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I completely enjoy Oz's minor appearances, because he always gives good little one-liners. There is a difference between wasting the character and wasting the actress and finding a smooth middle ground. She was absent for far too many episodes for it to be merely "wasting the actress" if she had appeared more often. You don't need to see her all the time, but when she literally lives right there in town and you're seeing her about as often as you see Joyce, you kind of forget about her (which one shouldn't since she is supposed to be be present off-screen). I mean, hell, at least talk about her and acknowledge that she still exists in your universe.

I love a lot of sappy, family things. Rescuers Down Under and The Great Mouse Detective are my favorite Disney movies. Plus, I'm a sucker for those Tom Hanks/Meg Ryan movies - Sleepless in Seatle and You've Got Mail (never really saw Joe versus the Volcano). I saw Zathura, it wasn't bad. It certainly wasn't Jon Favereau's best work, but it was enjoyable. LMAO, yeah...Miller does. So does Alan Moore.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if there was a link that we could place in the plot related sections of articles that say, "For further reading see Wikia article X"...or something to that extent. Unfortunately, we can't. If we could, I think that would curb a lot of problems because people would see that there is a link to a page that should theoretically contain more plot information.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I was tempted to include Joss's name myself, but I wasn't sure if it was going to spark some controversy. ;) Speaking of Angel, did you ever notice that this Irish accent seemingly disappears for no reason whatsoever? Yeah, writers are like that. The guy you described reminds me of Don Murphy. I don't know if you remember this, but he's the one that was getting his minions on his forum to hunt us Wikipedia editors down because we hurt his feelings.

Ironically, Wikia is owned by Jimbo Whales and his Wikia.Inc corporation. The only difference is that Wikia has advertisements, while the sites we consider "sister sites" don't.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Being Irish and being from Ireland might be the issue. I'm Irish and German, and I sound like neither. :D If Glen Quinn grew up here, he probably wouldn't have an accent, and it might be difficult for him to make it. He seemed to just not have it when they did that flashback of him when he first got to the US and the demon guy took him to L.A. to see Buffy when she first learned she was the Slayer.

You didn't make any comments about me watching Blade. I figured you would since it has a few similarities with Buffy. Namely, the vampires die in a similar fashion, and you have that whole "good" vampire motif (ala Angel...though, Blade isn't a "vampire with a soul", but a "half human/half vampire").  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:29, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, Quinn was apparently in the US since 1988, which is enough time for your accent to leave (if it does at all. Nothing says it has to). I don't recall him in the show, I know he definitely didn't sound Irish in Roseanne, which was where I used to watch him all the time. I'll see when I finally get Angel and let you know if I think it sounds as real as its supposed to be. I don't generally pay attention to fan opinion of accents, because most of the time people don't know what the hell they're talking about.

At the time of his creation, he was Marvel's answer to DC Comic's darker comic line, apparently. Marvel was really into doing lighter stories in the 70s, and Blade answered DC's darker stuff because he held a lot of the elements that were still considered "taboo" by the Comic Book Police.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Some people can just do accents. Personally, I can't; most likely because I don't really have a malleable voice. I don't pick up accents when I move easily at all, I don't even have an accent in my general speak, which is quite odd because I'm originally from Virginia which is a very southern state (so I should sound like a redneck, but I don't). Ironically, when I get excited in my speech I will say words that come out in an accent, but sometimes it's a southern accent, a Boston accent, a Floridian accent...just depends on the word. It's also a reason why I have trouble speaking foreign languages; I can say the words correctly but they just don't sound correct because I have difficulty putting a "German" accent on a German word, or a "French" accent on a French word. It sounds odd when it comes out of my mouth, and my teachers have even asked me if I was making fun of the language because it sounded so weird. I never felt like Angel's supposed Irish accent was that convincing, because a lot of the time it came off forced in his conversations. Plus, it didn't help his cause that you were hearing him do perfect American english in the rest of the series.

I thought about changing the file name, but then you just get that whole "orphaned image" with the bot and it's an annoying hassle. It was easier to just upload over it and forget about it. It's only a file name and doesn't have anything to do with the picture itself. I could have just as easily called the image "12354".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't think Kendra had a believable accent. She was from what, Africa? She sounded like she was from Jamaica, with a hint of Haitee. That's why it's best to stick to your natural tongue. Though, I do find Hugh Laurie's accent rather convincing, especially when you hear him in interviews and you get his natural accent. It's pretty amazing. I was really impressed with Michael Cain in Secondhand Lions, because the man never does anything but a British accent. Oh yeah, and Heath Ledger's American accent in The Dark Knight was crazy awesome.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:12, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Jamaican accents are accents that always sound like they are "put on", even when they sound accurate. LMAO, I can barely understand what that sentence was that you wrote.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't see that at all. lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Have you see this yet?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:03, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. I really liked Nispel's Chainsaw remake, so I have high hopes that he'll make a decent Friday. They cut the scenes of the woman playing Mrs. Voorhees, so...maybe other than that monologue, you won't see or her from her in the film. You do hear about her, but nothing from her.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I assume that was a joke? lol. I think Derek Mears would have issue playing a woman in a mask. I don't know a lot of 7ft tall women either. I've thought about buying those books, in the list of books that I want to buy. I remember reading about the anti-hero to this disfigured kid. I thought it was an interesting idea, and one not entirely unfounded given how confused and docile he got in The Finale Chapter when Tommy cut his hair and dressed up to look like Jason as a boy.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

That's probably because the Halloween films have such a twisted continuity, that there is more at stack for the comics in trying to make up for all the confusion. At least with Friday you had a linear continuity, with strangling films at the end that just refused to explain things.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

The Halloween comics, but not the film series. That's for sure.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Return, Revenge, and Curse are not that great. Trying to make Michael some supernatural being, who is "cursed" by Thorn? Friday never looked past what it was, and all of them, even the ones that sucked, were still more entertaining than the Halloween movies. When the Halloween movies stopped trying to be entertaining and started trying to go back to their "scary" roots, that was when they started to fail. H20 tries to be more entertainment than anything. The original Halloween, maybe HII, and H20 were certainly better made (I'll even throw in Zombie's remake, because it was a well made film), but none of the middle and certainly not Resurrection. On a plus side, Halloween never ventured into space, so that's an extra point to them.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Fine, then I get to discount Jason X. Or it could be the fact that Michael would never go into space since Michael is theoretically still human. How he would even get into space woud be the questionable part. Plus, Friday has been sifting through the Halloween trash from day 1. Just because they can perfect that trash and turn it into gold doesn't mean it's less film. The three alt-universe films for Halloween bleed together for me. The first starts out interesting, then they just try and drag it on for 2 more films.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

When Jason was created he wasn't even the main character. He was some innocent child who drowned because of some stupid counselors. After that, he was this grown man who witnessed his mother decaptitated and sought revenge on anyone he deemed even remotely responsible. If Jason rips off Michael, then Michael rips off Norman Bates, since he was a twisted momma's boy, serial killer before all of them. :P  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

That may be because Jason had a more clearly defined backstory, whereas Michael was more abiguous so future writers tried to write in their own stuff. Then again, it was Tom McLoughlin (sp) that decided to make Jason all supernatural when he resurrected him. But, in the first four, he was pretty consistent. P.S. You might want to try that Mizbot, that way you don't have to manually archive your page anymore.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

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Your choice. :D I deleted that comment that wasn't signed. I think an IP left it anyway. So what's new on the Smallville front?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Season five finale? I'll just say, all hell breaks lose in that finale. As for Friends, I find it funny...I just don't watch it. If it's on and I have nothing else to watch I might watch it. Kind of like Grey's...funny, just don't typically watch it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

To me, that was Seinfeld. That was/is the best sitcom around. Have you seen the discussion that's happening at WP:NOT regarding WT:NOT#Plot?

It didn't cross into Seinfeld. It had its own spin-off. I'm not aware of it crossing over with any other show though. As far as I can remember, there has never been a Friends cast member on Seinfeld. Frasier was a spin-off from Cheers, again..I don't recall any cross over with that either. The only Fraiser character to appear on Seinfeld was the woman (played by Jane Leeves), and she played Marla the Virgin in Seinfeld.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

That's a loose connection considering that the series basically retcons that "crossover" and turns it more into a joke than an actual connection. Anyway, like I said...very loose connection to Friends. You're pulling a six degrees of Friends here.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a level of connection I tend to ignore. I will most likely go see it, because I loved Casino Royale, so I'm hoping they can keep the momentum going.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is a different director this go round. If it's one thing the Broccoli family does, it's let good talented directors slip away after one outing with Bond. Campbell reinvigorated the Bond franchise with Goldeneye, and then they let him go. that series went down hill. They brought him back for Casino Royale and ... well, we're still waiting to see where this will go.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused, IGN gave it 7/10. Alientraveller (talk) 13:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Confused by something said here, or by IGN's 7 out of 10 rating?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

As in, how was it negative if they gave it 7/10? I'm just being nitpicky though, allegedly anything slightly disappointing can be called negative. Alientraveller (talk) 18:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

So many deaths!

Angel #13! Sob, sob, sob! :( ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 16:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Uni is amazing, extremely time-consuming fun. Fresher's flu, though. The issue was so good, but also so sad. To describe any element would be intensely spoilery. ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 17:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

The only decent issue of the arc, and it was great with symbolism and poignancy and complication. Riley?? Not a shock. Briley, though, ugh. Good plot point though. I like how Twilight's team and Buffy's core four now have something of a parrallel about them (by this inerpretation, whoever Twilight is should be a close foil to Buffy). But, as with the last two issues, Angel trumped again! The Cleveland reference. Another Cordelia. Hysterics.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 19:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

The cover for #17 is fantastic. #18 however, new series with same numbering, lost me. Werecat? No -- werecheetah? Buffyverse? Hardly. You're being too harsh on ATF, it's not just complicated but complex. Charcaterizations work better when you read it in chronological order (Fight Night, Spike, then Angel); a bit like TOYL probably being more solid in TPB. It's still the weakest arc so far. My hopes for #20+ are huge. I'm excited. RE: Letters section, I liked Joss's comparison of Buffy/Angel in season 2 with Phoebe/Cole in Charmed season 3. I don't necessarily think one can hold that against Charmed - those episodes were strong. On another note, I took it this means Joss watched Charmed? Explains "Bran Drain" preceding "Normal Again". ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 01:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Ditto background, and yes it is, but certainly more in modern shows (like "Lost" and "Smallville") then it was in the 90s, with (I'm guessing one of the) Star Trek(s), Buffy and Charmed. Yeah, Captain John did season 2 to season 7 between scenes, which was weird.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

But Maria's hardly gone. She just slipped from regular to recurring. She was in the first 2 episodes, the middle 2 (in America, via webcam and on the phone etc.) and will be in the last 2, as this is her GCSE year, before returning full time if there is a 3rd season.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Rani's good. It's nice having a character who enjoys doing what she's doing. In many ways she's like Martha. In the last episode she even got to time travel (the two best episodes of the show being these, Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane? and The Temptation of Sarah Jane Smith).~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to think she'd stay. Of the Sarah Jane kiddies, I'd like to see what becomes of them as adults, maybe in a comic or a novel as I doubt Doctor Who will touch on it. Adult Clyde fighting aliens on Earth, or Rani working for UNIT or Torchwood, and Luke could very much do the Doctor's job with his intellect (at times, his Doctorishness habit for discerning the solution to complex problems using gobbledegook pseudoscience). I just wish Sarah Jane would kill aliens rather than talk them down. We see her hunting and chasing and blowing things up in brief snippets of what are considered off-screen adventures, but on screen she just reasons with everyone. I know, it's a kid's show, but it tries my patience! Even the Doctor is occasionally more pro-active than this, and he's a pacifist. (Torchwod on te other hand regularly satisfies my blood lust, all the better when it works as a good episode too.)~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:59, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree it would be wrong for the show, but it is what I would find more entertaining. It's also a shame Sarah Jane could never cross over with Torchwood due to the message that would put out and it being the BBC. In a purely fantasy situation (well, fanfiction), I would like Jack to come across one of Sarah Jane's recurring villains and just shoot them, problem solved. I also had an idea for a story (maybe I dreamt it? Gold help me...) where Jack and the team discovered the Graske who served the Trickster dead and then someone (Gwen or Ianto) was protected by the puzzle box from say, the what-could-have-been scenario wherein Jack never met the Doctor/joined Torchwood/reformed/lived.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 01:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Which is irritating! Torchwood is the only place where you could do a character-driven assessment of Jack's relationship with the Daleks (given they killed him!) and analyse them within a philosophical context as opposed to just OH NOES DALEKS, and the need to not get too heavy. I rewatched Human Nature/Family of Blood on iPlayer today. So very, very good. But then apparently RTD says he believes the tone was "too dark" for the show's audience. I personally felt that was THE perfect tone, the one Torchwood should be striving for.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 01:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

The numbered alien cell of Children of Earth seems to follow the terrifying omen at the end of "Sleeper", so I think Torchwood would build on continuity. Daleks possibly, as Jack said "worst creatures imaginable" and was familiar with how to kill Daleks in "Parting", BUT, apparently they captured and tortured Gray in a planet which was like a flesh-suit. Which is unDaleklike. Unless they were conducting some experiment and got Doctor'd, leaving the prisoners stranded? Also, it would work as a great metaphor for religious extremism, but I think it's dangerous territory to write that parallel.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 02:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

We only know the aliens are called 'the 456'. Julie Gardner said that apparently there are lots of red herrings as to whether new members will join, but that the story will focus on the core 3. I think something to the effect of there being new recruits or guest stars in part 5 was banded around imdb gossip boards.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 11:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

By contrast, Freema Agyeman appears in every TV show the BBC puts out these days.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 14:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Buffy and others

So, I was in Best Buy today, picking up Fallout 3 and some ink for my printer and I decided to get some movies. I picked up The Incredible Hulk and Jumper, and what did I spy with my little eye but a copy of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (well, many copies). Anyway, I just put it in (along with the other 2 films) and as I started the film and was watching the opening credits I had an epiphany: The two "stars" of the film, Kristy and Luke, had no real careers, but Hilary Swank (and to a lesser extent David Arquette), who had small roles (really small for Swank...Beny was a little bigger) went on to much better careers. I found that rather hilarious.

Nastalgia, that's all I can say. :D The corny ass cheerleading cheers were one thing. I did notice Affleck in the film (LMAO, Ricki Lake as the waitress was hilarious). Something I did have an appreciation for was the physical stunds Swanson did. She probably did about 95% of the training sequence (the jump of the wall was clearly not her), but most of the fight scenes were - granted they weren't terribly elaborate. I was impressed with her ability to perform the stunts, and it made we wish that they would have SMG do more stunt work on Buffy - like, if you've ever noticed, whenever Buffy has to do high kicks the scene usually cuts to an off angle so the stunt woman can do the martial arts stuff. I'm not knocking SMG's athletic ability, but more the show's lack of having her perform what would be relatively easy stunts. I have to admit, I did like the tender moment she had with Pike at the dance. Stephen Root as the principal was awesome.

Iron Man is awesome. Right now I'm watching Jumper, and I'll probably watch Hulk if I have the time before I go to bed.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

The waitress that tells Pike and Benny that they can get either 2 coffees or a hotdog. Like I said, the stunts were not that elaborate, but they weren't subbing her out for her double for simple martial arts kicks like they often do for SMG in Buffy. Plus, you have to admit, the jump kick Swanson does to the heavy bag is pretty cool for a run of the mill actress. Hell, I couldn't even do it as well as she did.

I thought Merricks death was slightly corny, the way it all played out (not the idea behind it), but I think I prefer that over shooting himself. I like the lines about doing it all wrong, it's something that really carried over into the show. Speaking of, why did they drop the "cramps as a warning sign" in the show? They seemed to basically establish that as long as he didn't interfere then they wouldn't mess with him either. I love the part when Root is, "Detention. Detention. Detention. Dention dention." LOL. I just find it funny that he was so out of touch, and yet felt like he was their "cool dude" friend. I love his speech to the news at the end, where he's like, "They all learned a lesson today. Well, not the dead ones. Well, yeah the dead ones learned it, but just didn't have time to impliment it." LMAO. His psychodelic trip at Woodstock.

Jumper is alright. You really don't care about the character, because he's basically an ass. There are things about him that could have easily been used to develop sympathy for the character, but they seemed abandoned. Plus, I have beef with the idea that he leaves the girl he loves (though, she doesn't know that he loves her) and 8 years go by and yet she hasn't found someone else? Then she up and leaves with him to Rome and sleeps with him the first night? Seriously? Maybe, but only if you establish that she has been pining over him for just as long as he has her since he left town eight years prior. It was still enjoyable, but not the best movie.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to watch the film, as I cannot find a clip on YouTube of her training. I think the film had a lower budget than the TV did, LMAO.

I loved The Incredible Hulk. It wasn't perfect, but it was way better than Ang Lee's film. Sometimes the CGI could be distracting, because it was poor, but other times it actually looked really good. I liked Norton as Banner, and plus you know that I loved those 70s TV show moments (like the old Bill Bixby show Banner was watching, or the "Lonely Man" theme playing in the background).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, the last act with Abomination and Hulk was a CGI smashfest, but the rest of the film isn't. To me, they managed to show a better connection not just between Betty and Bruce, but Betty and the Hulk as well. I didn't feel like I was watching Fay Wray and King Kong, but more Christine Daae and The Phantom. The scene where it's raining and the Hulk takes Betty to the cave really showed how much Betty could care for a man that turned into a raging beast (against his will). You wanna talk about CGI smashfest, what about those stupid mutant dogs and Bruce's father in the first film? That was some silly CGI fights. I'm not doing anything for Halloween, but getting in a car and driving down south to see my g/f.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

No, too many miles away. It's a 5 hour drive. I'm actually deciding that I'm not leaving till Saturday.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

LOL. I can attest to people wanting to do that to me. But I have tons of statistics and historical background to support my decision as more than just "stupid college boy who is too lazy to vote". And it's more than just "I don't like the candidates", though, the thought did cross my mind to just write my own name on the ballot.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure Obama and McCain voted for themselves. IMO, I'm just as, or even more qualified to run this country because I haven't been tainted by years of servitude to their respective parties. I'm middle ground, with views on both sides, and rather open minded. ;) Anyway, what ya think about the new Hellraiser page I am working on. I need to clean up that "fan films" section...not sure what reliable sourcse I will be able to get (if those that are listed don't do the job) to support the inclusion of those films.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Being based on the book won't make this a franchise, but if I can find those comics and other similar stuff that was based on the film series then I will rename it. Doesn't the Buffy page have fan fiction? I'm going to go through all the sources and if it looks like they're merely using the film's own page to promote the fan fict then it's gone. I'm going to be looking for coverage from more reliable, and professional sources.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

The book will probably be mentioned in any "Development" section that I can create based on whatever sources I find. Nice. So what do you think about Akkad saying they are going forth with a new Halloween sequel?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I would really not like to see any new film. I felt like Zombie ended his in a way that was appropriate, and didn't do the cliched thing of leaving it open for a sequel. I think killing Laurie in the beginning would be a "shocker", but I don't know what sense it would make for Annie to take over the primary story. It's clearly established in the Zombie's film that Michael's motivation all revolves around Laurie. Yes, he kills others but it's always part of the greater picture of getting to and protecting Laurie (till she tries to kill him). It wouln't make sense for an Annie story if Laurie is dead.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:42, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Not for awhile. I mean, you're going into your tenth film and you've already abandoned two storylines. Your last film ended on a definitive note. What else is there really to tell? If they had made it so it could be continued, then yeah, I'd want more. But, Michael has always had storylines (whether convulted or not), unlike Jason where there was never a central story that carried from film to film. You could butcher teenagers all day long and it's generically always the same each time.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:07, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

That's just it, Halloween always has a central storyline that carries the sequels. Granted they abandoned one storyline and picked up with a new one as a continuity from a separate point. They could, and I don't say "retcon" because it wasn't 100% definitive that Laurie shot Michael in the face, film a new "angle" on the ending of the first film and pick up from there, but what exactly would the story be? In the original, it had a "natural" continuation, because Michael's body was already missing from where he landed. With RZH, it's not so clear where you would go from there (which is why I respected Zombie for not making a film that could easily carry on with sequels).

Like I said, Friday always had the vague central stories (basically, Jason guarding Crystal Lake), that could easily be done over and over again infinitly. Depending on how Nispel ends this new film, they may not have an opening for another film. As far as I know, since they are starting over, Jason is back to his "human" form and thus can be hurt and killed. Plus, Nispel is also the person that cut off Leatherface's arm in the Texas remake, thus ending the possibility of doing a sequel (which is why they had to do a prequel). I just don't want Halloween to turn into Hellraiser, where it's just a title tacked onto some individual story, with a cameo from Michael at the very end to give you some reprieve that it actually is a Halloween movie.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:46, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Bond

Something old, something new, which is all expected considering how 007 progressed over the first film: Bond isn't as overtly sloppy an assassin as he was in CR, his anger is more internalised and he learns to practise more moral restraint and respect those who aid him. Craig is just as good. Is it the same style as CR? As I've said on Bignole's page, it's not drastic, but something new goes a long way; almost as violent but brisker and more stylish. It's not a big deal, Forster isn't Joel Schumacher. Alientraveller (talk) 19:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Invisible cars isn't Bond. :P CR wasn't anything new in the series in stripping away the sci-fi, farcial jokes and gadgets excess of a previous film, but it caused controversy in that by golly, Cubby Broccoli's kids realised you can experiment with a Bond film just as he did. Q didn't appear in one film, M didn't appear in one, Roger Moore never said "shaken not stirred": part of the fun of new Bond films following Craig's debut is seeing what they check off and don't. Would I like a villain who is capable of destroying the world? Why not, if it's as realistic as the Large Hadron Collider. Would I like David Arnold to play the James Bond Theme over an action scene? Yes please. People like to blame concepts as campy when something goes wrong, but a film goes wrong because it's badly done, not because you're cursed if you introduce Robin into a Batman film. Alientraveller (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and most critics lack the Bond humour, hence the reviews. I find it funny when Bond kills without thinking. "Sadism for the whole family." Alientraveller (talk) 19:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

There wasn't a bare obvious "Stephanie Broadchest" joke like in CR, but the audience certainly loved about a joke "handcuffs" though. I won't spoil it for you. And as usual Bond likes to break cover when booking hotels, you'll see. Alientraveller (talk) 21:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

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Buffy and Andrew (yay Andrewness) issue set in Italy where they're hunting down Simone! Gonna be good.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 02:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Haha. The fact that it is a failing school is SOO notable though... so is all the stuff about Christian fundamentalists buying it out, the national controversy about our 'explicit' sex ed lessons, the two convicted pedophile sex offenders and last year's murder. I could actually make it a noteworthy article... but can I be bothered?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 02:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Halloween

I noticed, it looks good. Good find. I'll look it over later. As for the pdf cite, you'd just use the "cite web" and add a "format" field and put "PDF" in there.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

My guess is that Hutchinson probably does a lot of interviews so that he can increase his publicity. As for Sam, it's it an online comic? Comics don't have to be physical books. I mean, don't they list it as a comic on their website?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, what is it then? Yeah, I read it...I believe you sent me the link so I could download it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Online stories is fine. As for the plot of "Laurie", there doesn't need to be anything that detailed. A basic idea of what the story is about, we don't need to know what happens. As horrible as it sounds, they are "less" important than the films. But, if you need a little extra then take it, the page itself has the room. From what I read, you seem to cover the idea of what happens in the comic rather well.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

You might as well go ahead and break it up. What I would do is take all the Sam info and put it after the comic book section. Then, instead of just "To remedy this", I would add clarification as to what is being remedied. You don't need any follow up in the comic section from where you cut the info, but you'll need clarification as to what you're talking about in the new section.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

That's cool too. I didn't read it all word for word, so I thought it was first talking about another comic. Looking good though.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and added some information. It's not a lot, but it gives you something.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I highly doubt Campbell could play Ash again, he's rather large and slow now. I mean, maybe he could, but it would be like watching Sean Connery play James Bond again.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:23, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I believe there were many rumblings about Evil Dead IV a while back. Raimi was to direct it and produce the remake, which would not featured Ash. Weird, yes? Alientraveller (talk) 21:52, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but the first one in that list failed miserably. And you have to remember that these are more established "actors" than Bruce Campbell. Evil Dead only really has cult followings. I don't see how Pinhead could ever be in the a movie with them, just like I don't see how Michael Myers could either. The irony is, Michael started it all between those big heavy hitters (I don't think of Leatherface that way, because he didn't gain any notoriety till these three had done their thing), yet, Freddy and Jason are arguably more well known. As for FvJvA 2, that's already in the works from what I've read.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Based on what it cost to make, it was a failure. Plus, it was a critical flop as well. At least Rocky Balboa and Live Free or Die Hard were decently reviewed (the former even being cited as being as good as the original...which it was). Because, Pinhead doesn't even have a huge role in his own films, what would he do in their film? Noooo...when I said a sequel in development I meant FvJvA 2, not FvJ 2.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:44, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering that myself. The only way he could kick their ass is if they opened the puzzle box, and lets face it, Jason really isn't into Rubik's cubes. lol. Plus, that's assuming those chains are so powerful that Jason and his super strength couldn't just break them. Pinhead doesn't have any other abilities. He isn't super strong. He doesn't "teleport" around a room. He appears out of nowhere, but it isn't like he's a ghost. Another comic book.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Apart from Hellraiser III, when he was completely out of the box, his powers are limited to the dimension that he resides in. There, he has control over those hell-chains, and he can warp reality, but other than that he really doesn't have a lot of "power". His power comes from creating a living hell for you to live in. In an FvJ sequel, that's covering ground already covered in the first when Freddy made Jason live out his worst nightmare - drowning as a child. Was Ash's car the Sam Raimi car?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I prefer his mannerism, but he didn't add any real depth to the character. It's cool to see Jason use his brute strength a lot, and that's what I like. I have high hopes for Derek Mears in the new film. From that they say, and the way it looks, we may both get what we want. I'm sure he'll get it back somehow. I believe it's the same writers that are doing the sequel.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:06, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, The Final Chapter is my favorite. To me, it managed to capture a more real sense of creepyness, and actually build some tension. I mean, it IS still a Friday the 13th movie, but it performed the formula better than the others. Jason is still human at this point, he's chasing after his victims, actually crying out when hurt (well, in a muffled sort of way, since he has a mask on). To quote: "That film, in the unrated cut, has the ridiculously awesome tent spike kill. I was watching it for the first time some ten years ago with my then girlfriend in Canada, and her grandmother, a cute little Indian woman who spoke very little English, who decided to join us at that point, and I was floored and she was quiet. Too quiet. Needless to say I ejected the VHS straight away..."  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

At least neither is as bad as the chase scene in Part 2, where it seems like she ran forever, going nowhere and just stumbled upon the shack. I think The Final Chapter was the first one to be as "scary" (I use that lightly) as the original film, whereas all the others weren't really "scary". No, the tent spike kill is where "Jason" (really the doctor), shoves a tent spike through the tent wall and into the chest of a girl as she's riding cowgirl on her boyfriend. Then he pulls the spike straight up and she splits in half.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Final act and final chase aren't quite the same. The final act as a whole is pretty good, but the chase is just ridiculous. I thought it was funny that his girl's grandmother was watching just at that moment.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I think you were looking forward to this. And this is what I'm looking forward to. Also, it appears that Xander has come back to the vampire side of life.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Um, you might be able to use the source. I mean, it appears that they are getting their info straight from Hutchinson. Laurie doesn't look all that good in the comic version. I wonder why they couldn't get JLC's likeness. You have to remember that Brendon is pretty old now, close to 40. It's just starting to show.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

That's certainly no problem. I have uploaded them to the HorrorWiki page and linked them on your profile talk page. (P.S. Since I don't frequent the HorrorWiki page (though, I've apparently had an account there for awhile), send me any correspondance regarding stuff on that site through Wikipedia.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah. See, I haven't read the comic since I bought the DVD and I didn't re-read it when I was scanning the images. I saw that there were only two pages of dead women in the book, so I figured that his girl must have been a teacher and I just didn't remember that (I think she was just a model, right?). Yeah, I have one at the Smallville Wiki. I don't know where I originated my Wikia account at, so... Doesn't really matter. Too bad the Wikia pages aren't connected to Wikipedia, because that would be nice.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:59, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

My thoughts are that he actually becomes more sympathetic as the series goes on, even that made-for-tv sequel (which I don't think they included in your set, did they?). People will often try and take advantage of his mental state, and it seems to just push him further into psychosis. It's sad that Anthony Perkins really isn't known for anything else, because he's actually a pretty good actor.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

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I can't remember if it retcons anything. What it is is a prequel, of sorts. It's basically Norman recounting the events that led up to his fixation with his mother, and the psychosis that followed. I wouldn't mind getting all of them myself.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. Maybe if they release them all in paperback I'll get them, when I have the money, and catch up on all the Halloween canon. Who was "Will" again? I don't remember what happened in Psycho III, so I cannot remember how good/bad it actually was.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:17, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. Part 2 is much better than Part 3, which just becomes a bit annoying, at least, to me Andy was more annoying. It seemed like he had gotten braver and smarter in the second one, but lost some of that in the third film. Bride should make you laugh, as it was intended to be a horror comedy.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

It just seemed like at times he reverted back to a scared kid. Plus, I didn't like the replacement Andy. I never cared for Justin Whalin as a replacement Jimmy Olsen either. I wouldn't say "Bride" is the best, because it's almost like a completely different movie, because IT IS a completely different feel to that franchise.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I like the slap in the fact the movie gives the character, by basically using self-deprication to show how old and out of touch with horror Chucky really is. Did you catch the Pinhead reference? I love the line about how it would take three or four movies to tell his story. Yeah, but what's having a gay character for if you're going to cream him with a semi-truck in the end? Stu being gay for Billy? I could totally see that. Plus, they completely play up that angle in the first Scary Movie, though, in the reverse, with the "Billy" character being in-love with the "Stu" character.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The original film was considered to be rather scary, though, in today's world that isn't the case so much. I think he's the least respected because he is the least menacing. It's like having a black guy in your movie just so you can appease the NAACP, and then killing him off because you "can't have a black guy lead" (occassionally this rule is broken, but generally not...the only film that immediately comes to mind is the House on Haunted Hill remake.

Oh come on, you can't kill Dewey. He's probably the most innocent character out of them all. My problem with Scream 2 is, what the hell are the chances that Mikey and Billy's mom would actually find each other on the internet, and they'd both want to kill/get revenge on the people responsible for Bill's death? I mean, seriously? I could see Mikey as a stand along killer, who is just so obsessed that he tries to copycat the murders, and I can see Billy's mom being so psychotic that when she learns about what happened to Billy that she decides to make Sydney pay - seeing as it is her family that is brought so much harm to the Loomis family. To be frank, I don't think they should make another film. Is Wes that starved for a successful film that he'll revert back to Scream?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Depends on who is making it. They tend to fare well in Romero's movies, but not in that Dawn of the Dead remake. I think they were all dead in Shawn of the Dead. LOL. Yeah, Busta should have been toast. I was annoyed by the retcon of Syndey having a brother, who is also a psycho. I mean, seriously. Most kids hold normal resentment for their siblings who were favored, what the hell are the chances that he's going to be so pissed that he becomes a murderer?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Moreen being a slut, not a surprise. Roman being a psycho, there needs to be serious maltreatment on him as a child to bring that out, not just his simple "Oh, I stopped by and she was like, 'Get Lost'". Hot Fuzz is awesome. Where Shawn of the Dead is 100% British humor, which I love, Hot Fuzz was picked up by a bigger distributor so they had to incorporate more Americanized humor into it. So, the first half is really Brit humor, whereas the second half starts to utilize more Americanish humor (if you know what I mean). But, it doens't feel like a complete stop from one to the other, but a nice blending of the two.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we don't, but you think he'd mention that given that he was so pressed to tell Sydney about how Moreen basically told him to piss off when he tried to reconnect with her. If his childhood was so messed up, then reconnecting with Mommy Dearest wasn't going to stop him from becoming a psycho. It may have delayed, or surpressed certain urges, but he still would have been a little unhinged. Fuzz is a bit long for a comedy, but it's worth it. I think you've mentioned Spaced before. Only 14 episodes? Wasn't a long series.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, Billy's motives for killing Sydney was based on his mom leaving, but him being a psycho was based on the then, and somewhat still present, belief that violent movies make people violent. He was like the epitome of that theory, both him and Stu. He even makes reference to it when Sydney says that very same thing and he claims it was always there, the movies just made him more creative. Yeah, I didn't like Danny's fake death, but I loved how the leader of the NWA ended up setting off the ocean mine. Timothy Dalton's fall onto the house spike was crazy. LMAO, "P. I. Staker".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I think Mikey was a replication of Billy. Billy and Stu were often making pop culture references. Hell, Billy has that talk with Syd about watching whatever movie it was and how the TV cut out all the good stuff. Billy, Stu, AND Randy were all the same, it's just that Randy didn't go psycho. Spoken and read have slightly different effects. I never enjoyed the Urban Legend sequels. The first wasn't bad for those 90's horror flicks, but I don't know if it's worth my money to buy it. At least not immediately.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Look at the two characters. They were both in love with movies. They used the Ghostface mask to kill Syd's friends and terrorize her, and then they resort to using a handgun in the final act (which is also true for Roman...but didn't Syd actually bring the gun to that fight? I think Scream 2 did a better job of illustrating the theme of art/reality - reality/art. The first was "original", whereas the sequels just reiterate the same shit. Plus, the first had Michael Rosenbaum in it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Did Roman really fall into it? I mean, he was making a movie but for all we know that was merely a cover to draw Syd out. I don't recall him spouting movie pop culture at people.

I was referring to the UL sequels. Rosenbaum always looks weird with hair, because he's spent so long being bald.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but he didn't seem to have the same obsession as Billy or Mikey. Seems like this theme of "movies" is just overdone in that series of movies.

Interesting turn of events. That really doesn't look like Willow or Buffy in that picture. LOL. Speaking of TV shows, how's Smallville coming? I'm on a Shield re-binge. I'll probably start watching season five here soon since my classes are going to end this week.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:49, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Different theme. I'm referring to the "movie" theme associated directly to the killers, not the overall "movie" theme associated with the film itself. As we were discussing the killers' obsession with movies. There are other ways to keep the overall theme of the movie but not reuse the same tired theme of some deranged young adult who one too many horror films.

Season eight has been doing surprisingly well for my standards. If you recall, I didn't have a lot of high hopes for the season, but I'm finding it to be one of my favorites. The Clark/Lois relationship completely blows the Clark/Lana relationship out of the water, and watching the two of them basically fall in-love with each other was well worth the 3 season wait (since her introduction in season four). Doomsday officially appeared in the last, mid-season cliffhanger episodes (two Thursdays ago). He looks like his comic book counterpart, as far as I can tell (he was in the dark mostly, but what you can see you clearly can tell he is designed directly from the comics). I still believe that the only way that that character isn't a complete wash, even though he is growing on me (more Davis than Doomsday, given that Doomsday has only appeared officially once), is if he and Clark have a knock-down-drag-out fight. Something more momentous than Smallville has done with any other villain on the show. As for mind-raping Chloe, there were circumstances that led to that decision, and it was a tough one for him to make (you clearly see that when he's doing it, as he battles with the decision), but ultimately he did it more for her than for himself. So far, it's stuck (but it's only been 2 episodes) and I have a feeling that it won't stick for the remainder of the season. There were clear loopholes in the event (not plot errors as much as they were intended loopholes) when it occurred.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 06:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm being realistic to a better than average made slasher trilogy.

I don't know yet, it depends on how this season closes, and what they want to do with a ninth season. I'm all for the "quit while your ahead", but who is to say that next season won't be even further "ahead" than this season. It's always a gamble. I don't care as much about how long they continue the show, so much as I care about whether it is their choice to end it (or at least, they know enough time in advance to officially end the show). The fights in Smallville are better than the fights in any of the Superman movies. It's a show. TV fights rarely get movie quality to them, but Smallville has had some good ones. Clark's fight with Titan is pretty good (though it has a lame ending)...that's season six for you. He's got a decent fight with Bizarro in season seven. It's the early ones that look like they were stolen from T2, where they are basically slamming each other into walls.

You have to realize, his secret what causing her a lot of harm. You'd probably better understand once you see season eight, because it wasn't like he just went up to Jor-El had said, "take her memories". There was a lot of shit that led up to this decision. That being said, I'm pretty sure that if/when she gets her mems back she'll probably say the same thing you just said, that he didn't have a right to take them from her. He mentioned it to Lana, when she returned in the last episode, and she basically said the same thing. I'm sure it will put tension on their relationship, but, immediately after that moment, it was good for her. She made a comment that she felt like some huge weight had been lifted off of her, but she didn't know what it was.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:40, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

To me that says a lot given that Smallville works on a shoe-string budget, while the Superman films had millions of dollars. I think, once you get to season eight, you'll understand why Clark make the same choice the Doctor made. There's a reason to his madness, even if it wasn't truly a choice he should have made. Sometimes, desperate times call for desperate measures, and Clark was certainly in a desperate moment when he took Chloe's memories. Interesting interview about the new F13.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I think Doomsday is a hard character to use regardless of the medium. Comics were the best place for him originally, kind of like how doing a FvJvA comic was the best medium for that concept. We'll see how well they actually do him on Smallville when we actually get to see more of him. Yeah, in Superman II, Lois learns Clark's secret, but it puts her in harms way so at the end of the film Clark comes up to her in the office and kisses her, and she forgets the past few days. Dubbed the "super-kiss", it was one of the most lauded elements in Richard Lester's version of Superman II.

I don't think they mean it as in you're going to hate him when you're watching him, but more along the lines that you aren't going to be sitting there going, "Awww, he's just a misunderstood child". At the same time, you aren't (from what I gather from that movie) going to be seeing him torturing animals either. They want to give you backstory, but they also want to keep him a mystery to some degree. The more I read about it the more I feel like this might just be one the better F13s to come out. I hate comparing movies are different generations, because the feel is so different. I love the part in that interview where they were talking about all the sex and the execs were like, "You can't have more than 3 pumps, the MPAA won't allow it". I about cracked up. Anyway, I'm looking forward to this interpretation, as I actually enjoyed Fuller and Form's Texas Chainsaw Massacre.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

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The characters has changed over time. When he first appeared he was just a lumbering hulk, who had been tortured so heavily that he was basically full of rage and nothing else - no actual analytical thought processing. Later, he eventually gained intelligence. In Smallville, his "human" side seems to be more of a disguise for who he really is, though, unknown to him. His backstory is that he is the genetic creation of Faora and General Zod, sent to Earth to be its ultimate destroyer in the case that Zod was imprisoned in the Phantom Zone. He was sent as DNA, and so, I take it that because of that reason he had to physically replicate the dominant species on this planet to blend in until his "true self" was awakened.

Yeah, the MPAA have some serious issues, and they are generally inconsistent with their ratings. They're virtually harder on horror and action than they are on some drama that might contain some of the same elements. I think in the book Cunningham or Miner might have commented on the double standard that Jaws got when it went to the MPAA and their film went to the MPAA (as Jaws is rated PG), yet contains some pretty horrific moments.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

The shark attacks a little boy. At least no children are killed in F13. Plus, there's the scenes with the severed leg, when the shark bits the boater. Ben Gardner's head falling out of the bottom of his boat. Quint being slapped back and forth as the shark tears into his abdomen. That's some pretty violent stuff for a PG movie. The film should have at least been a PG-13 movie.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but there is a difference between showing a human doing it in an isolated setting, and showing an animal killing a child in a location that is frequented by children. Anyone can get a gun, it's isn't that hard in the US. I mean, look at The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, that film probably had less blood and violence than Jaws, and it was hit with the R.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello Paul730,

I'm new on Wiki-world and I'm very curios because I've heard that my favorite movies of my youth are supposed to be continued. That means I've heard that they want to start making MyGirl3 featuring Anna Chlumsky. Furthermore I've heard that production begins this winter on Anna Chlumsky's bithday. Is there anyway to find out if it is going to happen or if it's just another hoax. Thank you. Ti602Na (talk) 17:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Buffy

Have you seen Harmony's myspace? It's great, but a little lacking. Also, I was looking at your Buffy article and wondered if you were working on a cultural impact/popular culture section? Buffy as the feminist icon is a big topic. If you like, I have Oxford "Full Text" access to most PDFs on Google Scholar, if you'd like me to send you any! ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 17:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Can you give my Cordelia re-write a once-over/proof-read/criticism, please? :)~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 17:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Omg, I'd thought about the Angel similarities so many times! That's amazing. I'll probably buy The Torchwood Archives for its canony goodness, but nothing particularly useful there. Please add everything you can! :D~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

The reception of Buffy and therefore Buffy, or Torchwood therefore Jack is easy to find. But Cordelia would be a nightmare - 1997-2003 wasn't the age it is now, where every TV episode is reviewed in a multitude of places. Do you have any recommendations? And is that the full Jack/Angel comparison? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

You're completely right on all those counts - and thank you so much for the generous barnstar! I know that it needs copyediting: the poor prose style is a consequence of building it up from bare bones notes and into a prose. I'll get crazy with the citations soon, it's just a mammoth job of compiling dates/times/directors. I think the storyline adjustment can probably be cited to a commentary, but I'm well aware the source is currently absent. You've made such an improvement to the lead section too! Also, are you interested in this one? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 16:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Just because he doesn't have many appearances so it should be fairly easy to summarise his appearances, with detail. Plus there should be lots of stuff on fans not liking the character (or Kate in Angel), him being the anti-Angel, and all the things he represents in being the traditionally, institutional (read boring) male in Buffy.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 16:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, did you read the new Buffy and Angel? I didn't like Loeb's Buffy thing - it felt like the first 2 minutes of a cartoon with no reward (the "but you've only been asleep for a few seconds" line being the only thing that makes you think it was not just a dream), but the new Angel was really good if not only extremely sad! But, Spike talks about Asylum, making that edge closer and closer to canon status.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 16:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

And Groo. But no one cares.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 17:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I kept thinking one of the Slayers was Nina. Maybe she'll get slain? Or run into traffic. What do you want Oz's life to be like in Espenson's arc: should he have full control of his condition? developed any new skills? werewolf band of friends? want Willow back? should he be married? should he be gay?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 17:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I read those too. It'll be interesting to see what Jane does. Also! What do you think of the news that Torchwood will end after its fourth season, and SJA its third, to make Moffat's Who run less complicated?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 18:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I hope they don't end it with Jack becoming Boe and the team being replaced. They should keep them around in a we'll-keep-doing-what-we're-doing way, so that once a year or so we can have a Torchwood catch-up in Doctor Who and see how they're all doing :P. Or maybe the occasional straight-to-DVD movie, Battlestar style. Or, as was the case with Doctor Who, the inevitable audio and literature continuations. And actually, were the novels written properly and by good authors, Torchwood and its themes would be better suited to the novel. It's just annoying that all the current Torchwood books are clearly aimed at younger teenagers (a la the Buffy and Charmed books) and no one dares write a proper, fully-fleshed one.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 18:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, they'd make a goldmine if they actually acquired the rights to those characters. But, to write for Jack pre-TW must be a nightmare, given his hectic and confusing personal timeline!~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 18:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

You too! And very much so. According to the 'Fear Factor' spoilers, there is a scene where one of the Doctors remembers his regeneration. Whether it's McGann-to-Eccleston or Tennant-to-Morrissey is not known yet, but it's definitely worth a squeal either way!~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Xmas Who

Saw it on a day, it was let down by the need to make it accessible to younger kids. You can clearly sense with RTD that the scope of his ambition is choked by his obligation to write for multiple viewerships. I like Jackson Lake. I like the idea that all over time and space (at least in the RTD era), the Doctor is leaving little Doctor-lite heroes everywhere to save the world. Like little uncommissioned spin-offs (like what you said earlier about Oz's Werewolf Chronicles), we can imagine the Jackson Lake Adventures (featuring Rosita!) and Jenny in Space!. I think I've said before, it's a shame that Doctor Who novels aren't written as novels anymore (like Who Killed Kennedy and the oldies).

I thought Mercy Hartigan was so interesting, but there's been no comment on what is essentially the feminism-gone-wrong monstrous-feminine, like the subconscious male fear of women seeking domination of men. It's a shame Doctor Who isn't analysed to the extent that Buffy is! Oh and those were some great edits to the Ianto article - I copied them for the Jack one too. ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 15:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Miss Hartigan is a beaten and abused prostitute, so downtrodden by men that she's driven to hysterically mad actions and the end is ironically transformed into a man in order to gain power over them. It wasn't executed as well as it could have been, but Davies couldn't out-and-out say she was a prostitute in the episode, only hint at it unsubtly. As for fan opinions, couldn't it be something like "Walker relates fan opinions of the character which vary from... to..." with very tidy snippets and lots of paraphrasing? The Gwen stuff would be fantastic, because she seems so despised by the gay fans (as far as AfterElton blog comments tell me) who resent her as pushing in on "Janto", by straight male fans who think she's annoying, unqualified etc. and by female fans who resent her for being so useless, morally reckless and emotional. OH! and do you have any sources referring to Jack's willingness to kill, or his rarer heterosexual relationships?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 16:49, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Few instant thoughts: big nose, big brow, childlike oldlike, creepy odd handsome-not-handsome. Probably an excellent Doctor, though. And I like his hair. And the more I think about it, he's the kind of handsome guy you'd bring home to your mother but wouldn't notice at a club. Marry, Shag or Kill, it would sooner be marry. Doctorwise, I'm sure Moffat knows what he wants and he's fine but inevitably the fans take it as a sign of the apocalypse. I'm more excited about Demons, on in 4 minutes - British Buffy ripoff, sexy cast (well, not Glenister), plus big guns. Made of win (or attempt at win).~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 19:16, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

It's like Moffat cloned and combined Tennant and Peter Davison! Alientraveller (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Demons really WAS awful. OH. OH DEAR. No, no no. That was bad, that was bad. I hated the credits etc. too. And the stupid "we don't name demons... but we have a massive Bod-sized library on them, and we give them classifications, and we invent ray guns to kill them." Also: SMITERS? Yeah, yeah, you're just trying to avoid words like 'slayer', aren't you, ITV? Oh SHAME though, the boy is hot. Down to the cute sparse little hairs on his pecs. Want. Sigh.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Inevitably, I will watch maybe one more but as soon as I get back to uni then I will stop watching all TV. Were I able to watch ITV (BBC and Channel 4 of course having handy players), I'd probably lose interest. AfterElton will inform me if any important gay scenes happen (HA...) and if Cooke ever gets naked, I'll download that episode. Also: let's just turn everything round yeah? An AMERICAN guy travels to ENGLAND to train up an ENGLISH vampire-killer who's a BOY. *rolls eyes* I dislike the cynicism these shows are created with - "Buffy was successful, let's do a show with monsters." At least with Doctor Who and even Torchwood, it's made by people who really love what they're making and have some sort of vision for what and how they want their characters to feel, to experience, to grow.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC) ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Halloween

Maybe. It could also be Zombie just filling people's heads with nonsense while he films the movie. Remember, at one point everyone thought they would abandon the old theme altogether. I'm fine with Zombie making the movie, but if it's one of those "Laurie becomes the killer", or "Michael is a figment of her imagination", then I won't like it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:02, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

That is a potential problem, and maybe Zombie will listen to all the criticism he got from the last one because of that stuff. First, Laurie is a twig. How menacing is a 5ft nothing, 90lb girl in a white mask? Seriously? Don't bring up Betsy Palmer, because there is a difference. She was creepy, not menacing - plus, no mask. I doubt Zombie will do anything but maybe take a couple of death scenes from the later sequels though. Maybe the comment is being interpreted wrong. Maybe it isn't that it will be Laurie the killer, but that the film will be focused on Laurie and the events will be transpiring around her. Like, with the remake it was really all from Michael's POV. If he doesn't it from Laurie's POV, you actually see less of the violence and more of the aftermath - which could be genuinely scarier (depending on how well he pulls it off...if that's even what he is thinking).

I didn't find it all that funny, probably because I was distracted by how much of a mess it is. There are parts that are funny, but I felt like they took what Ronny Yu did in Bride and tried to make fun of that. It went from making fun of itself, to making fun of making fun of itself.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

We'll have to just wait and see what Zombie does. Have you seen the already flooding of H2 links and additions to the franchise, remake and template pages? I think I might need your help corralling all of those edits until they actually start making the movie.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

May 2009

Have you seen the trailers for X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Terminator Salvation yet? Alientraveller (talk) 20:26, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm just really amazed watching McG progress from action comedy spoofs (I had faith, but to actually watch it) and see the story progress with the repercussions of time travel. As for Wolverine, the only thing I'm really concerned about is having him fight guys like Blob, Deadpool and Gambit who weren't even Team X members (granted, I prefer the latter two over Agent Zero). Obviously the movie should really be called X-Men Origins / Wolverine because it seems like it'll form a loose trilogy with Magneto and First Class, where filmmakers can introduce new characters to build upon in an eventual X-Men 4. Imagine Gambit bursting through Xavier's door looking for the 'hero' who tried to kill him. Cameos are neat but they're not the potential problem; what will be curious though is how they're substituting Stryker for Sinister in the formation of Cyclops' early life.

I wanna hear you praise Schreiber and Huston as Sabretooth and Stryker. I just loved the way Huston purrs when he asks what Wolverine wants on his new tags. And Jackman looked utterly terrifying when he got shot. I also cannot wait to see Wolverine's full history too. Alientraveller (talk) 22:52, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, what concerned me what Origin wasn't go to be adapted because a 2006 Benioff script review had kid Logan in modern times. Benioff was writing from the heart because he identified with Wolverine as a working class Canadian, before he researched how the character is the superheroic version of the Man With A Mysterious Past. So I'm glad Wolvie's age is there, hopefully his real name will be there, and they're going with Sabretooth as his half-brother.

Like I said, it's Stryker, not Sinister, who manipulates Cyclops as a kid in the film series. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out and affects the way we see Cyke in the films: he's pissed the guy who rescued him as a teen can't remember him, can't tell him because Xavier needs Wolvie, and is hitting on his girlfriend. Alientraveller (talk) 23:25, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep in mind Fox commissioned Wolverine and Magneto while X3 was in pre-production. I think X-Men is a franchise that's always been good with spin-offs; Bryan Singer's Trekkish approach wasn't going to quite work since X-Men characters do not have a fixed roster that only varies across different decades or age, unlike the Enterprise crews. I always thought making a Young X-Men spin-off was a good option to manage the sheer amount of character, and now it seems like their only sequel option now Xavier (well, officially), Cyclops and Jean are dead! Alientraveller (talk) 17:02, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The problem with First Class is how much of it could overlap with Magneto. Beast (another mutant who was being manipulated by an evil force before he met Xavier) was in one draft of the script – which makes sense considering Kelsey Grammar is much older than the other cast members, and the movie is primarily set in 1962). But a First Class which is a sequel, rather than prequel, could allow a great filmmaker to really explore Kitty and Colossus. Get Mr. Whedon on the phone!

Are you a Deadpool fan? I'm not quite familiar with him since he's never been in a cartoon, but I laughed my head off reading his article. I know you like She-Hulk, so surely you like another fourth wall breaking character? Alientraveller (talk) 15:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

It's avaliable online I presume? I look forward to watching it. Alientraveller (talk) 19:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

If Joss Whedon clueless with deadlines because comics is not his general area of work, or has he become sloppy since Firefly didn't find a big audience? Alientraveller (talk) 18:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

At least he bothers, unlike Damon Lindelof's attempt at Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk. Biting the hand that feeds is fun for a lot of people, maybe Whedon enjoys it (Roberto Orci enjoys reading negative fan posts as much as positive ones, makes him less complacent). The movie world (where turtle pace is ideal for something that's only two hours) is very different from the comic world (speedy pace = loooong trade paperbacks), that's for sure. Alientraveller (talk) 18:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Coincidentally, I flipped through a copy of Unstoppable today, I read Dangerous and Torn, which were quite good, especially how Wolverine turned into his young self and that line about Beast eating him or something. If Marvel chose to make Astonishing a self-contained series like All Star Superman or something, would your complaints be better addressed? Unfortunately, they only seem to want two continuities. Alientraveller (talk) 19:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Astonishing was about Cyclops's team though (directly following on from Grant Morisson's New X-Men), Rogue was featured in another title. Hehe, I once spent a lot of time once keeping track of the X-Men's organisation over the years. They're not like other fictional teams, who simply change, split (Avengers) or expand to ridiculous sizes only to be all killed to make way for new toys special teams (Transformers). Alientraveller (talk) 21:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I suppose Marvel's feeling new readers will wonder where their favorite characters went to, but comics are becoming more of a niche despite the popularity of the films, so really... Alan Moore did once say in a foreword to TDKR that superheroes unfortunately lack an Omega despite constant retellings of their Alphas. Ageing seems to work for most movie heroes though, I wouldn't mind the mainstream comics with a Batman in his late '40s. Alientraveller (talk) 22:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Christmas

Going to a Midnight carol service, and then try to catch up on sleep before Doctor Who and Wallace and Gromit. Alientraveller (talk) 20:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Haven't heard about that, always lovely to hear references to previous Doctors considering the Doctor doesn't mind his shapeshifting. Alientraveller (talk) 20:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

UKTV Gold used to show serials early every morning during weekends. I love Pertwee, Tom Baker and McCoy (controversy!). Alientraveller (talk) 20:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Me thinks you should have requested it for Christmas. Loved that reference in Journey's End as to Davros, who spent gosh knows how many years battling the Doctor and the Daleks, and completely forgot about her, flashbacked to his first life(time). Alientraveller (talk) 21:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope you have a good holiday yourself. Mine will be over on Sunday, then back to work on Monday and my usual Wiki hours.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

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