User talk:Phil Bridger/April 2020 – June 2020

Help

Sir, please add the references, etc. Properly on "O Amar Desher Mati". I am a new Wikipedian. Please, please, please..... Thanks. প্রসেনজিৎ পাল (talk) 13:10, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I can't help you if you delete reliable sources and categories from the article. Please don't do that. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:46, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Sukant Kadam

• I saw that you reverted my edits here, Special:Diff/949067398.
• First thing which grabbed my attention was their name which resembles the article they have created, User:Sukant9993, and Sukant Kadam
• Here they are saying it clearly that, they want to create their own page, Special:Permalink/948670524
• SO to my eyes it becomes, WP:NOTWEBHOST, WP:PROMO.
• Please tell me how it's not promotional? QueerEcofeminist ^{"cite! even if you fight"!!!} [they/them/their] 16:22, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

• None of that matters. The content of the article, which is what does matter, is factual, not promotional. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:24, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

• Phil Bridger, Can you point out to the page of policy? so that I can refer to it and follow for my further reviews? QueerEcofeminist ^{"cite! even if you fight"!!!} [they/them/their] 03:50, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

• Just read the template that you added. It is about the current form of the article, not the intent of its creator. Phil Bridger (talk) 06:59, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Improving of article

Can you help me improve a draft i am working on? Draft for Rashad McCrorey NanaKofiER (talk) 02:24, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I won't be working on that. The draft looks to me like spam, and I also have a prejudice against anyone described as an "influencer", so I don't think I'm the best person for you to be asking. Phil Bridger (talk) 06:46, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Westbrook University Page

His attitude towards the westbrook university page is absolutely impartial.

He inserts FALSE data without declaring neither sources nor veracity of the news, yet when inserting my data (including sources) she declares them NOT acceptable.

I understand that the Westbrook University site is also mentioned by you. How come it is unreliable only when mentioned by me?

He also insinuated that I belong to Westbrook University, which is totally false.

93.61.94.17 (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Who are "he" and "she"? Without that information I can't possibly understand what you are writing. I note that you are editing from Palermo, the site of this so-called "university's" operation in Italy. All that you need to do to add content is to cite independent reliable sources, which this "university's" web site and other content produced by the "university" are not. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:17, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

O Amar Desher Mati

Namaskar. Dear sir, Thanking you for the help # O Amar Desher Mati. প্রসেনজিৎ পাল (talk) 04:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

CSD

Hi, you contested my CSD, however it appears to be a newly-coined term which isn't widely known. WikiAviator (talk) 14:52, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

No. It's a long-established term which is widely known. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Alla Ayodhya Rama Reddy

He Is A Politician It Should Be On Wiki . I Have Submitted The References KumarVenati (talk) 09:53, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

The place to discuss whether this should be deleted is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alla Ayodhya Rami Reddy. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Namaskar,

Dear sir, thanking you for the help # Baba Nam Kevalam. Thanks...... প্রসেনজিৎ পাল (talk) 11:55, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

contesting deletion of Shukrawar Peth, Pune

Hi User:Phil Bridger, you recently contested a prod of Shukrawar Peth, Pune. The article seems to have minimal importance and unless some relevant information is added to it, I would say it shouldn't be included on Wikipedia. Why do you feel that it should remain? werewolf (talk) 20:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I contested deletion because it passes the WP:GEOLAND policy, as I clearly said in my edit summary. Phil Bridger (talk) 06:04, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

British Muslims for Secular Democracy

Hello my friend. I hope you are fine. You assert that there “has a fair amount of coverage in academic papers and books”. Great. When I searched I didn’t find those. So if you could please direct me to any I’ll add them. Thank you kindly. All good wishes, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 08:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Take your pick from those found by Google Scholar and Google Books. I haven't done any in-depth analysis of these, but there's enough there to see that this requires discussion at WP:AFD if it is to be deleted rather than have it done without discussion by WP:PROD. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:24, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

S. C. Obeysekara Jnr

There is no collaborating evidence that S. C. Obeysekara Jnr was an actual member of the Legislative Council of Ceylon. The only cited reference is a letter to a newspaper relating to the death of James Peter Obeysekara. It is highly likely that the individual being referred to in the letter is actually Solomon Christoffel Obeyesekere. So next time don't be so hasty and check the facts rather than assuming the information contained in the article is 100% accurate. Dan arndt (talk) 09:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Despite the title of the web page that is clearly not a letter. And yes, it is highly likely, pretty well certain in fact, that Solomon Christoffel Obeyesekere is being referred to in that letter, so this should be redirected to the better article rather than deleted. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

If you read the cited reference then it is clearly a letter. At this stage there doesn’t appear to be any other references to S. C. Obeysekara Jnr anywhere hence the request the article be deleted - no obvious reason for a redirect. Dan arndt (talk) 10:12, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

What, in the actual content, makes you think that it is a letter? Have you ever seen a letter in a newspaper that doesn't have a signature, even if only "name and address supplied"? And the heading of that page says "The Nation: Diary: Compiled by Chamidra Wickramasinghe". And whether this is the same person as Solomon Christoffel Obeyesekere is something that needs investigation and discussion, which can't take place if the article is deleted without discussion as you proposed. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

The letter clearly states “I came to know J.P. Obeysekara very well when he was contesting the Attanagalle electorate and visited my mother’s home at Veyangoda to get my support. Our deepest sympathies to his beloved wife, children and relations. May he rest in peace. – Capt. L.B. Lanka Jayaratne, Irangani Senerviratne, B. Jayaratne, Weligama.” which is clearly a signature. The same applies to each of the other letters on this page. Dan arndt (talk) 10:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Tagore

Thank you for spotting the run of deletion proposals on works by Tagore. I must admit I’d skimmed over them when they first went up and wouldn’t have clocked them without your intervention. I was about to say that I suppose the nominator is acting in good faith but now I see they have been blocked for sockpuppetry. The delete votes are frankly inexplicable, but there you go. All the best Mccapra (talk) 15:46, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your support. I'm afraid the "delete" votes are pretty much par for the course, especially when it comes to non-Western and non-Anglophone topics. Even when subjects are Western and partly Anglophone we see a lack of common sense in deletion discussions. A recent discussion I was involved in nearly deleted an article on what was one of the two major credit card processors in Europe (along with Visa) until it merged with Mastercard in 2002, and I had to put up with a lot of abuse before some people with a bit of sense turned up to the discussion. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:45, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Your words

• What do you actually mean by " indicates importance/significance, a lower standard than notability "? — GargAvinash ^talk 23:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

• Please see WP:A7 for an explanation. Phil Bridger (talk) 05:58, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I read that criterion. But where you found "a statement in the article that attributes noteworthiness, or information you learn while looking at any references provided in the article" in Kaushlendra Jha? — GargAvinash ^talk 06:50, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I presume you are talking about Kaushlendra Jha. I would have replied sooner if you had provided that information instead of making me look for it. Just about every sentence in the lead section contained an indication of importance/significance, that is something that might well lead to coverage in independent reliable sources. As I said, he may not be notable, but that needs to be examined rather than dismissed out of hand by speedy deletion. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:20, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Why are you presuming that? I had already provided the name of the article. — GargAvinash ^talk 17:40, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Please try to ping the users whenever you reply to messages on your talk page so that they can get a notification about your reply. — GargAvinash ^talk 17:43, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I somehow managed to miss that you had provided the name of the article. Mea Culpa. Pinging is far from compulsory, and is in fact a facility that has only recently been implemented on Wikipedia, seemingly in an effort to make this look like a "social" media site rather than an encyclopedia. The standard way for anyone to see a reply is to watchlist the page in question. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:51, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

• I'd request you to participate in AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kaushlendra Jha. — GargAvinash ^talk 04:35, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

is my page

Who is removing what i'm adding to thi pages becouse its me created it and now a have keys of this pags but the is somone removing my information stop it Ernest Maluleke (talk) 08:07, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

No, it is not your page - see WP:OWN. I reverted these edits because your edits added unsourced information and the word "location" with no indication of why it was there, and deleted sourced information, but not the associated source, making it look as if the source verified something it didn't. I reverted this because it similarly added a random word and removed sourced content. I reverted this because it changed a correctly spelt word to an incorrectly spelt word. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

note re question

I answered the question that you posed to me at Village Pump. I appreciate your taking the time to write. I hope my answer was responsive and helpful. In the future, I would like to ask that we move past this issue entirely. you have asked me a question, and I was glad to answer it. if you have further questions on this specific topic, I would ask that you please contact me either by writing to me on my talk page, or on your own. I sincerely appreciate your help and understanding. thanks. if you reply here, please ping me. thanks. ---Sm8900★ 🌎 22:08, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

note re new accords

Hi. I just wanted to let you know that in connection with the concerns that you raised at Village pump (proposals), I had an extensive discussion with Nick Moyes about some valid ways to address these concerns, and to find some new ways to address this positively. You might find it helpful and informative to view the specific details on the new accord that we were able to reach; this discussion provides new clarifications and modifications, to any points previously made on this set of issues. I have agreed to take a hiatus of at least two weeks in making any proposals, just as an article of good faith. I hope that is helpful.

you are welcome to view the full discussion and new understandings, at the talk page section User talk:Nick Moyes#New accord and understandings. Please note, I will not be making any further comments on that talk page; however, if you need to discuss, I can do so at my talk page or at yours. I hope that is helpful. I appreciate your help. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 01:05, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

"Headquartered"

I went back in the history to see where it came from. The article started out as a stub that mentioned "headquarters in Boston." Eventually somebody did a multi-edit ce that condensed the lead --> "headquartered." Thanks for noticing and making the change. HouseOfChange (talk) 13:37, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I know I'm being rather pedantic about things, but I'm sure I didn't see that word until the 1990s (I was in my 30s/40s then) when the company that I worked for produced an illiterate boilerplate that included this word, and it was changed after I pointed out just how much it would annoy pedants like me, who were largely the target market of the company. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:47, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Notify AfD

Hi Phil, I like to kindly notify you there is an active AfD Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Princeps_pastorum that I want to hear your thoughts. xinbenlv ^{Talk, Remember to "ping" me} 18:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

The Talks page for deletion.

Hi there. You recently declined my request for the page ‘the talks’ to be deleted. All members of the band ‘the talks’ have agreed we’d like the page removing now. How would we go about doing that?

Any help would be much appreciated!

Thanks in advance.

Richard titch Lovelock Chardloverock (talk) 09:28, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

WP:PROD removals ("sourced towns")

Hi Phil,

You recently removed several of my WP:PROD requests on stub articles such as this one, stating that "a sourced town is not an uncontroversial deletion candidate as required for WP:PROD".

I am writing to ask you not to remove these. In most cases, these are not sourced towns - they are simply names taken from a map on an atlas, and the user has usually made absolutely no effort to check whether any town was ever there. The source doesn't exist for these places being towns, only for the name existing and being attached vaguely to a certain area. The user who created these stubs often uses phrases such as "Its name does not occur in ancient authors, but is inferred from epigraphic and other evidence" (for example, here) to obscure the fact that there is no proper source.

Several of these have been listed for discussion on Articles for Deletion. For more information, see the discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2020_May_20#Appolena

I would be happy to continue listing these for discussions of deletion, but it would take an extremely long time, as this particular user has created a vast number of these poorly-sourced stubs.

Please do get in touch if you'd like to discuss this further! Best wishes, LegesRomanorum (talk) 09:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I refer you to the comment I made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arilla (Lydia). The Barrington Atlas of the Greek and Roman World is a reliable academic source that confirms a pass of WP:GEOLAND. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Sahir Hashmi Adeeb

Dear ‎Phil Bridger, I hope you are fine. Thank you for teaching me the rule that a page is ineligible for the WP:PROD procedure if it has been discussed at WP:AFD. I hadn’t realised but am glad to learn. Best wishes, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 08:37, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Nugegoda West Grama Niladhari Division

Hi. Please take a look at the history Nugegoda West Grama Niladhari Division, and what happened before you declined the speedy. The editor moved the page to a different name and changed the contents, so of course you couldn't see the issue in the current version. The old version though was an easy speedy delete, and the original name should have been speedy deleted (I have now nominated it at CSD as an R3). Please make sure to look at the history of pages before you decline (or accept) speedy deletions. Fram (talk) 08:04, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Mea culpa for not checking the history properly, but I think we got to the right result in the end: an article on Nugegoda West and the deletion of the bad redirect. The creator of this article clearly just based it on a previous article, but did it in a slow, and unusual, fashion. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:29, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

State parties

I was not aware we did have articles on local state branch of political parties.Slatersteven (talk) 16:09, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

See the articles in Category:Political parties in the United States by state. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:21, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes I am aware NOW.Slatersteven (talk) 16:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

ATK-Mohun Bagan

Phil, you should have find clarity by having words with an expert of Indian football who is well aware of things. That page is a hoax. There is nothing such thing exists, period. The citations added are based on rumours and speculation. One club ATK (football club) merged with another club Mohun Bagan A.C., so already Mohun Bagan page existed and it will be updated after anything official comes from club. Till now nothing has been official. The whole article is based on rumour, we have been protecting both the existing article for months now from rumours and speculation. Drat8sub (talk) 14:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard:

Thanks for that. I think you can see what I was trying to do but I have no idea what actually happened. I will have to give it some thought. Britmax (talk) 18:06, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I think it was an edit conflict glitch. What I was trying to do now appears to have been done. Britmax (talk) 18:11, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough

I put the tag on not so much for the lack of sources, but for the lack of any claim of significance, which the prose is still lacking; I did a quick check to see whether I could see any sources that would allow such a claim to be added, but nothing jumped out at me. Is there anything in that Sculpture Review source that we could use? GirthSummit _(blether) 11:12, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Clarification

Sir, The articles of Rabindranath Tagore were nominated for deletion because first time each and every article contained single line. But later, I worked on them and they are now fit and fine, such as "Denapaona", " Jibita O Mrita", "Kari o Komal", " Kabi-Kahini", "Manasi", etc. And I tried to add archaeologist and historian 2 more categories to Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar. But they deleted the earlier categories, philosopher, Author, composer, linguist, etc. At last after a long discussions some sources are available to write categories philosopher, composer etc. Thanks..... প্রসেনজিৎ পাল (talk) 16:22, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

These articles of Tagore were nominated for deletion, but now fit and fine: 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denapaona 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jibita_o_Mrita 3. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kari_o_Komal etc. প্রসেনজিৎ পাল (talk) 16:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar's articles are: 1. https:en.m.wikipedia.org/Prabhat_Samgitta 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Utilization_Theory, etc. But they removed the categories "composer", " philosopher", " author", etc. Thanks...

             প্রসেনজিৎ পাল (talk) 16:40, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Corrected no 1: https:en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prabhat_Samgiita প্রসেনজিৎ পাল (talk) 16:42, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prabhat_Samgiita প্রসেনজিৎ পাল (talk) 16:44, 29 June 2020 (UTC)