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Happy editing! Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 19:46, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

June 2023

Hi Nntenner! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Katherine Gilmore Richardson that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Beccaynr (talk) 20:54, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! Nntenner (talk) 22:15, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome, but please note that I had reverted changes you made, and you have added them back without discussion - we have a voluntary practice here referred to as WP:BRD, which encourages discussion after a reversion, and I encourage you to review it.

What I would like to discuss is how our articles should primarily be based on independent, reliable, secondary coverage. The need for these sources is also discussed in our notability guideline - the sources that were in the Personal life section are the type that help support her notability because they help show the depth of coverage about her. The discussion that happened when this article was nominated for deletion is an example of why including these sources in the article can be important.

However, if there are other concerns about the Personal life content, I am happy to better understand them - we also have a policy about biographies of living people and the types of information that should and should not be included. I realize this is all a lot of suggestions, guidelines, and policy to share with you, so please let me know if you have any questions, and again, welcome! Beccaynr (talk) 02:03, 8 June 2023 (UTC) - updated comment with clarification Beccaynr (talk) 04:55, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi! When you say "our articles should primarily be based on independent, reliable, secondary coverage" are you referring to the source I used when I replaced the information in the personal life section? I currently serve as her Communications Manager, so I just added over the information that we have listed on the official PHL Council website per her request. We were not interested in inputting the information of the exact date her and her husband got married so we swapped it out. However, if it must be added back in I am sure she would not mind. Nntenner (talk) 13:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the disclosure - I have added a connected contributor template to the article talk page on your behalf to help comply with the conflict of interest guideline. Please note that according to this guideline, you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly and you may propose changes on talk pages by using the {{request edit}} template or by posting a note at the COI noticeboard, so that they can be peer reviewed. I encourage you to review the entire COI guideline and related links on the guideline page.

In the meantime, I am happy to review edit requests when I can, and I think we can remove the exact date of marriage while also not removing the independent, reliable, secondary sources. One issue to keep in mind is that we generally want to avoid what is referred to as promotion here, so while using anyone's personal, business, or political website can sometimes be okay for limited information, how her council website is used in the introductory section of the MOS:LEAD does not appear to be within policy. The lead should be a summary of the main points in the article, and the lead that was previously written was based on the independent, reliable, and secondary sources in the article and what was reported as noteworthy. The addition of information to the lead that only appears on her office website can be considered promotional, so I plan to remove it based on that policy, and also because it appears to directly copy the website wording, which is likely a copyright violation.

Also, we can talk more about how to donate an image to Wikipedia, if there is interest in that, but in the meantime, please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Good afternoon. I wanted to inquirer about making an edit to the update you made to Katherine Gilmore Richardson’s birthday yesterday. If I was to submit an edit, what type of source would I need to confirm? An article from a secondary source? I believe before your edit it had the correct date, month and year listed but I am not sure. Nntenner (talk) 18:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Nntenner, before my recent edit to add an approximate birth year (using a template that calculates the approximate year based on a source that reports her age), there had not been a birth date in the article since I had removed unsourced birthdates in January and February 2022 according to the WP:DOB section of the biographies of living persons policy. This section of the policy discusses reasons for caution about personal information, as well as the types of sources that can support inclusion of some information. If you have sources that specifically identify her birth date or year, please let me know. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 18:57, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I truly appreciate you always breaking everything thing! Nntenner (talk) 21:13, 11 June 2023 (UTC)