somebody has nominated this image for deletion from WikiCommons. Thuresson 04:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

RE: Spic

Answered your concern on the talk page of this article... IP Address 12:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

A further remark.

What you are doing is a violation of community standards at the Wikipedia. IP Address 13:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

...And you are not following the style preferred by the Wikicommunity. You are a renegade trying to push your own agenda to remake the Wikipedia as you please. This is against the rules. IP Address 22:23, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I pointed to many rules, but you ignored them all in favour of feigning ignorance. You are not interested in following the rules, or becoming a helpful asset to the Wikipedia community. IP Address 22:28, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Have fun distorting the facts to promote your insolent innocence. Your sly handling does not conceal a propensity to ignore community standards. BTW, you have violated the 3RR so many times anyways! IP Address 22:39, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I have blocked both you and IP Address for 12 hours for violating WP:3RR. Please go and have a nice cup of tea and a sit down, and come back to this issue with a cool head. Please also read about our methods of dispute resolution - edit warring is not considered a good one. --Sam Blanning (formerly Malthusian) (talk) 23:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Archiving

I tend to get a little jealous... maybe a lot, so I apologize that my first post was heated. I do not agree with your reposting all of the archived discussion for ethnic slurs. The discussion now exists in two places, taking up valuable Wikipedia space. Wikipedia asks that large talks be archived, and the current discussion was over the 32kb limit. By archiving that material I was trying to allow for new discussion. If previous discussion is still not finished, that user or a user of similar thought should repost. Moving user posts is not rude, as Wikipedia ASKS for large discussions to be archived. It would be unrealistic as well to message every user and ask them if I may move their post, as some may never respond. You are also moving user posts without their permission though.

Additionally, that archive was only for a month's worth of discussion. To archive only once a year will create an unbelievably large forum, which for users on slow connections will be difficult to load.

After reviewing your changes to formatting more thoroughly, I agree with many of your changes as I think they will further organize that very disputed topic. I know some people will not use the headings, but I planned on watching the discussion and placing errant posts in their appropriate pages.

Lastly, I do not appreciate being talked to as a child or treated like a 'newbie'. Just because I have been a registered user of Wikipedia for a short time does not mean I haven't read the Wikipedia guidelines. I did not attack you, I attacked your methods. I have been using Wikipedia for many years and have made many contributions without a user name. Since you are in post-secondary as well, I assume we are very close in age, and though I know my first post was rude on my part, I think we could both treat each other with more respect.

I hope to hear your thoughts on restraining the size of the discussion and what material should be left archived, and what material posted. Material that has been posted onto the new discussion should be taken out of the archive to redeem space. Talk to you again

~ SD

Image:Fiat Group Revenues by Industry, Version 2.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:Fiat Group Revenues by Industry, Version 2.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Mark83 20:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)