User talk:Paul730/Archive 5

Spidey 3

Glad you finally got to see it. I got my copy yesterday, but I'm going to watch all three together. Erik and I talked about this relentlessly when it came out. It should have been just Eddie in this film, with the bell tower scene being the end of the film, leading into another film where you could have a whole film devoted to Venom. The animated series did such a better job of showing Venom's sadistic side in regards to making Peter suffer before finally coming in for the kill. Also, my other big deal with Venom is that he looked more like a black version of Carnage, mainly the head. I think they didn't do quite as well with the head that they should have done, compared to how he looks in the comics. I wish there was more of JJJ, as he's a great character in the films series. Gwen Stacy should have been named something else because her character served very little functioning that any second rate female character could have served. Continuity point--If JJJ has such a hatred of Spider-Man, why doesn't he at least make Parker's life a living hell since Peter stole MJ away from JJJ's son? That should have been played up more. Emo-Peter....funny to watch, saddening to think of how it did a disservice to not just Peter Parker, but what the symbiote was actually supposed to make Peter act like. They got it close in some regards, he certainly was more cocky, arrogant, and a plain ol' ass...but it was supposed to bring out his dark side and I think they totally dropped the ball in that regard. Again, the animated series did a better job.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I meant "funny" in an embarrassing way, not in an intentional "ha ha" way. Like, when someone walks down the street trips and falls. It's funny in that "damn, person can't walk" kind of way, but sad because that wasn't their intention to make you laugh. I was laughing out loud when Peter was in Harry's lair. Now that was funny in a comedic way. If you get a chance, I'd certainly buy The Venom Saga. It is all the episodes that dealt with Venom. It's about 95 minutes long, and did a better job than Spider-Man 3 with the whole symbiote thing.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's basically what it boiled down to--hysterical because it was awful, and not because it was intentially hysterical. It was worth my money in the theaters just to see that and laugh, but it still hurt me as a fan of the series to see the third film fall from the grace of the second, even the original had set before it. Part of that I blame on Alvin Sargent though.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Dear god, I could barely stand Mr. Fantastic doing it--here's a prayer that we never have to see Wolverine and Iron Man dancing. I could barely handle Wolverine's little speech in X3.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

LMAO, that looked like Mr. Fantastic.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It is, but I don't do anything for it. I watched Boys N the Hood, because I have to write a reaction paper on it. Do you do anything over seas?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I figure, if I dress up it will only be for an actual costume party, and only one that gives me enough time to actually put forth some effort to devise a decent costume. We had plans last year to do that, and I was going to go as the Man with No Name, but the party fell through and I wasn't about to go buy authentic western gear for nothing. If I dress up I want to go all out, and to do that you need time to prepare.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. You can be replica Jason masks, which look identical to the films, but they run like $200. I've always wanted to be buy one from each film and also buy those profile mannequins, the ones that are just head and shoulders...that way I could display the mask. ---I'm such a dork..lol--  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I have an 18 inch Pinhead and Freddy. I have a 12 in Ash, and Blade (from the Puppet Master series, not the vampire movies). I have a Chucky figurine, as well as a Michael Myers doll (had to cut the hair back because it was waaaay too long). They sit in boxes in my closet. I don't deny my geekyness. I even know of a place that sells replica Freddy gloves, for about the same price as the Jason masks, and you can get the glove from each of the films. My idea there was to get the glove, then one of those mannequinne hands--for jewelry, and then a football "ball" case to display it in.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Mine plays the theme song to Halloween. I want to say it's motion sensored, but I'm not positive. I know that my Pinhead and Freddy are motion sensored. Come to think of it, I believe you have to press a hidden button on his stomach to get the theme song to play. I didn't buy the Myers doll, someone bought that for me for Christmas awhile back. I got the Freddy and Pinhead at Spencer's Gifts, and they were marked down to like $20, from something like $50 or $60. I eventually, when I'm working for "real" and have a house, want to have an entire room devoted to that stuff. Just because I like it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Geeky? Wikipedia? Maybe. Who cares. I look at Wikipedia as a means to polish writing skills, research skills, and argumentative skills. ;) Things that everyone should have polished.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Hardly. I can play most sports, but I don't. I'm not great in any one sport, but I can handle my own. I'm more or less just a movie guy. My name is merely a reflection of my school. Well, it's time for bed. Later.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It's strange because I loved the whole Peter Parker dancing scene and found it funnier than the "raindrops" scene in 2. If something makes me laugh, I don't have any further issue with it. But perhaps it would have been better if we just saw Peter turning into a pervy kid while the more evil angle was (excellently) played up in his vigilante life. I thought Venom was well done, but what I do I know, I was never a fan of the symbiotes beforehand. Anyway, I definitely just want to see Lizard in 4. I wish Raimi just wasn't banged up on making good characters out of lame ones like Ock and Sandy and just focus on those with already fascinating personalities like Lizard and Venom. Alientraveller 11:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Nope, don't mind. Wouldn't be the first person to, plus I think I took it from someone else.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I was really pleased with Gwen Stacy's introduction: Bryce Howard was superb in the part. Nothing really wrong with Captain Stacy bumping into Brock: the whole scene was full of urgency and it was a perfectly fine moment. Another example is when Cyclops learns about Nightcrawler just as Xavier is killing every human. Alientraveller 13:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I think one thing that bothered me, as I rewatch it now, is that the doctor clearly said that Harry had short-term memory loss...so, why doesn't he remember his father, his father's death, the fact that he's rich, but can remember that Peter and MJ are his best friends, and that he played basketball in Peter's backyard? That's stuff that happened years prior, and should have easily been in his long-term memory by then. That was one thing that was rather inconsistent in the film.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't give up, per say. If you look, I relinquished the fact that I stood alone in my argument, but still argued against Ckatz statement. I can be 100% right, or 100% wrong, either way, I was alone. I watched Spider-Man on Thursday, and then Spider-Man 3 & 3 on Friday. Well, you can have selective memory loss, but I don't think it's selective in long-term and short-term. Either way, the doctor said just plain ol' short-term memory, which meant he should have forgotten about the fight with Peter...but probably still have remembered that he hated Spider-Man for his father's death. Yeah, I saw the "how it should have ended", that was hilarious. I'm going to do that criticism and impact stuff later. To me, the article is clearly GA quality. It isn't comprehensive enough for FA, but I think it's well written and broad enough for GA.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Right now I have to go watch this Tranformers movie for Alien. I promised I'd listen to the commentary for him. Here's the catch, I just started it, and the commentary isn't captioned, so I'm going to have to pause and rewind a lot. I think this will take like 4 hours..lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

GAC means you can just pick up the article, review it, pass or fail it by the criteria, and list it. It's not a discussion like FAC. Alientraveller 18:07, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

That was 15 minutes to watch 5 minutes of movie..lol. Might take longer than 4 hours. Especially since I'm going to need a break every so often from writing. My favorite part was where Peter was trying to convince Venom that he was going to do anyway, because they don't kill the lead character in a movie. Then Harry comes and sends all those bombs and Venom is like, "damn, he was right." GA isn't a vote, or discussion. Basically, I post a request for review on that GA request page. Then, an editor who hasn't made substantial contributions to the article comes in as a neutral eye to read over and review the page based on the GA criteria. If they think it passes then they say "passed" and change the banners at the top of the page. If they think it doesn't, you usually have about a day to make any corrections, unless it is too far gone for a single day wait to make a difference. Either way, if in the end you don't meet criteria then you get a "failed GAC" and try again later.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I have that game, it's pretty good. About Buffy though, I've been thinking that that article has a tremendous amout of non-free images and I'm not sure they all meet criteria. I mean, there's that list of images on how the credits change over time--it just looks like they are saying "see, this image is different than this image...and this one is different than that one." without actually providing critical commentary about why that is even relevant.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing in the "Credits" section that talk about the images to the right. It seems to draw in indiscriminate connection between the title card for each image. There isn't a reason provided for the change in the image over the course of the show. It really fails WP:FU. The same really goes for the UPN image. This statement--UPN took great advantage promoting the network switch by teasing fans of Buffy's resurrection from The WB's series finale.--is not sourced, or mentioned in the text to the right of the image. It's purely original research. I have to agree, the page doesn't seem to be a model example of what FA is supposed to be.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I'd have to say that her death was inconsequential to the film. No critical commentary means no inclusion.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

X-Men cast list

I'm currently creating a cast list for the X-Men film series. Have you got any ideas for seperating the mutants who appear but aren't affiliated with either Xavier or Magneto's camps? It's at User:Alientraveller/X-Men cast. Thanks. Alientraveller 13:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I like the slightly cartoonish edges of the series. Gives it a unique quality compared to the mythic feel of Superman or grittiness with Bats and the X-Men. Alientraveller 14:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Shaw appeared alongside Hank on the TV screen in X2. Alientraveller 14:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all the comments on the FLC. Hopefully I can have your support. Also, recalling an old discussion about Days of Future Past on film, didn't Bishop have an enemy who could time-travel? Alientraveller (talk) 21:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I watched it last night (a bit Watchmen isn't it?) I was thinking about Hiro, who is a character who has that reality Singer bought to the genre. Alientraveller (talk) 21:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Just the whole conspiracy and atmosphere reminded me of Watchmen. Not surprising though: Watchmen is everywhere, I even thought a little bit about it with The Incredibles and Civil War. I'm glad there was no real conspiracy in the latter though, made it more engaging.

OK, I'll definitely flip through it, but I'm more excited about the Red Hulk myself... Alientraveller (talk) 22:09, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I just loved seeing the Hulk lately kicking everyone in the shins in the World War arc. Banner eventually ordered his own defeat. It's a brave new world for my favourite Green Goliath ever since Greg Pak came on. And yeah, I'm aware of everything going on in the X-Men world since House of M, I've loved this return to the minority sensibility. Is it just me though, or does Astonishing, just feel out of place? It's as if it's taking place before M... Alientraveller (talk) 22:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, Kitty's such a great character, and she's unique for me as she was never in the 1990s cartoon. I am interested in seeing what happens when Whedon ends his run. Cassady's a great artist too.

As for Hulk not having such a big impact generally, the X-Men and Avengers were always worlds apart, and Daredevil is just protecting his 'hood now. Ol' Greenskin just wants to be left alone. Alientraveller (talk) 22:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Apart from his unmasking during Civil War, I do feel all the recent Spidey stories were just reptitive, and The Other was weird. But MJ and Peter will get back together soon, so like I said, it's just a waste of time. Likewise if they're gonna kill Bruce Wayne. Honestly, new ideas people! Alientraveller (talk) 08:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Reviews

Sweet. Thanks for finding those.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

They're great B-movie vampire flicks--well, maybe closer to C-movie..lol. You have to take a look at the history page for List of Smallville episodes.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I called her silly because she started the insults. She quoted me and then said I couldn't speak english. As for the sites, Kryptonsite is a fansite, that's why it isn't a reliable source for anything other than primary information (i.e. personally conducted interviews). Spoilerfix clearly says they get their information from Kryptonsite, thus we cannot use it. The other sources were user edited sources. Every time she brought a new source to back her up I went to the source and read up on their "About Me" page, which indicated that we wouldn't use them for sources based on where they get their information. I trust Kryptonsite to only post "good" information, that's why they have a "Rumor" section for all that crap that they cannot back up, but they're still a fansite. Then she tried to say that an article of TV Guide saying "there will be 15 episodes" confirmed all the titles on Kryptonsite. We update the page based on the CW's official write-ups they release when episodes are finished filming. There hasn't been an official release since "Blue".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Even they agreed that the sources were bogus. They warned her, but she has a knack for ignoring what is said on her talk page and pretending like it didn't happen. She continues to remove commas from dates even after she was told not to be half a dozen editors, including admins.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

True. Anemone (the admin) said he's watching the page now, so we'll see what happens. Oh, here are some YouTube links to Subspecies. I couldn't find any for the first film, but you can get an idea of what the series is like. [1] and [2].  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it was your classic horror movie with terrible acting, and half-decent special effects. The movies don't take themselves that seriously. In the second and third, Radu's mom shows up---her name is "Mummy".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I mean "Mummy", as in the bandage wrap. She's like a centuries old sorceress, who basically looks like what a mummy would look like if you unwrapped them. Thanks for the source, I can add that info to the franchise article. :) Looks like it could be a fun little comic too. Notice in the panels that they use, "Ch ch ch, ah ah ah"? ..lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd rather wait and get all issues--if I buy it--together, instead of waiting from month to month. That's best for me, since I don't really frequent comic stores.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. That's how my Superman Death-World Without-Return comics are. I couldn't have possibly have managed to keep up with the storyline if I had read them when they were in single form. The damn story takes place in like 5 different titles, over several months. Would have been annoying.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

It goes: Superman: The Man of Steel -> Justice League of America -> Superman -> Superman: Action Comics -> Superman: The Man of Steel -> Superman. That's just for "The Death of Superman" book.

For "A World Without Superman": The Adventures of Superman -> Supergirl: Action Comics -> Superman: The Man of Steel -> Superman -> The Adventures of Superman -> Supergirl: Action Comics -> Superman: The Man of Steel -> Superman -> The Adventures of Superman ->

"The Return of Superman" basically follows the same layouts of those two.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

That's why I'll just wait till they finish and buy the book, because that's what it usually is by the end...a book.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I was getting tired of it as well. Sorry, but I'm going out of town this weekend so I won't be much help here on Wiki. I'll be on randomly, but for short periods.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm in south Florida visiting my g/f for the holiday weekend (Veterens' Day). So, I won't be on here but maybe a few times day, for possibly only 10 minutes.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I "totally" (-->thanks Ms. Van Der Klok) am. I get yelled out for being on here instead of getting ready to go out.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:43, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Right now I'm ok, because she's theone getting ready--going out to dinner. I used to frequent a forum chat website, but my argumentative nature got me kicked out. Who would have ever thought that could happen. ;) I'm going to have my g/f read the Friday the 13th (franchise) page at some point. She's my little proof reader. I get her to read articles I have worked on to find out if there something that is confusing. Since she isn't that close to the subject matter--Jason, Smallville, etc--she can usually say "hey, this doesn't make sense". Then I can go in an add something that make the "casual reader" better understand what is being stated.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it started over Transformers, where someone was saying it was a Spielberg film, and I said it was actually a Michael Bay. Then that just spiraled out of control, and I made a statement that it basically seemed like the webmaster was playing favorites with the other guy and so he just blocked me out. I wonder what site you were on. You've read those "Batman on Film" links..lol. Erik had another one where it was really about him, but I got mentioned in passing--Oh, it was Don Murphy's personal site and he wanted to know everything anyone could find out about Erik because he was going to "blacklist" him. LOL. Don's a loser. I don't ask my mom to proof read because if you say "help me find grammar mistakes," she turns that into "let me rewrite all this for you with my words."  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, the thing is, every time myself, or Erik or Alien, have pissed people off we have usually stated that it has nothing to do with believing the information. It's always a policy thing. As for Don, he's the producer of Transformers and I can't remember what Eric did to piss him off. I thought it was pathetic as well. I was reading the thread and watching these people go "I found ThuranX, his name is so-n-s0 and I believe he lives somewhere over X." LOL. Or, "I found him on facebook." lol. The real sad part was, it wasn't him looking, it was him sending out his 12 year old minions to go search for this information.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I noticed you were redirecting the pages. The thought occurred to me to say "maybe the title should be 'List of characters in the Hallowwn film series', but then I just thought, "eh, if no one questions it then no reason to worry about it." It makes me think I really need to get on that Michael Myers page, to at least get it in good working order for the mainspace, then I can worry about beefing it up as time goes on. I think what I want to get all the sections I'm going to use created, and then get them to be good, strong sections. That way they'll be able make the page look decent, even before the thing is really finished.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Halloween 4-5-6 ARE NOT CANON

Look: [3]

See? There, it is clearly stated that THE DIRECTORS AND PRODUCERS of the Halloween series deemed those movies as not canon. And THEY have the final say on what is or isn't canon, NOT YOU.

In the official canon, Michael Myers does NOT have superhuman strength or healing. Saying the contrary would be providing FALSE information, which is a form of vandalism.

I'm gonna edit the Michael Myers page one more time, to provide ACCURATE information. STOP REDOING MY EDITS!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agustinaldo (talk • contribs) 13:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

OK

Listen:

1- I'm yelling because I'm exasperated. Your reckless redoings of my edits are getting on my nerves. Seriously, you destroyed whatever patience I might had.

2-[4] confirms what I said. And The Arrow (John Fallon) is a movie director-writer-producer who keeps himself in touch with other horror directors-producers, as well as the horror community at large, so I trust him more than I trust you.

3-You can't say "the canon doesn't matter" when it comes to a character's attributes.

If you put "Bat-Shark Repellant" as one of Batman's regular weapons in the Batman page, just because the Dam West version used it, then you are providing false information.

Same thing if you list "traveling back in time by spping around the Earth really fast" as one of Superman's superpowers.

If you say that Michael Myers is a superhuman being, you are wrong. If you want to back it up, you need to bring examples that fit in the official continuity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agustinaldo (talk • contribs) 13:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

OK,

1-Sorry for losing my head. I apologize for shouting, and I appreciate that you reply to me in a civil manery.

2-Jason is a different thing, because:

a)all of his movies are considered canon (withthe possible exception of part 9, I honestly can't tell you about that).

b) Jason is a zombie. That in itself makes him unrealistic. Since we don't know how zombies work, he is allowed to have superhuman strength, since zombies aren't "human" to begin with. Wether he had superhuman strength before he became a zombie is another thing entirely.

3-You'd be amazed of what the human body can do. I read about people getting shot in the head or the neck and surviving all the time.

But if you want to prove that he is superhuman, you need to have a better explanation than "the Curse of the Thorn did it".

4-I'm not saying that the paragraphs detailing his appearances in 4-5-6 should be deleted.

What I'm saying is that it should be explained that they weren't considered part of the Halloween canon until the Rob Zombie remake came along, so as not to confuse readers.

Likewise, readers with no knowledge of Michael Myers would read his page and assume that the fact that he is superhuman is blatantly stated, as opposed to implied. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agustinaldo (talk • contribs) 14:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey

I was computerless for a while. Nice sig. What did you think of No Future For You p3 (would that be 8x3x3?)~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

That is often the turning point. As Angel is (for now) only 12 issues, I imagine they'll be quite well paced. I'm even digging the art and am tempted to buy the variant covers instead of the regular ones. What other character asides would you like to see in Season Eight? Andrew Queen of the Desert, The K Word, Mr. and Mrs. Finn? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:47, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

User 71.65.53.254 doesn't need a source.

If you look at this site: http://www.southparkstuff.com/south_park_downloads/episode-related_downloads/south_park_scripts/ , and then look at his dialogue in the scripts, you'll see that he has said "fuck" a lot of times without being censored. It's a fact of life, my good man. Wilhelmina Will 23:47, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Buffy sandboxes

If you're disinterested by now, perhaps you should now publish them on the mainspace. This will lead to a new rush of spontaneity. Alientraveller 12:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

True, it looks mostly fine and informative, so putting sections into the article now wouldn't be controversial as it wouldn't look as poorly as when you start sandboxing. Alientraveller 12:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow, you've really done a lot today. Well done. It's nice to think I've inspired someone. Alientraveller 16:54, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

How about List of minor characters in the Halloween film series? And listing them by appearance or alphabet is fine. Go with your gut instinct. Alientraveller 17:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Were there that many Halloween comics, and where the characters that well developed that they couldn't be mentioned on the comic pages? It seems to me that the "List of characters", when you are creating a list that isn't just "actor/character" (like List of Harry Potter films cast members), that you would only include the major characters. Otherwise you end up having 20 characters who need fine details written about them in order to create enough information that they look as important as the major characters, who only get a general overview written about them.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

"Other adaptations". They originated in the films. You can make note that they have also appeared in literature variations of the film series.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

The question about whether or not to include Halloween III? Um, if they need to be mentioned then I would mention them--making note that they were part of a film that had no direct relation to the rest of the series.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Pulling a me. lol

I like that. So I read your comment, very articulate. The merge is not going to happen, at least not at this particular moment in time. Some of the pages have improved and could certainly stay. I think the problem lies in the fact that these editors think that it's an "all or nothing" fight. Either they are all merged, or they all stay, and since they see that a few the pages are fine--in regards to notability and/or real world content--that none should be merged. I believe we call this idealistic. Stupid, but idealistic. I see the insults more now myself, but that was because I never really read Brian's comments beyond a skim.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Tis a sad world we live in, or at least sad people we allow to live in it. ;)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I've wondered that very thought myself. She claims to not be able to access the policy pages. So, my last message was to her saying not to bother commenting to me again until she does read them. I don't really know what the issue is with her. If she's merely "taking the piss out of me", then she's an idiot, because her ignorance of my comments--"why don't you explain why spoilerfix and kryptonsite are not reliable, they're always right"--after I've explained it multiple times just makes her look stupid. If she truly does have a problem, which would mean she probably has a learning disorder, then I feel bad that she cannot comprehend what is being said. Given that her user page doesn't mention such a thing, and I've found that most people with such issues tend to broadcast it on the pages--sometimes lying, sometimes bragging (how weird is that), and sometimes as a forewarning to those that they come across. Speaking of weird, what 30 year old "girls" do you know? I know 30 year old women.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it's funny how she classifies herself as a "girl in her 30s". I mean, ok, but I guess I'll call myself a "boy in his 90s"...you know, when I get be in my 90s. Anyways, moving away from potentially crazy Wikipedians....where's our reviewer for Friday the 13th (franchise)??  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Hopefully someone will find it. I'll go post a notice on some relevant Project pages.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I left a message at Project Horror and Project Films. Yeah, Smallville had the same problem. Ironically, Jason's article didn't. Go back and look at the FAC; it only sat in FAC for a couple of days before Raul passed it. I think that was one of the fastest, if not the fastest FAC I've seen.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, Pauline's article is a bit different. It's loaded with much more IU information and it's presented in a manner that makes it difficult to gage how to "tense" it. Not to mention that there are occassionally just stray lines of "She did this". To me, it just isn't that well organized. My original problem was that it was overly redundant with plot information, they had a real world context that contained plot info, and then a strictly plot section. They covered the same ground. This whole "soap" thing is what causes the problems. I think the soap editors feel that since the show runs in "real time" that the article should reflect a more "realistic" tone. Like saying they died on a specific date.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

They just choose not to re-air them, which isn't the same as someone destroying all copies of them. It isn't impossible to view an episode that has aired, just not easy. As for issues with the information. There's a bit in the beginning that mentions a book that was written that develops more of the character's unseen history. The next sentence is just a plug of information about the character with no real context to its. It's "Pauline was born and raised on ..., she married Arthur on ..., they have three kids who live at ..."  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm still in the process of reading the article.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It was supposed to be "In the first episode,"...I just put the comma in the wrong place. As for the word, I was restructuring the sentence and I missed the "mother" at the end.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Some of that information is indiscriminate and trivial. Is this--"During the fight scene between Eve and Harmony, Sarah Thompson says Mercedes McNab actually slapped her accidentally. "She was so upset, she was so worried she'd hurt me but it actually worked well for the take because I reacted by really screaming"--really relevant to anyone other than a fan? At least, it certainly isn't written in a manner that exhumes encyclopedic knowledge. The shoe statement? There's some bits that could be trimmed, the plot could still use some trimming. It certainly is better than most of the articles. I think a big issue is the spacing of paragraphs. There are a lot of one and two sentence paragraphs.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Generally, I would say no, unless there is some way to tie the fansite directly to the people that make the show. Like, I wouldn't use Kryptonsite for reviews, except for the fact that Craig Byrne has written 2 (working on a third) of the official companions, and gets direct access to the cast and crew...so his opinion is a little more solid--but he generally doesn't write reviews anyway so I don't really have anything to worry about. I think it's harder to use fansites generally because they are devoted to that show, and are usually less objective in their reviews.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) —Preceding comment was added at 18:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they are totally irrelevant, but not for the reason you might think. They are irrelevant because it is almost impossible to provide a representative sample of "fan opinion". Going to a fansite and say, "see this is what they said" is like going to IMDb and saying "this is what they said". The polls are limited to who visits the site, and not who watches the show. That's why films run the rule of "money talks" with regard to fan reaction, and for television that idea would be "ratings talk". I think a reason they generally are not accepted sites is because they are Self-published sources. There's more on self-published sources at WP:V.

Get all pissy with that guy? lol. Maybe, but they were making a bold statement, one not verified by any facts whatsoever, other than the fact of they like Angel. I was going to pull the "well, who's still on the air?" card, but I figured I'd be hounded by tons of Buffyverse fans wanting to kill me over that.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

So they say. I have a hard time taking anonymous IPs seriously though. If they can find some real issues, great, all the more better the article is. Oh, and you could have lead them with torch in hand, but the breeze from Smallville's continuous existence would have extinguished it. ;)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Smallville had a comic book form created while it was still running. Had an official magazine created. Based on probably THE most popular comic book character to ever grace the pages--sorry Marvel, but it's true. Oh and....still on the air, without having to change stations. ;) lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

LOL, you cannot say "Marvel's more popular" in comparison to Superman, because you're comparing an entire company to one specific character in another. I'm not speaking of the comic books, I'm speaking of the character himself. I cannot think of any other comic book character, maybe Batman, who is probably more recognizable all over the world than Superman. As for the Buffy argument, anything that's run for 70+ years will have crap in it. Come talk when Buffy reaches her 70th birthday...if she isn't comic company swapped between then. ;) As for spin-offs, I believe that if UPN and WB had not merged when they did, Aquaman would have been up there in popular spin-offs. The pilot was well received online, and became iTunes and XBox Marketplace's top selling television show. It's a shame it had to get ditched in order for the CW (stupid CBS having majority rights) to get all the shows from each network, and creating personal picks that ended up getting canceled before they even finished their first seasons.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, adjusted for inflation, none of the X-Men movies beat the original Superman movie..and given that there hadn't been a Superman movie in almost 20 years...I think the people just needed a refreshed memory. I'd say the sequel will perform better. X-Men comic book...again, I'm talking Superman the character...not any of his books. There isn't an X-Men character more popular or well known than Superman the character.

Did you see the Aquaman pilot? I'm torn because, if it had happened, then Hartley would never have been Green Arrow, and I think he pulled GA off really well. I really enjoyed the character on the show. I cannot stand Alan Richardson (sp) as Aquaman. He smiles too much. It's like he cannot think of appropriate body acting, so he just stands their and smiles like a dumb dog that just got swatted with the newspaper. I'd say we've used about 10-15 kb of space.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Why I didn't know. Happy Birthday.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:24, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

That's just it, I was never comparing quality of comics, just popularity of character. If you put a picture of Wolverine up (whom I would bet is probably the most popular X-Men character) and a picture of Superman up on a billboard, for non-comic book readers to view...my money is that the general public would recognize the Man of Steel before the Man with Steel.

I'm not sure how old the Flash is meant to be. I would assume younger than Clark, because I think Kyle Gallner is younger than Welling, by a long shot (goes to look at page...yep). Since they went with "Impulse" as his code name, and not Flash, I would assume they mean for him to be a teenager. As for Alan, you cannot tell me those oddly placed smiles didn't get on your nerves. I thought he was farting every time I saw one.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Which A-listers? Cyborg's one of the original members. Cyke kicked out Prof. X? That's Mutiny! Put Superman's picture up against any X-Men picture, doesn't matter who. It's that popularity that gets passed from generation to generation, because Superman just expands so far away from just comic books--which is probably why his comic books generally suck, because they aren't the primary focus of the character any longer. Plus, I don't think DC every really had good quality comic storylines to begin with. I think Batman had some good ones over the years, he's one of the more tortured souls in the DC universe.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Paul -- just wanted to wish you a happy birthday! —Erik (talk • contrib) - 02:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, pshhh... celebrate it already. Are there any milestones for turning 18 in the UK? I know that they differ from here in the US. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 02:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

What, don't let that stop you. :-P When I turned 21 (legal drinking age here), I ordered a beer from the BW3 at the stroke of midnight, but I didn't even get carded. I felt jipped as a result -- I wanted to show off my new ID and have the bartender figure out my birthday. Of course, there's always the weekend... hope you find yourself a good time! :) —Erik (talk • contrib) - 02:13, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

break

Seems like he just made a mistake, and now he's been branded a pariah for it. As for Cyborgy, come to think of it, Cyborg is a Teen Titans guy, not a JLA guy...but who can keep track of those 50 million clubs. I don't want a "stretchy guy" on Smallville. It would really start to bend the seriousness of the show. I don't want Elongated Man to come in and do some kind of crazy dance.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it was a ding at Reed. ;) I just think a stretchy guy would be too much for Smallville. I think that would definitely be a "jump the shark" moment. As for Prof. X, that's kind of bad. I guess that's like when the writers made Hal Jordan murder all the Green Lanterns, it really pissed fans off...though I personally thought it added to his already tortured soul. Robin's back.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I was saying that his actions were bad--I guess the more detail revealed about the worse it makes him look. The problem with Robin is that I have answered her question, multiple times, but she keeps coming back to me going "answer my question". As for the edit summary, trust me, she got off lite compared to what I could have said. I have to assume she's just trolling.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, it could have been worse. What I said was incivil, and dangerously close to personal attacks. I could have easily been way past the border though. It's more of the constant disruption she causes by ignoring what people repeatedly say to her--and as you've seen from her talk page, I'm not alone in this topic or several other topics--that just urks the nerves.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I saw when you did it. I was reading it and going, "oh my god, what have I created?" You were totally unleashing the fury.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, since it's been so long, in case you forgot, I was quoting Tom Green when he was trying to get the snake to eat the mouse. I think she's used that name before and I just overlooked it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

LOL. Just remember, anything you say or type can and will be used against in a court of WikiLaw.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Good to know that I'm still liked in at least a small community of people. ;) lol. As for Robin, my suggestion to you is the one I'm currently following, just ignore whatever she says from now on. You, me, several other editors have made it clear that Spoilerfix is not a reliable source, regardless of whether or not she believes there's some mandate that we have to explain how,why,what,who,whatever is the reason it isn't acceptable. We have for all intents and purposes done that very thing, so if she doesn't get it, or is just looking for a fight, then let her hold her breath. If she tries to use spoilerfix, or any other unreliable source, then take the appropriate action. No further need to talk to her in regards to this particular issue any longer. She either gets it, or she doesn't. Either way, she isn't worth the extra calories any of us burn when we type some long explaination for her.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I think IGN's announcement of bias in the opening lines scewed that placement. ;) I'll have to hold on to that, for the season six page. Maybe mention how well GA was received, so much so that critics actually wanted to see a spin-off series for his character.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:EL's a guideline, and in these cases I think it's justifiable to ignore all rules in an effort to keep the peace with the IU crowd. I wouldn't link in the article though, I'd place a link in an EL section at the bottom.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I think this is a good reason to, but the "quote"..lol..is the reason I didn't say that very thing in the actual discussion. The only argument for not including it is simply that WP:EL and WP:NOT say so, but I feel I gave a decent enough argument to counter those two. We'll see if the only rebuttle is "they say 'no'".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's usually clear when I say it what I'm really intending. If I said it to you in casual conversation, it's most likely sincere. If someone's being an ass, then it's my way of being passively aggressive. I mean, can't say I wasn't being nice. ;)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it was true. That snive edit summary, his aggressive attitude on the Aquaman edit summary, he's just being rude for no reason at all. It's like someone had a wiki-stick up their butt.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:04, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I can see where just saying "fall" can be confusing. Luckly I found a page that explains it, but he was just being rude for no reason. Speaking of, he's blanked the page now. lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:12, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't find it confusing either, but someone might. Either way, there's a page link there now, so no more fuss.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I just wish the Halloween website was as good as the Friday the 13th website. The F13 site always helped me look in the right direction for information, but the Halloween one is just focused strictly to the films.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but it makes it harder to find pop culture stuff on Michael. F13 had a friggin' list.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:08, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Same here, but you can sometimes go to the internet archives and retrieve the page. The internet is like a hard drive, it's almost impossible to completely remove something. Speaking of F13, did you catch the additions I made today?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

In the US. Plus, it's had 11 films, whereas Freddy's had only 8. Also, if we went by admissions, Scream has sold more tickets than any, followed by Hannibal, then Psycho, Nightmare, Halloween, then F13, Texas and last Child's Play. Makes me wonder if there is an adjustment for ticket sales relative to the time that they are sold, like dollar value adjusted.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 07:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

It's all coming from the book, and the data came from the studio according to the disclaimer. Yeah, I'm getting tired of no one coming to review this article for GA. I mean, seriously.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 07:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I left messages on the Project pages. I don't want to pressure someone to come review.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 07:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Eventually.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 07:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

A comparison?? BTW, I started a discussion on a page move for that, on the talk page, what do you think?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I just thought it was funny to view these two pages side by side. I just removed about 2800 characters of original research. I'll probably spruce up the box office section some later. I'll move the page after the Redskins and Cowboys finish their football game, because I'll have to go find where the page is linked and fix all those as well.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what his problem is. He's becoming the equivalent of Robin to me.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any rule that say that about a user talk page. That's an article talk page rule for sure. Maybe he's just hitting on you, and this is his way of flirting? ;) j/k. Maybe he's like that guy from last night, and he just has a stick up his butt.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:44, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it only seemed to be him opposed to the inclusion, so I think it's fine.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

So, I finally asked Enter Movie if he's trying to undermine my work on Michael Myers by stealing some of my stuff and then rushing his version of the literature section into the article.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. Doesn't matter. I'm going to complete the article and dump it all in there. The only reason the film stuff went in was because I was tried of seeing the same old fight over what to include in there. Now there isn't a need to argue over it, because most of it is gone--about 17kb worth of crap.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

BTW, all the dates Robin was trying to add...are now wrong, at least according to Kryptonsite which posted an updated release log that pushes everything back almost a month.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

It was crap, I just didn't specificy whether it was good crap or bad crap. One man's crap is another man's gold, or something like that. ;) Actually, I kind of am relishing this "haha, you were wrong" moment, even though I shouldn't. As for Smallville, maybe postponing it won't be a bad thing. Maybe the further they push it out, the more likely the strike will end soon enough for them to complete the season. Smallville is already going to have one of the better outcomes from this strike than any other show, given that they managed to get more scripts completed than most others.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Link away. You know you're always free to help out in the sandboxes. As for Heroes, I think they only made out with 10 episodes, about what everyone else made out with. I've heard season 2 is good, though I'm waiting for the DVD. Smallville and House are the only ones that get original airdate viewings.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Something tells me he won't.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Not because of the strike, I was just saying he probably won't. Unless he's stated he'll focus on that, I'd say he's got something else he plans to do.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yep, they just suck. ;) Just kidding. Maybe he will. Maybe he's going to try and prepare for the remaining season, should the strike end, or prepare for the next season if it doesn't end soon.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

It would be the same situation basically, there would be no critical commentary on the image. Since there isn't an article on the book itself, having an image to "show what it looked like" is enough to satisfy WP:FU. That goes for Halloween's usage of their book cover as well, but I think those pages have a few other problems besides just non-free image use. You and I kind of discussed this when we put those two in the article. The comic image, sadly, will need to go as well...though we need to find some actually discussion on the comics in order to get a nice quote box in there to spruce up the section. Once the comic image goes, I'm yanking that video game image.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Exactly, I will be happy to remove it once I get the comic image out of there. I won't do it before, because I want to be able to say "sorry, you have no excuse now, because the other 'covers' are gone". They can't claim it's the same as the Variety image, because that image has almost a whole paragraph devoted to that very picture. Plus, we have the audio sample, which I think makes the article so much cooler.

BTW, I noticed that the Angel episodes have "Angel episode" in the titles, like Darla (Angel episode). Those should really be moved to just "Angel", per the television naming conventions. Only if several things share the name "Darla" in the Angel show, which, when I checked, Darla the character is under "Buffyverse".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

LOL, nothing to say about it. ;) Come on, I did all the Smallville pages--before they were merged, plus all the Lois & Clark pages, and a couple of other series. It's good for the edit count, get the blood in your fingers pumping. lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I would, but the completely chaotic discussions on her page--answer my question (answered), you didn't answer it, so answer it (answered again)...so forth and so on--would take up too much space on my page. Frankly, she isn't worth the bullet. Have fun with South Park. I have First Blood on my table tonight, followed by a new episode of House.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:37, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't like Family Guy. I think it's stupid. The cuts to random scenes were funny initially, but to me they got old real quick. I like the Rambo movies and just pure entertainment, nothing quality out of them. I just recently watched Rocky Balboa, and I think that's the second best Rocky film out of the whole series, with the original being first--obviously.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Rocky IV is certainly one of my favorites. If I had to rank I would go: Rocky, Rocky Balboar, tie between Rocky II and Rocky IV, Rocky III, and Rocky V dead last.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't know if it was because Stallone did not direct the film, or maybe he just wanted to phone it in for some money, but it certainly had lost the edge of the others. Rocky Balboa was, to me, really sad for most of the movie. Rocky dealing with the loss of Adrian, a kid who basically wants nothing to do with him, it really managed to give a new depth to the character that had been lacking.

So, the comic image and the game image are gone. The comic section doesn't look so bad without an image, probably thanks to the quotebox so close to it. I'm going to continue to search for something else. I think something needs to be put between the books and the merchandise to separate all the text though.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll check into that after I eat and watch Rambo kick some Brian Denehy (sp) ass. I've also checked into what would happen if they pull a "well, the game image should stay because the DVD image is just the same thing". Here's what it would look like if we had to remove the DVD box set--at any point, whether at an FAC or to get these game image hounds off our backs. TOC on the left, TOC on the right. If we had to do it, I kind of like the TOC on the right, because it comes across like an infobox would in a film article, so it makes it less intrusive.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I like it too, but I also liked the comic and novel images as well. Just getting the ducks in a row, preparing for the hurricane should it land.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Upon looking at just the address bars: IGN, IF Magazine, and Dark Horse are generally acceptable. TV Squad usually has crap reviews, but if you found one that actually gives something insightful beyond a "Ethan should have been in The Ripper pilot", or something cockamammy like that. I trust you'll find something actually constructive in it if it exists. The others look ok upon inspection, but I'm not any authority on comic sources. I'd browse some comic pages that are GA or FA (if they exist) and see what they use. So long as there is good criticism, and it doesn't simply boil down to "Random reviewer liked the comic and gave it a 7 out of 8" --which means absolutely nothing as far as casual readers are concerned--then you'll be just fine I would assume.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a blog.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Comic Book Resources reviews comics. Comics Nexus seems ok from what little I've visited of it: it's a journalist site at least, they once interviewed Simon Furman. Alientraveller (talk) 19:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Only partially returned. I'm still at my g/fs, but I'm on her laptop, so it's hard to do lots of Wiki stuff. Plus, she kicks me off frequently. I'll try and read it, but if I don't do it today, then make sure to remind me tomorrow evening, because I'll be back home and on my own computer.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) —Preceding comment was added at 21:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll try and read those reception sections tonight, before I go to bed.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Only if the explicitly stated that the character wasn't originally called "Michael Myers". Otherwise, he could have been called "Michael Myers" and "The Boogeyman". He's technically "Michael Myers" and "The Shape" in the first film. Yeah, he couldn't possibly have stolen anything. I know he's at least visited the page and taken something, because he copied the citation template you filled out for one of the DVDs. I don't think someone that lives in Texas is going to be viewing a Region 2 DVD.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Which DVD? I'll go take a look when I get a chance. Whatever he stole or didn't steal, it's done now, because I've uploaded the majority to the mainspace. I'll work inside there from now on. I'll turn the characterization info into prose tomorrow sometime--as his section seems to just be all that original research that was already in the article (i.e. Michael is superhuman, because he crush a dude's skull with his hands). Did you see that I replaced the literature section? The comic images on Jason's page haven't been challenged, right, but I've been wondering if they are necessary. Plus, Jason has far more literature information than Michael does. I can fit all of the Michael "lit" section on my screen, whereas with Jason I have to scroll down. That's with an 1152x864 resolution. There was just too much text in the Jason article to have no image in there at some point. I mean, the thought has crossed my mind, but I'm more concerned with getting the article comprehensive then finding images with justifiable fair-use rationales.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 06:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't too bad. I enjoyed myself. I spent it with my g/f and her family. The food wasn't too bad, but I certainly missed my mother's cooking. It's all relatively the same, just different styles I guess. As for stress, I'll be less stressed in about 3 weeks, when school ends for winter break.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 06:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Binghole

If he had answered my question, when why would I be asking it still? Since he's being "chicken" about it you answer it for him.

WHEN did Spoilerfix and Krypton make a mistake and HOW? These answers are NOT available on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinepowell (talk • contribs) 01:02, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Just my personal opinion but if Robinepowell is going to so blatantly abuse other editors (see User_Talk:IrishLass0128) maybe something should be done. She is abusive to other editors and insists she's always right and everyone else is wrong. She blanks pages or sections of pages against consensus and "does her own thing." Her use of "Binghole" rather than Bignole is offensive and smacks of harassment, incivility, and completely disrespect. And she always refuses to sign her comments. Can something be done. CelticGreen 01:20, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I don't "refuse" to sing my comments, I never remember, maybe instead of worrying about my so called "horrible" actions on Wikipedia you can find a way to make it show up automatically. Robinepowell (talk) 07:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Minor Villains

Hi Paul. I just waded through a few dozen Lists of Minor Characters articles, and had a hard time finding any with clear-cut inclusion criteria. Which maybe explains why one for Hitch-Hiker's Guide has 115 characters. Those relating to TV shows that discussed criteria at all tended to go with "Only characters who appeared in more than one episode... unless they were particularly notable", which obviously leaves a lot of room for personal opinion. If I was doing it... I'd skip all the one-episode characters, including Marcie and Ampata. Perhaps I'd make an exception for Sweet since the episode's had so much attention, and maybe Ted given that he gets an episode named for him and the actor's so well-known. If it's getting really out of hand, I'd stick with "more than one episode". As strict as that is, at least it's clear. And I wouldn't bother with the Aurelius guys. Looks like you might have to mostly play it by ear. Sorry I can't be more help. --Nalvage (talk) 07:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

One other thing, if you don't stick to something like a "more than one episode" criteria, but keep it more loose, you might want to take into account whether they're prominent in various tie-in material, the Chinese slayer for instance seems to crop up all over the place. --Nalvage (talk) 07:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

If you mean the Minor Characters on Buffy page, then Edna, Cheese-man, Tucker, Ford, Janice, and Owen could be stripped out. Though you might think most get by on being particularly notable in their episodes. Edna seems a bit of a stretch though, I'm guessing it's being a Joss creation that's sneaked her in there. --Nalvage (talk) 02:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Miss Kitty should probably be culled, even though her presence there's kinda amusing, she's hardly a character. Really not sure about Satsu, the Slayer page is pretty long (having been combined from an old canon and non-canon split), but removing Satsu, and even a few others, doesn't look like it'll make a great difference. Perhaps wait to see how prominent Satsu continues to be, and whether we find ourselves having to add a lot more info on her. Or go with your gut. --Nalvage (talk) 03:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Before or after or possibly during the fall

What I liked most was how glossy the pages were! Geee! IDW sure spoils its readers, no adverts mid-book, either! And the Tony Harris cover turned out to be pretty special. Although, the fact that Wesley's still contracted to W&H should mean Angel and the gang are too, right?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 10:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for whipping the article into a better shape! I can now look at it without bleeding from the eyes, yay! :D ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 17:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

The Shape

Anchor Bay produced several of the films, Dimension took over with Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers. I think any DVD before the sixth film was distributed by Anchor Bay. So, we'll probably have to fix all those. I'll see if there are any images on the official site that we could use, otherwise I'll just do a screencapture from either the first or second film--might have to be the second film, since the mask is hardly ever seen in good lighting in the first film.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Here are some images I came up with--[5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bignole (talk • contribs) 15:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I only put Mane there because it's a free image and I thought we could use an image to spruce up the section. I know I read somewhere about Zombie's reasoning for casting Mane, I'll try and find it. The only issue with using Nick and the mask is the licensing. It's a funny licensing, because there isn't a "behind the scenes" copyright tag that can be applied. I grabbed those two H5 images becuase I knew we had a paragraph devoted to the "changes" to that particular mask, though I'm hoping to get more from the DVD.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

That was the H5 one that I wanted to use, though, I may want to "mirror" the image so that the head faces to the left. If the image is placed on the right, then it will look odd for him to face right, if you know what I mean. The thing with the Savini pic is that I knew who the owner of the photo was--Savini himself--because the book gave credit to the person that gave them the photo. I don't know who owns that photo of Castle and the mask. I suppose I theoretically use the same license and just point out that I don't know the owner of the image, but use both the 10-67.com site, and the official website to show that it is being published by other sources, one of them being the official website.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Added the Castle/mask image.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The reception sections on those two comics is coming along nicely. I assume you plan to beef them up more, because I don't think using so much from a limited number of reviewers will be good in the end. Why does each issue of the comic have its own article?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I cannot lie about who the owner is, and if I don't list an owner that will be just as obvious. Since it's a behind the scenes photo, it isn't necessarily subject to the copyright of any particular company. It could just be Castle's picture he's licensing to the official website. The comics seem to be coming along nicely though.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

With the exception of the appearances section, every other section in the article is going to continue to grow, as there is only a limited amount of information in them...mostly from one or two movies. Right now, I've had to delete several of the sources I had on the talk page because they either didn't give me the information I needed, or I couldn't view enough of the sources to get an idea of whether or not I could use them (i.e. they were on Google Books, so you only get to view selected pages). The article certainly needs more characterization.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right about working on it more now that it's in the mainspace. I feel like I need to get it completed quicker. Once he's done, it will be on to Freddy and the "Big Three" will be complete. Fix up Leatherface and it'll be like a grand slam in golf. As for citing comics, my first stop when I don't know the basic info to something like a DVD or book is Amazon. Amazon usually has the publishing information listed--even more so for newer books and comics--and you can usually read some of the reviews and get an idea of what happens in the comic if you don't already know.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. Pinhead, Ash, and Ghostface aren't considered part of the four legendary slasher villains. If you have a comprehensive book, instead of the individual issues, you can use that. No one says they have to be the original primary source.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Because Pinhead isn't really a slasher villain. You call him, he doesn't call you. He has minions that do most of his work. Then, look at the later sequels, he rarely shows up except in the end to tell you that you're in your own personal Hell. Not really all about the stalking and butchering. Freddy, Michael, Jason and Leatherface stack up body counts in each of their films. I mean, don't get me wrong, Pinhead is obviously an icon of the horror genre, just not the slasher films. The "Big 3" are probably way more recognizable than either Leatherface or Pinhead, but I'd say Leatherface is kind of like the Player's Championship. It's not as big as the US and British Open, or The Masters, but it rounds out the Grand Slam. Sure, I'll give your sandbox a gander when I get home from school/work (which will be in about 10 hours), I'm about to head to school in less than an hour. Glancing over it now, it looks good for the most part. Might want to tidy up sources #27 and 28, since they are just urls.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I loved the part where the letter was cussing. Farrell's movies are usually alright, but nothing special. That one looks like it might actually be worth paying to see in a theater. Plus it has Brendan Gleeson in it. He was hilarious in Lake Placid.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Faith

I haven't read the section beside, but as long as you describe Faith as "Buffy with different parents", or whatever the case is, then it should be ok. If you don't explicitely state that they put this idea into the show, then I would do that. In other words, if it isn't similar to how Carpenter explains how he came up with Loomis's description of Myers in Halloween, then I would say something to the effect of "This was echoed in the show," or "This was brought up in the show," or whatever you want. Something that gives reason to point over to the right quote box and say "hey, look at me". Again, I didn't read the section, just the box so you may already do that. I'll know more later this evening.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Characterization information can happen when creating the character, but something that occurs to her in issue 34, that changes some characterization, wouldn't be part of her "concept". It's happened after she was already created. If you are discussing her name as part of her character, and not part of how Whedon created the name, then it would be characterization. I'll give you more later. Just got back from class and now I'm off to work.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You could possibly merge it into the development section. Critical interpretations and authorial are on the same par when it comes to discussing the development of a character, from a real-world perspective. Otherwise it already looks GA-FAish.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 21:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, one TV picture and one comic picture to showcase her prominent status in both mediums, is perfectly fine.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 21:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, if I cannot find sources that discuss Jason's look in comics or books, then I'm removing the image from the literature section. The problem comes, you only need 1 image to identify what the character looks like, and if you do it for secondary mediums then you really need sources discussing their look in those mediums. That's why I removed the one from the Michael Myers article. I'm going to try and look for some for Jason later, after I finish Myers, and if I cannot find any then I'm going to remove it and just try and find something to put in a quote box to color up the section.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not telling you to get rid of it, otherwise I'd immediately get rid of the Jason image. I'm only saying, be prepared. It's always better to go ahead and look for what some editors might want and either put it in, or have it ready, then get caught off-guard and be forced to lose something until you can find it. Try Template:Cite journal, that's the one I use. Urls are generally not mandatory. They are placed there as an option in case there is an online copy of the magazine or journal. Since I just got home I haven't had a chance to sit down and read it, just catching up on everything at the moment. I'm going to see what I can find to eat then I'll sit down and read it all.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

How many people were polled? The problem with citing that becomes: You're first limited to just fans of the show, then you are limited to just fans of the show who subscribe to the magazine. Unless they did the poll somewhere else. I would have to say that we would need some background info on the poll itself.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The author is the person that wrote the article.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'm done eating and House will be one in an hour, so I'll take that time to read over the article.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I can see where the bit about her last name kind of looks out of place. For casting, I would search for interviews with Eliza (i.e. Google: "Eliza Dushku, interview" or something like that).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yep, just make sure the names are right. Don't archive it to "Paul". ;)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Of course I noticed it. I didn't respond on it at the time because I just glanced at it in passing. I agree, it shouldn't exist. It's like that friggin' "List of deaths in 'fill in stupid show/film here'" that were deleted before. I have my eye on Faith for now, in case some happy go-lucky editor decides (s)he wants the old article back.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I don't monitor AfDs, just the contributions of respected fellow editors. Don't worry, if those buffyversers try and cross the bridge, I'll be the Troll that comes out stops them in their tracks.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that seems about right.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I think I feel more like a WikiDinosaur.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

As in I've been here for a long time, or so it seems.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I've been here since November 4, 2005. Geeze, what was I thinking back then? Everyone's a wannabe writer when they first come here, I swear.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I dont' know what I did as an anon. I'm sure it was like a couple of minor edits here or there. I think I registered fairly quickly when I started editing, just to get all the benefits.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it was pretty bland back then. I'll send word that you think Sasha is "Cool", I'm sure she'll appreciate...that is, once she wakes. She sleeps all the time. Well, I'm off to bed. Here's hoping no one tries anything funny with Faith in the night.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I saw, and moved the note to the lead section. Her name "Faith Lehane" is stated 3 times in the infobox alone. I wouldn't worry about the powers unless someone challenges them. If someone goes, "this was non-canon", then say "that doesn't matter". lol. If you want, you could simply source all the powers, that way they're all verified and no one can complain, except for maybe that it's placed in the infobox.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Everything must be cited, just that with the lead, sometimes the lead is too vague to attribute any one source to and it may be too much to attribute 10 sources. If it's a quote in the lead, it must be cited there. As for the name, it's a footnote and not a source, so it's a little different. You want to direct people to more information, not show them a source--even though technically you're doing both. You're right, knowing someone's "full name" is not relevant to their character. Faith didn't even become "Lehane" until that sole video game, which makes me question why the article is called "Faith Lehane", when that isn't what she is known by in popular media. That's a recent addition to the character. I could understand if they went by several names, and one was just used more than the others (i.e. Superman, who also goes by Kal-El and Clark Kent...all names that are either recognizable on their own, or essential to the character).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Known by that name among fans, but how far does it stretch away from fandome? A Google News search of "Faith Lehane" turns up nothing. "Faith - Buffy the Vampire Slayer" turns up about 2,000 results. It doesn't appear in Google Scholar either. Though "Faith - Buffy the Vampire Slayer" does get almost 600 hits. Though, not all of either of those were strictly about "Faith" the character.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You wouldn't redirect that if they weren't already articles, because random readers aren't going to type that specific when they search for something.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem mentioning the full names of any characters, just treating those full names as the name most commonly known. We have to detach ourselves from being "fans" and look at how the outside world sees the characters. If you read a USA Today review of a Buffy episode, I would be willing to bet they'd call James Marsters "Spike" and not "William the Bloody". The same with Angel. Angel is the most widely known name. "Angelus" is the name the character held at a point in his back-story, and during a couple of story arcs, but "Angel" is the primary name he's always gone by in the shows. The same with "Spike". The same with "Faith" for that matter. Look at Jabba the Hutt. He has an official "full name" in canon, but the article will always be called "Jabba the Hutt". Fans wanted to change "Jack Sparrow" to "Captain Jack Sparrow" because "he's a captain, and always wants to be called 'Captain'". Lex's full name in Smallville is "Alexander Luthor".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I said the full name shouldn't dictate article name, and shouldn't be mentioned in the infobox unless it was actually relevant to the character (ala Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent). I fully support mentioning it in the body of the article though. That "sexiest hunk" thing doesn't actually state what the order is. ;) Dean Cain better than Tom Welling? First, you cannot make an accusation about "filling out the tights" when Welling has never worn them.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Tom Welling could kick Dean Cain's ass...oh wait, he already did that in this season's "Cure". Got his ass royally handed to him, twice no less (the second time Clark was weakened by kryptonite). You are saying that a football player is hotter than a model? Got some weird standards. Also, I would never put Nicholas Brendan that far up either. Sorry, but he's too goofy looking. Secondly, where's Justin Hartley?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I may be straight, but I'm secure enough to recognize what a good looking guy ..looks like...yeah...... lol. Yeah, that comic cover looks nothing like NB. I was just mentioning it. Maybe it should be brought up in discussion first. BTW, have you seen this trailer?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was hilarious.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

That list is a bit rubbish. Brian Krause? Seriously?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 17:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Chris! Or, Mal Reynolds. Or... I don't know, there's probably plenty. Chuck from Chuck (boy is that show good). Or Justin Hartley... a million times.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 17:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

He seems to be everyone's favourite character in season six. Even the straight fans. Can't hurt being simply flawless. I wanty a Green Arrow spin-off :( or maybe a Green Arrow/Black Canary spin-off if the Painkiller Jane girl is any good.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 17:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Surprisingly dark in places. It has brief flashes of brilliance undermined by childish exposition. It's full of squee moments if you're a fan, in the form of continuity nods. Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane? felt more like a Torchwood episode, but the levity in places drains on it as much as the forcibly-injected "darkness" does in Torchwood. It was the "Human Nature" of the series, in terms of clever story, and it could have been brilliant if spaced over say, a three-episode serial. But two half-hour episodes just can't tell a story without clunkily speeding through some bits and dragging in others. Also, can you take a look at my Jack lead sandbox which I'm working on (User:Zythe/Jack lead).~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 18:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

And OMG, of those I would have loved Green Arrow, Wonder Woman, Veronica Mars: FBI, Faith/Ripper and The Turks. Spin-offs put fanboys in heaven.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 18:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

When it's done well (i.e. Angel) then yes. When it's done poorly (I have to admit) like Torchwood, not so much, but Torchwood had (and has, largely) a lot of potential. God, I miss Veronica Mars. I'm not sure why Buffy fans love it so much, but I sure do. It's like a sci-fi show with 0 sci-fi elements. Still, my region 1 DVDs will be arriving in time for Christmas. You know what would have been the best JLU spin-off? The Question. I know you hate DC, but the animated version of him is amazing. Watch some on Youtube. They could even have incorporated some 52 in there by making Renee Montoya his apprentice. *sigh*~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 18:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Squirrel Girl would win hands down. That's practically her special ability - winning. Oh, look at this. This is the reason why modern DC can in fact be very good. A few of the girls.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 18:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

My favourite bit of that episode is when Squirrel Girl and Flatman try out for the FF. Go GLA spin-off! ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 18:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You two are out of your mind. Squirrel Girl would lose. I already told you once, Superman would use his super breath to create an artificial winter and she'd be too busy hybernating to even fight, thus, I win. ;) (will watch video when I return).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, she didn't seem "angry". lol. Part of that was kind of gross, watching her legs transform.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be. From what I see, the Buffyverse clan has created an article for just about everything related to that show, no matter how miniscule. At least there are a few editors taking the initiative and cleaning up the articles.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Guess he has a new project. Thankfully, not one I have any care about editing.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Did you mean "hyper" or "hipper"? I didn't use anything. The only thing he had done was the literature section, and since I had 2,000 more characters when I uploaded my literature section, he obviously didn't have it complete. He primary sourced more things than I did for that section. I had the source you found for the 3 Halloween comics, and some others for the rest.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Break 2

Yeah. The third is considered the "sell out" film. It's by far the "worst" in respects to what Raimi did with the previous two, but IMO it was the funniest. It was the one that took itself the least seriously. The one liners--"Groovy", "Give me some sugar, baby!", and my personal favorite "Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun"--are the best of the three. I think I have to agree that part 2 is probably the best. I think that's because Bruce had to basically carry the whole movie himself and the Deadite Ash and evil hand were awesome. I don't know what it is, but for some reason Raimi makes excellent "Part Twos", and then kind of declines with the third installments.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I've never actually seen the alternate ending. The only one I've seen is the S-Mart ending. Did you read the STYD report? It seems like it won't specifically be in continuity with the series, but will basically fall between the second and fourth films. Kind of like a new third film. I don't like that idea. Either do a remake or do a regular sequel.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Just watched the alt. ending on YouTube...gotta say, I prefer the S-Mart ending. It was keeping in style with the rest of the film, and personally, I'd love to see an ED4 picking up where that one leaves off.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

If they remake ED, I don't think Nick Brendon will be Ash. I can see it, but for some reason I don't believe it would happen. Hey now, F13 had really tight continuity until Jason Goes to Hell. If you watch the movies, they always pick up where the other leaves off. I mean, replacement actors aside, they were kept tight until the unexplained resurrection in part 9. It happened again in Jason X, so I'm thinking that New Line just didn't care enough to actually give explainations for anything.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:10, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Not a continuity issue, that's a retconning issue. There's a difference. It's never officially explained how he survives, it's simply stated that he never actually drowned and wandered the woods living off the land. Chris was having a dream sequence, Mrs. Voorhees didn't really come out of the lake, just like Jason didn't come out of the lake with Alice at the end of the first one. Dream sequences have nothing to do with continuity. :P They changed the name back to Crystal Lake after part 6. Remember, there's like a 10 year time gap between part 6 and part 7. Part 7 begins an undisclosed amount of time after part 6. Look at the decomposition of his body. That's plenty of time to think "eh, everyone liked that other name". Not explaining what happens off camera in a decade amount of time is not a continuity error. If it was the next day, I'd give you that. Extra foot of height? If you are referring to going from a kid to an adult, see first response. If you are talking about the difference of height between actors...then come on, you'd have to do better than that. That's really nitpicky. You might as well say "the blue cup was red in the last scene". I think fans deem Manhattan "non-canon". I think, as far as the films go, they just plain ol ignore it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't "stitch" anything together, I reported the facts as they are in the film. The filmmakers have stated it was merely a dream sequence, as a throw back to the original film. For that matter, how did Alice dream of Jason when she hadn't met him either? Dream sequence, not something that actually takes place in "real time". Actor height is irrelevant because you cannot control for that. Short of hiring the same person over and over again, and I personally don't want Steve Dash for 10 films--as repeat actors only work for characters that actually speak and have personalities (i.e. Englund)--which they mainly didn't do for monitory reasons. Kane is the exception because each succeeding director liked what he did for the previous film. I'm not saying it's perfect, I mean, but it's not Evil Dead. They at least took the effort to make sure that what happened at the end of the previous film is what's happening at the beginning of the new film. Fictional brands..lol. Oh, it seems Mr. Movie believes scooper reports are reliable, even when they are anonymous--not that that makes a difference.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

She didn't know what he looked like. Why did her vision match a newspaper article that had his image? Jasonverse and the supernatural? Now who's using original research? You're guessing. I know it was a dream, based on the filmmakers (chalk one up for verifiability). How Chris slips into psychosis is her own knowing. Maybe she really didn't have that dream, maybe it was just for audiences? Maybe Paul is really alive and didn't get killed in Part 3. The endings of F13 are notorious for "not actually happening" with everything always being some crazy dream. At least until the fourth film.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

What OR did I use? I have sources to verify that it was just dream sequences, and that part 7 takes place an undisclosed amount of time after part 6, there could even be verification as to how and when the name of the town changed back...but I haven't read the book fully since I bought it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Timelines only really clash when you get to the New Line movies, because given the leap of years that take place in Part 6, Part 7, Part 8 and Part 9, when Jason X set a specific date of 2008, it potentially caused a problem. Remember, the first three sequels all take place on the same night, which would be 1984/1985. I don't think they actually give the graduating class in Manhattan a graduating year, so that's up in the air. If you went by what the filmmakers said, and what the films show--which I haven't calculated and don't plan to...at least not at this moment--you could potentially be past 2008.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right, it wasn't a single night, but I would think no more than a week; most were killed within the night they first arrived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bignole (talk • contribs) 04:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Your character sandbox

I was wondering why you're not working on the character articles in the mainspace. I understand they're not finished, but I was just reading your Faith page, and I think there are valuable things that could really benefit the current article right away. --Kweeket ^Talk 00:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Vampires

Cite video will work, because you are obviously citing a DVD and not the episode itself. If it's plain commentary on an episode, I'd put "So-n-so audio commentary for "Episode"". I'd also think about a new title, given that recent comment on one of those AfDs, probably this one, about "Buffyverse" being a fanmade title, and basically unprofessional. I mean, it's cool that Whedon and them started using it, but all in all, if the characters/concepts originated in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, then that's what the titles should represent. It isn't hard to mention the themes, concepts, etc etc carrying over to the show Angel when they spun it off. It hasn't been a big issue yet, but that's probably because there hasn't been any article with the title put up for promotion...yet (with you on the trail I'm sure one will).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

But where did it originate? The Hellmouth, Vampires, even the majority of the characters originated with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The simple fact that a few jumped shows over to Angel is irrelevant to the fact that, historically, they were Buffy elements. Should we retitle Jason and Freddy to incorporate "Friday the 13th Nightmare", or some other term used to describe the two universes. To me, you could look at the characters in two ways. You can say "Darla (Buffy the Vampire Slayer" or "Wesley (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)", and just state that the character's fictional appearances were predominantly on Angel...or, you could say "Darla (Angel)" and "Wesley (Angel)", and write that, even though the characters are more recognized as being part of Angel, they got their origin on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Yeah, I hated it when the Smallville companions were basically "I loved this episode, it was freshing", or "this wasn't so great because he rushed it". It helps me none. As far as Faith goes, give that--from what it appears--the article only uses 4 third-party sources, it may be better to wait till you have a cultural impact, or some other section that talks about the character. Then again, as you can see from the GA criteria, you only have to be "broad", not comprehensive. I mean, if you feel it's ready then go ahead and nominate it for GAC. It took over a month before I had to resort to getting Erik to review the F13 article, so putting it up now might mean you'll have another month before someone comes to review it--thus, you'll have a month to add more to it. I don't think I can review, simply because I've made a decent amount of assistance edits to the page...so there would be a bias.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I read through the Smallville companions hoping for some casting information on some of the guest stars. What do I get, "(s)he was a delight to work with." I'm like, thanks for nothing..do I honestly believe they'd say, "yeah, that little shit kept stealing all the scenes"? Personally, even though I've put articles up for it myself, I think GA is a load of hogwash. Theoretically, anyone can just walk up and say "yeah, this is great...I'll promote you". Then you have an article that may not necessarily meet criteria with GA status, until someone else notices it and puts it up for review. I went ahead and moved the article.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

What did I change that needed to be changed at the template page? I merely put in a new name, the template was already actually saying to put "Buffy character". I've put the page up for speedy deletion so that when we move Faith again (I moved her back) we will get both the mainspace and the talk page to move. Geeze, Whedon just got on everyone's nerves didn't he? Donald Sutherland is hilarious.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't care who says it, that was a stupid line. I meant Sutherland in general--Space Cowboys and Hollow Point immediately come to mind. And come on, you know he would have made a "wonderful boot-maker".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Never heard of Space Cowboys??? I don't know, I'm a Clint Eastwood fan (long live the Man with No Name). To me, it's just his delivery. He's funny when he's not trying to be, and the funny is a good funny. Not like those people who become funny because they're so horrible. He's pretty creepy in the body snatcher movies. The reference went over your head? If you got it, then it didn't, and I'm sure you figured it out when you were typing. I can't give Halle the majority of the blame when I think the line would have been stupid no matter who said it. Come on? "Do you know what happens to a Toad that's struck by lightning?...The same thing that happens to everything else!" Um...not really. Depends on what's being struck by lightning. If it's a tree, it'll probably catch flame. If it's a person, they could survive, it's happened. If it's a small animal, possibly explode. So really, "what happens to a Toad?" might not be what happens to everything else. Stupid....just stupid. Might have just have said, "what happens when you flip a coin?...it rotates!..MUAHAHAHAHAHA!"  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I haven't seen the film in awhile; I just have a memory for that stuff. It's after Buffy has been doing her training, she's talking to Merrick about the others and what he'll do when it's all over. He starts talking about his previous lives and that he always wanted to be a boot maker. Well, the's like 3 different "Body Snatcher" films, a "Puppet Masters" film, then the Faculty and most recently Invasion. Never seen a MwNN movie?? They're awesome, but I like spaghetti westerns in general. A lot of it is Ennio Morricone's music, which seems to get better with each film. They're pretty epic movies, so if you ever find yourself with some time to kill, and can find them, I'd recommend them. But then again, westerns aren't your thing. The only thing I can say is that spaghetti westerns don't have the same feel as regular westerns, but to same it doesn't matter. For me it does, because I could never watch Bonanza or any of those western TV shows...just too boring. Ironically, you do know that in Back to the Future III, Marty (Fox) is immitating the final showdown in A Fistful of Dollars--which is the first film in the Man with No Name trilogy.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Wrong Invasion. I mean this one. Another "gasp of horror"...you don't like Alien and Star Wars??!!?!!?!? Tsk tsk..you remind me of some friends who basically don't like any movie that wasn't created during their generation. lol. (Not a comparison to you, just a related matter) I had a friend who, if the movie had to much dialogue wouldn't like the movie. By too much dialogue, I'm not talking about a drama. He basically wanted to see explosions, boobs, explosions, death, exploding boobs, boobs of death...any combination that revolved around those items basically.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 06:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the reason you like Aliens is probably in-line with why most people like it over Alien, and that's because it's faster-paced, and more of a sci-fi action movie than a horror movie. My g/f liked Aliens over Alien; she saw Alien just like she say Halloween, slow to build up. I liked Sin City, a lot better than Rodriguez's Once Upon A Time in Mexico.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 07:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

That reminds me, Bryan Singer mentions an improved take on Whedon's line on his DVD commentary:

"Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? It croaks".

Alientraveller 13:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Singer, but that line sucks as well..lol Goldeneye was what got me back into Bond, I'm a big bond fan (just can't afford to buy all 20 movies right now). My favorite is Casino Royale, I thought that was an amazing movie, that managed to ground Bond in reality and give his character a depth that had been lacking for a very long time. I never really saw the Dalton movies, but I particularly despise the Roger Moore ones. He was not only a womanizer, but it was literally all about the sex for him. He couldn't say one damn line without making some tasteless innuendo. My childhood movies were the slasher movies. There were a couple of others that weren't, which I cannot remember the name of but can remember scenes from. I've been slowly tracking them down when I remember their names. Most recently was The Monster Squad--which I bought the 20th Anniversary when it came out. For the longest time I couldn't remember this vampire movie that was vividly stuck in my head, until I realized it was Return to Salem's Lot. When I cannot figure the movie out I used to assume that I must have simply dreamt it up, but the more movies I uncover that match my memories the more I'm sure I have a vault of untitled films waiting to be found.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Innuendo is a big part of Bond's character. Besides, For Your Eyes Only remains one of the best performances anyone has ever given as Bond. Anyway, I am a big Bond fan, I enjoyed Casino Royale and look forward to Daniel Craig's next outings. My favorite Bond flicks would have to be Goldfinger, The Spy Who Loved Me, GoldenEye, OHMSS and Casino Royale. Alientraveller 16:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You really need to see Casino Royale. From other people I've talked to, from those that liked Bond to those that hated all the Bond films, they all thought Casino was a really good movie. Personally, I think it works best with fans, because you get to pick up on all the little inside jokes that are laid out throughout the film. Hmm...I think I may watch that with dinner tonight. I cannot remember my first slasher movie--I was watching them at 6 and 7 years old. I do remember that the only film that could ever get me to shut my eyes was Texas Chain Saw Massacre...it was the chainsaw. That movie just seemed so real to me, and the chainsaw used to actually scare me. I could watch the hook scenes, and the beatings, but for some reason the chainsaw would make me close my eyes, like when he cut into his own leg at the end. Needless to say, it wasn't a problem when I get a little older, but I can still remember actually turning my head when he was slinging that thing all over the place. The ironic thing is, the only person he killed with it was Franklin, and you barely see anything. I think it had to have been just the sound that scared me, lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what it's like over there, but films on TV here suck. Everything good gets cut out, and sometimes they cut for time in a manner that cuts away important plot points. Stone statue? Brings to mind a segment of Creepshow 2, about the Indian Chief statue.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I had to laugh at that. I could see how you could build up the tension with it, but I was laughing watching it. I kept thinking, why is that guy just standing there. You can walk and stare at the same time. He obviously knew he wasn't going to stay in the room he was in. "why is it pointing at the light?" ..lol, priceless.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Just my point, much better to rent/buy/borror the movie and watch it. I wasn't totally dissing the angels. Just, seeing one little scene was kind of funny. "Don't blink!"..lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Vampire (Buffyverse)

Not quite, it's still mostly in-universe, which is one of the original concerns. --Coredesat 06:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Your work on Buffyverse articles

Long time no talk, my friend. Hope you're well. I honestly wish I had the time you have been putting on enhancing as much Buffyverse articles as you've been contributing to. Great job, and keep it up. I'm always interested in reading your updates.--The Scourge 07:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

F13

That about concludes the "Development" section in the franchise article. Any thoughts?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Nothing much really happened. I mean, he possesses Jesse and kills people. I didn't know what else to say, considering that the whole section actually looks as long as Jason's..lol. What I like about Part 2 is the music, especially during the scene where Freddy's saying, "You are all my children now", it's got some good score accompanying it. Part 3 is my favorite sequel in continuity, New Nightmare is probably my favorite overall. Which is ironic, because I can't sit and watch it over and over again, like I can say part 3. But, to me, New Nightmare did exactly what Craven intended, and that was bring Freddy back to the terrifyingness that he was in the original. 4 - 6 are alright, Freddy's Dead is more comedy then it is anything else, so it's enjoyable in that right. Personally, I think 1, 3, and 7 are the best...which is all of the Craven ones. The only problem with New Nightmare is the ending. It seemed to fizzle in the final reel, but until then, it was an awesome movie...in my opinion.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I kind of saw the undertones in 2, but if you don't read about it you really don't think about it all that much. The bar was a big one, but other subtle ones are when he leaves Lisa, whom he's about to get lucky with, and runs to Grady's bedroom? It is what it is, I guess. The director said it wasn't his intention to do that, but after being told, and looking at it again, he sees how it can be interpreted that way. 6 is partly an origin story, it goes back and show's you him as a kid, teenager and then married man. It also shows you how he got his powers.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Much harsher criticism? F13 never got any good press, the Nightmare movies at least had a more overall positive review than the F13 movies. I mean, Gene Siskel actually gave out Betsy Palmer's home address and told people to send her hate mail. lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Rarely by critics though. Critics generally hate them, at least, according to the filmmakers in the Crystal Lake Memories book. I think I can give way to the idea that Freddy is a "sell out", because, other than retconning the character, he really hasn't changed much personality-wise over the course of each of his films.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

New is closer to what he evisioned for the character originally, but could not afford to do...though, to me, he looked more realistically burned in the first film.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Just wait till you get to New Nightmare, I think in lapse you have with the sequels will make up for it with this one, but that's just me. You could very well hate it. ;)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

They ranked HIM sexy? ;), just teasing.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

He looks sickly. Look at the other pictures, he looks worse. I guess Brainiac is weak and sick in the beginning and then gets his strength back later.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Hugh Laurie sounds odd when he speaks with his natural British accent.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Jack

How do you feel the Jack lead is looking? I'm thinking if I can get it in a good shape, FA application could become a possibility.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 11:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Prime-Time Bitch!

I changed the main image, what do you think?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

It's actually a promo shot from Part 2. I couldn't find a decent one from Part 1, and he starts to just look like a rubber mask in 4, 5 and 6. I didn't want to use New Nightmare since the image is such a drastic change from his contemporary image. FvJ was kind recentism, but also, just no good images. The first movie has DVD commentary, so I'll go through that. I have the Nightmare Encyclopedia DVD on my Amazon wishlist, so I'll try and pick that up whenever I get the money. Plus, there are two "making of" books that were written back in the late 80s, early 90s...one is like 8 dollars, the other is like $30.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Mainly, because the fiery background was distracting, and I couldn't verify that it wasn't a fanmade image (especially since the source was IMDb, and the nightmarefilms.com didn't have that image). I went to IMDb's source, and I couldn't find the image there either--but it could have simply have been removed, or not posted on their website. Also, you cannot tell he's wearing a red and green sweater in the first image. Because of the flames and orange tone of the image, the green looks black.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Let's see, 5 would have been the comic boy, the forced feeding, and Dan the man. Did anyone else die? I can't remember, it's been awhile. The one thing I didn't like about continuity was with 4 and 5. Who the hell would be friends with Alice when they just saw 5 of her friends, and her brother all die. I mean, no mention of those people? Where did these new friends come from, and how did they become so close in a matter of a year? Seemed odd to me.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it'll all be over in two movies. ;)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

All the cheesy one-liners and horrible SFX. Well, actually, it will be over in one movie, "part 6", as New Nightmare doesn't really have too much of either.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

You're making me want to go watch them...at least the first, third, and last ones. Maybe I'll do that after I writes these papers I have due tomorrow.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Have no intention, as I put it back. I left the user a message explaining that "Buffyverse", regardless of the fact that Whedon has started using it, is still a fan created term, and article titles are not subject to fan terms. Also, per naming conventions, it should be "Buffy the Vampire Slayer".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Could be a double redirect, which means you may need to find an Admin to help move it. I'd put in the exact title you want to move them to in the search, and if it redirects then that's probably the reason. I would contact HBdragon (sp), the Admin the helped move Faith over, for assistance with any of them.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Again, I like to think New Nightmare will more than make up for those sequels, but you never know how someone else will see it. I remember watching it with my g/f, and some friends (this was before she saw the original, but it was ok because it didn't have continuity with any other film and everyone and their mother knows who Freddy is). It was fun to watch her actually jump during suspenseful scenes, which she didn't do with those Nightmare sequels when we watched them. The UberJason was the redeeming factor in Jason X. No matter how bad the costume looked on the regular Jason, and the horrible SFX (which were basically outdated SFX), the UberJason looked awesome. I would certainly have liked to have seen more of him in the movie.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, no, we skipped that one. I was getting her caught up for FvJ, and I figured, there wasn't anything that important in that one. I think we skipped Part 5 as well. lol. Actually, those "yellow gloves" were workmen's gloves, which are standard tan colored. I don't think the point of those girls in X were to get him to have sex..lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Tan is virtually yellow. This is basically what he wore, though I don't think they actually make the exact pair he wore anymore. I don't remember what she thought, but I'm pretty sure she liked it, at least better than the others. Same with AvP.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I liked AvP, and I can't wait for the sequel. T3 kind of sucked. With Christian Bale as John Connor, you have to hope it will be decent.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I think he left town hoping the nightmares would stop if he left. I think the movie was running well until the moment that Heather went into the dream world. I loved the bedroom scene where Freddy comes out of the sheet, and breaks through the moment that Heather finally accepts being "Nancy" one last time. It's the dream scenes where it's basically Hansel and Gretal, cooking Freddy in his boiler. I mean, great symbolism, but it was just weak. I mean, with the first one, it was about Nancy taking away his power by not being afraid of him any more. This one was just like, he became weak for no reason. Maybe he was less omnipotent in the dream world than before, and thus easier to handle. I don't know, but the ending is that received a lot of criticism. Craven started strong, but finished running on fumes.

Oh, are you seeing this guy over at the Buffy article, moving the page to without the "TV series" attached?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Ironically, he's an admin. I had the page protected. Let's see if he uses his powers to void the protection, or abides by it and starts discussing this on the article talk page.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

What?! I've outlined in great detail my rationale on the article talk page, with reference to naming conventions. I've also asked you twice on my user talk to take the discussion to article talk. You have a lot of nerve to say I'm not willing to discuss! I'm here. Read my arguments, read the guidelines, discuss. Tell me why the naming conventions should be ignored in this case. Please! --kingboyk (talk) 18:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Buffyverse articles

There, I've moved them all to their non-fan invented terms. Ugh, I hate those -verse names; I had my own experience with those with the Ender's Game series articles. I couldn't argue that it was fan invented since First Meetings used the term. Finally, someone did a CFD on the category, and all the articles were subseequently moved. Anyway, one caveat – Darla's article had an edit history, so could you check to see if the current Darla (Buffy the Vampire Slayer) article contains any words, sentences, from Darla (Buffy)? hbdragon88 (talk) 22:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I've been looking over the "places" articles in the Buffyverse, and it looks as though most do not meet WP:FICT, except for maybe the library since some third party has discussed this. May I suggest a few (such as Buffy's house, the library, the high school, the Magic Box) of these articles be merged into Sunnydale? hbdragon88 (talk) 04:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)