Paulgilpin

November 2015

Hello, I'm Denisarona. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Magee College without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I have restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Denisarona (talk) 13:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, you should use the edit summary to explain your edits. Regards Denisarona (talk) 14:00, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Please note that if you are employed by Magee College, your editing of the page constitutes a conflict of interest. What you should do in this case is to create a section at Talk:Magee College identifying your affiliation with the institution and stating the changes you would like made, and the reasons for these changes. bd2412 T 14:09, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Ulster University article changes

Hi Paul, I'm aware that you've made extensive changes to the articles relating to Ulster University. I wrote much of the article regarding the infobox, the history and financial data. I took much of this data from valid sources and virtually all of it is referenced. Could you please revert the changes you've made to the history sections of the article, the sections of the articles relating to the Irish naming of Ulster and the changes to the infobox, particularly the universities colours which are now missing from the infobox. I would fix these minor things but there's quite a few micro-edits and I don't want to undo your other changes with a full article rollback.

I would also request that you please note in the edit comments what changes you are making and that you try to make fewer, small edits and more, large edits as this is common practice on Wikipedia. Thanks and great work on the articles so far! Chris ☮^(Talk) 21:16, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Paul, my rationale for using shorthand of Ulster and UU is to fulfill WP:NC-UNI and WP:UNIGUIDE#Article structure which require the most common names to be listed. As there are sources for these shorthand abbreviations in the local media for naming of the University I included them, as is similarly done on the Queen's University Belfast article.

Here are some sources I found via a quick search that verify UU is a common name:

Official Sources:

• [1]
• [2]
• [3]

Media Sources:

• [4]
• [5]
• [6]

Perhaps the wording of the sentence should be changed to "It is often informally referred to simply as Ulster, or by the abbreviation UU"? This would reflect the University's official stance and the public's common naming of the University.

In regards to the Irish and Ulster-Scots naming of the university this was found at an official University page via web archive, I believe they are linked with the article, I included these to again fulfill is to fulfill WP:NC-UNI and WP:UNIGUIDE#Article structure.

I would be reluctant to remove the history portion of the article concerning the freshwater laboratories and Campus One. These were reverted as these are notable per WP:UNIGUIDE#Article structure. Perhaps the reference to the Campus One programme should be removed from the campus section as it is no longer current and simply kept in the history section?

Sorry for the confusion in regards to this as this is just how Wikipedia policies dictate encyclopedic content. I do feel that I should point out that Wikipedia is an encyclopedic platform for factual content, it's not a marketing platform for the University's benefit. I'm only pointing this out as the style of some of your edits appear to be boosterism and conflict with WP:NPOV and WP:UNIGUIDE#Neutral point of view. Sorry if this interferes with your work but we have all made these mistakes when we started editing Wikipedia, myself included. Hopefully this helps, thanks. Chris ☮^(Talk) 19:37, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Chris, if you take a look at Ulster University's Editorial Style Guide in section 4. Grammar 4.1 Abbreviations and acronyms. Ulster University does not have an abbreviated form. The following acronyms or alternatives must not be used or appear in any literature: UU, UUB, UUC, UUJ, UUM, NUU, the Poly, the Ulster Poly, the New Ulster University, Belfast University, Coleraine University, Jordanstown University, Magee University, Magee College, Magee University College, the Art College, York Street Campus. The reference weblink is Ulster University is currently redeveloping its website and it will apply the editorial style guidelines during that process. The two course entries listed are currently being corrected and updated for editorial style as these are currently incorrect. The UCU website is separate from the University as it is a trade union page. Regarding the media, they use the abbreviation to save space in headlines only. Given this information it would not be appropriate for the wording of the sentence to be changed to "It is often informally referred to simply as Ulster, or by the abbreviation UU" Paulgilpin (talk) 12:51, 10 November 2015 (UTC)Paulgilpin

Hi Paul, WP:TITLE#Common_names gives rationale for my usage, here is an extract from that Wikipedia policy that encourages the common name inclusion:

Names are often used as article titles – such as the name of the person, place or thing that is the subject of the article. However, some topics have multiple names, and this can cause disputes as to which name should be used in the article's title. Wikipedia generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit criteria such as recognizability and naturalness. Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article. For cases where usage differs among English-speaking countries, see also National varieties of English below.

The abbreviated forms are frequently used outside of the University and they colloquially represent the University. The document you listed is an internal University document which dictates how the University brands itself, not how other people view it. Chris ☮^(Talk) 14:45, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Ulster University Informal Naming (2016)

Hi Paul, I read the rationale for your recent edit on Ulster University. Whilst I appreciate what you are saying the argument you are making is invalid. University policy, whilst brought into consideration on Wikipedia, is not the "be all, end all" on this site, the Wikipedia policies are used to determine content. I have linked you to the policies on this matter before and it's clear that the common name usage is required. If you feel strongly about it then please make a post on the talk page for the page in question to discuss it. Chris ☮^(Talk) 01:41, 26 January 2016 (UTC)