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Hachikokuyama

Hi, I'm glad to see that someone else has taken an interest in Hachikokuyama. I deleted the reference to the Seattle Space Needle since I did not see how it is a relevant benchmark to compare against. Perhaps verses another famous park would be better? Hope you don't mind. Bryan MacKinnon 13:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

question on Braille

Hi Nesnad,

I have a question for you about Japanese Braille. It's been so long since I've seen it that I can't remember: On syllables like gya, does the dakuten + yo'on sign go before the ki (as I assume), or between the ki and the ya?

Thanks, kwami 19:06, 2005 September 2 (UTC)

Nevis

Have you been to Nevis before? I have, and I found out quite a bit on the island. Icelandic Hurricane 13:38, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Basicjapanesekeyboard-notfinished.jpg

Hi. Thanks very much for the Japanese keyboard layout image that you created... Just letting you know, I've made an SVG version of this, Image:KB_Japanese.svg, and I was wondering if you have any comments on the image you'd like to offer so that I can improve it. Cheers! --StuartBrady (Talk) 21:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Cxworld screenshot.jpg

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Here's a good rationale example for your screenshot [1]. Just do something similar as a rationale for your image. If it's that big a deal I can do it myself in a few days.--Wizardman 05:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright, no problem. Actually I just realized that the image never needed a rationale in the first place because of the upload date... oops on my part. Caused you worry for nothing, I would've ended up takign the tag back off when I saw it in the backlog two weeks from now, lol.--Wizardman 05:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

The Dig (novel)

Dear Nesnad, Thanks for your response to comments on this article (discussion). I have left a second statement on the discussion page which includes some part of a response to what you wrote, and would value your further reaction to the points raised in it. I think it might be possible to rescue part of this text under a different article title and with in-line citations, leaving the novel's own page to a separate development of its own. My interest in this is to get a clear statement of the differences between the fact and the fiction about the excavation onto an open record, so that the modifications to fact (which are quite demonstrable from published sources) in the novel do not become believed in by readers of the novel as if they were fact. Probably I have used Wikipedia incorrectly in order to try to do this, but it woud be really helpful if the right context within Wikipedia for this verifiable information could be identified, so that I can work on it! Otherwise I can envisage a Wikipedia article on the novel saying 'this is a novel set in the context of the historical events surrounding the excavation of Sutton Hoo', and that would, absolutely NPOV, be misleading, since the events have (with the author's own admission, and demonstrably from sources) been fictionalised, though the names and objects remain the same. The problem is that the author has not said this sufficiently clearly within the covers of the book, but only in his ephemeral publicity, which future readers are not so likely to read. Surely it is better that Wikipedia tells the truth? Many thanks, Dr Steven Plunkett 01:31, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Sumoclip

Thank you very much for uploading Image:Sumoclip-may242007-tokyo.ogg; I think it adds a lot to the Sumo article. But I wonder if you could please recheck who the sumotori are? If May 24 was the day you took the video, that would be the 12th day of the honbasho, but on that day Mankajyou (spelled Mankajo here) won his bout with Gotenyu. I don't claim to be any kind of expert on the non-sekitori divisions, but I can find no record of any sumotori named "Tsuyoshitenyuu", however spelled. Are you sure you heard the shikona correctly? TCC (talk) (contribs) 23:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Never mind; I see you must have done the transliteration from the kanji yourself. 剛天佑 is Gōtenyū, not Tsuyoshitenyuu. [2] They apparently use an on-reading in this case. (My practically uneducated guess.) TCC (talk) (contribs) 00:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I am less than a novice when it comes to reading Japanese, so I rely on expert sumo sources. (I assume that the poetic shikona they use aren't typical expressions!) Everywhere I can find this rikishi listed in romaji, it's "Gotenyu". (or Gōtenyū, or Goutenyuu -- pick your transliteration.) You should have been able to hear the yobidashi and gyoji announcing them before the bout though; what did they say? TCC (talk) (contribs) 23:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

OK. Let me check with some other sumo fans and let you know what I get. You are maybe right, since I am not really an expect with sumo names I guess. Although of course they announced his name (and even sang it out for crying out loud!) I don't remember what they said now. I'll let you know, but I guess I'm leaning towards you are right. Nesnad 02:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Seoul Kims' guest house

A tag has been placed on Seoul Kims' guest house, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seoul Kims' guest house

I think you miunderstand how AfD works. AfDs are open for five days, after which they can be closed at any point. Not only was this AfD open for 11 full days, but there was no discussion at all for 7 days. The only one voting to keep the article was you, the creator, and notability had not been established with reliable sources (the travel guide may well be reliable, but it didn't establish notability.) I'm sorry you're offended, but I stand by my decision.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

First, let me say I'm very sorry you're agrivated, I know having articles you started deleted is frustrating. You can take this up at deletion review if you really think deletion was unwarranted, but I must tell you that it's unlikely to be overturned. Like I said, notability was not established, and consensus was for deltion. The impetus for finding sources and establishing notability is on the ones who want it kept; also note that the fact that other non-notable articles exist does not exclude this one from the meeting the notability criteria.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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Special Barnstar for Tenacity!

		The Special Barnstar
		Nobody tries harder than Nesdnad! If you can get him to help with your article (provided it is a notable topic) your article has a friend indeed! He leaves no stone unturned! OfficeGirl 17:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Ring a ring o' roses

Hello. I was curious about your edit of "ring a ring o' roses". I can't read Japanese, so I can't tell from the Japanese Wikipedia whether the translation has any currency there (i.e. whether it is actually commonly sung and played by children). If not, surely there is no need of the translation in the article (there are endless languages into which you can translate a song; but it's not giving any information about it to do so, at least not in an English language encyclopedia). The material in the section at the moment is discussing songs & games which appear to be related by descent.

The Japanese children's game you link to is relevant, although there are a huge number of British / American and European ring dancing games that we don't mention in the article. Really they need their own article, in which the whole world could be taken into account.

Briefly, I'd leave the ref. to the Japanese children's game for now and delete the Japanese translation of "Ring a ring of roses", if it's just a translation someone has made (hasn't become traditional in Japan). N p holmes (talk) 08:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I added a brief reply to your comment on my talk page. But if on reflection you don't see that it ought to go (or if I'm misunderstanding something), I'll leave it at that. N p holmes (talk) 13:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

OK. I've read your reply to my reply and think I can see where the misunderstanding is. I added the section "Other Languages" not to put languages into which RAROR has been translated, but related dance songs (if someone had added a modern German translation of RAROR I'd have made the same comment). These independently existing dances tell us something about the age and likely character of the English version (the German, for instance, is attested earlier). I should have given the section a different title, something like "Related singing games in other languages"; that's what it was about, anyway. If I've understood you, a Japanese translation of RAROR is known to Japanese children. In that case, the best thing would be to bring it into the article in the "Current versions" table and retitle the "Other languages" section along the lines I mentioned above. N p holmes (talk) 14:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Mindan flag

Thank you for your kind words. Please feel free to correct the font, if you know the one used for the flag. Cheers! Kzaral (talk) 11:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

gojuuon

Hi Nesnad,

Actually, AFAIK the on doesn't come from on-yomi. It's the other way around.

Yi and wu have never been allowed by Japanese phonotactics, as far back as we can trace the language. Ye merged with e while man'yougana was still in use, so there are no historical hiragana or katakana for ye. Apparently, ad hoc kana were created for these CV combinations in the Meiji Era for pedagogical purposes; it looks to me as though ye is derived from e.

In kana charts for Westerners, there are 47 CV kana in 50 cells. However, in charts designed for Japanese children, all 50 cells are filled. The ya-gyou contains duplicate e and i, and the wa-gyou contains a duplicate u. That is, those two rows of the chart are presented as ya i yu e yo and wa wi u we wo. That is because when you inflect a verb ending in yu or u, these are the forms of the inflection.

The question then is whether the name gozyuuon was coined along with the promulgation of the three new kana, or whether it was named after the fact that the chart has 50 cells, and 50 kana/inflections of Japanese verbs, even if three of them are duplicates. I don't know the answer of that question, which would require that we track down Meiji Era government documents unless we can find a summary of the history somewhere. — kwami (talk) 18:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Nesnad, the hiragana yi and ye are just hentaigana for i and e. Maybe someone decided at some point to distinguish them, but they continued to mean i and e until the war, and probably still do at udon shops and the like. I seriously doubt they were the source of the term gozyuuon. (Note also that there is no hiragana for wu.) The three extra katakana used for pedagogy (how widely? for how long?) are different - they seem to be intentional creations to fill out the chart - but I'd like to see some evidence before accepting that they're the reason for the name '50 sounds', rather than a product of it. — kwami (talk) 05:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Your comments on Talk:Astronaut

• Your accusation that I am bigoted towards China is complete nonsense. If you cared to look at my user page before spouting baseless personal attacks you would see that I am currently learning Chinese, am a member of WikiProject Hong Kong and (although not stated on my user page) WikiProject China. If you cared to look at my contributions you would see that I regularly edit China-related articles. You would also see I had completely reworked the Hong Kong and Shanghai articles, attempting to reach GA and FA status, and made many improvements to Beijing. I have also started a series of articles on Beijing Subway stations. If you cared to click on the link to my Wikimedia Commons page and took a look at my contributions there, you would see that I have uploaded many China images, and even created a series of SVG maps of China which took quite a while. I have also contributed to 2008 Sichuan earthquake, fought to remove anti-China bias in 2008 Tibetan unrest and took objection to an over-abundance of criticism in Concerns and controversies over the 2008 Summer Olympics.

• Normally I would not respond to such outbursts but yours was particularly insulting. It is a blatant violation of Wikipedia's No personal attacks policy, and as such I am giving you the following notice, and will report you if the character attacks continue.

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.

• You also accused me of not reading your comments, a quite laugable statement as you constantly seem to be repeating yourself and not recognising that I have in fact already answered your questions.

• Your continued claim that I am biased, attempting to inject a POV in to the article and contributing towards a "members only mentality" is in violation of Wikipedia's Assume good faith policy.

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.

• If you still do not understand the reason behind my and 2 other editor's objections to the word "taikonaut" being used on the article Astronaut, then I suggest you carefully re-read the discussion in its entirety. Otherwise, a 3rd opinion is the next step.

--Joowwww (talk) 14:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

As I said on the talk page that you mentioned: Joowwww--- Claiming that I am personally attacking you and threatening me with "reporting me" is more of a personal attack from you, in the disguise of bureaucracy. I did not say you are a bigot, and if you are not one you would not have felt attacked even if I had called you such. I said "you have deep seeded bigotry towards including China" which I intend to mean as a reference towards the issue at hand, not your own personal existence/lack of bigotry in general. (As an example of a how me and you don't see eye to eye: I know you are involved in Hong Kong projects and what not, that doesn't mean you wouldn't have a personal issue with including China. To me, it seems to increase the reason why you would.) Basically, I was trying to express the same thing as you said to me. We are both saying the same thing, and it isn't going anywhere... Simply you deeply disagree with me, and I deeply disagree with you. Realizing that I must be civil about this (since clearly you are ruffled by this?) I must step down from my discussion with you. I will be open to discussing it with anyone else, but Joowwww (and this isn't an attack) isn't up to discussing this together with me with out feeling threatened, something I honestly do not wish to do. Wikipedia is for discussing things with people, not hating on people. So unless anyone else wants to come in, I think I will let the matter be for the moment. (Don't say I didn't try though!)

And another thing (lol) ...what is up with those "welcome to Wikipedia" things?? I have been here since 2004 or something, your welcome is a bit slow. Nesnad (talk) 16:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to respond to a few of your statements:

1. Telling you that you could be reported isn't a personal attack. Not only is it standard Wikipedia policy, it's a comment on your contributions, not you personally. This you would realise if you read WP:NPA.
2. Yes I work on Hong Kong articles but my contributions towards many other China-related articles voids your claim that I could still have an issue with China.
3. It isn't a matter of agreeing or disagreeing, you simply seem unable or unwilling to accept consensus or Wikipedia policy on common usage.
4. To me, your posts on Talk:Astronaut indicate a higher level of agitation. I have every right to be "ruffled" at a personal attack.
5. Clearly you do not read replies to your posts. If you did then you would see that I have already stated that I am willing to discuss this further using the third opinion process. Me "not being up to discussion" is your conclusion, not mine.
6. The "welcome" messages were standard warning templates. I didn't write them, I just transcluded them onto the page.
7. Reposting and rewording my message to you onto my talk page isn't exactly civil or constructive.

--Joowwww (talk) 16:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Restoration of comments

Perhaps you'd like to read WP:DRC. --Joowwww (talk) 17:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you'd like to read it too? It clearly says at the top of the page: "This is an essay, a page containing the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. Essays may represent widespread norms or minority viewpoints, and they may be heeded or not based upon your judgment and discretion." So I still think removing any of my replies from your talk page is very uncivil and not conducive to a discussion with you. That is of course my opinion only. You are clearly being very angry here, and trying to attack me "with the machine" so to speak. That is petty. I will not continue this if you keep that up. Please stop harassing me. Thank you, may you have a great day, Nesnad (talk) 17:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

It still says I can: "They may be heeded". And yet again you seem to be doing nothing but throwing around wild accusations, this time of harassment. Would you care to explain yourself? --Joowwww (talk) 17:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

As I said on my page (and I fear you will delete, as per your habit):

You are removing my discussion with you. There is no way for me to talk with you about this in a civil way if I do not have any history to reply to [t]here. If you understand anything about how the process works here at Wikipedia you will let this comment stay. However, I'm sure you will delete it [over there] too since you seem to be showcasing your bias by deleting anything that disagrees with you. Not cool, I must say. Keep in mind, I mean that towards your actions not your character. I'm sure you are a quite cool person individually. However, your non-stop personal attacks on me, and aggressive manner have led me to wish that we don't communicate regarding these things unless you can be more civil. If you do not understand why I claim that you are harassing me, this deletion of my opinion is a great example. It exemplifies, to me, how you throw odd "welcome to Wikipedia" templates on my talk page (I have been here since 2004, before your edits start on this account) and all sorts of wild claims and yet when I respond you delete them immediately from your talk page. You clearly do not understand civil discourse. I can not communicate with an aggressive revisionist (regarding your talk page). However, I wish you the best of luck with your edits, cheers!

Nesnad (talk) 17:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

1. My formal request for a third opinion indicates my willingness to further discuss the issue.
2. I'm well within my rights to delete unconstructive nonsense from my talk page. Furthermore, this is not harassment, read WP:HA.
3. Read point 6 of my message above, because you clearly didn't the first time.

--Joowwww (talk) 17:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Joowww, you are being agressive and mean spirited (I mean this in regards to your actions, not about you as a person). I try to hold civil discourse with you and you delete anything I put up on your talk page. That is a sign that you are not here to share a civil discussion but wish to push your own ideas. I do not think I can communicate with you if you keep this up. (And regarding 6 above, I know they were templates but the use of them is either a personal jab or a sign of odd behavior. Simply you are attacking me "with the machine" and it has to stop. If you are angry, please take a deep breath. When you are ready to talk civil, let me know!) I mean no malice towards you, but I can not talk with someone who is unable to discuss things civilly. Thank you, have a great day, Nesnad (talk) 17:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

1. I'm perfectly calm, and always willing to engage in constructive discussion with rational individuals. Your description of my comments as "aggressive" is simply your interpretation.
2. If you want to discuss the article Astronaut, I am willing to do so on Talk:Astronaut. If you want to discuss how I contribute to Wikipedia, I am willing to do so here, as indicated by my continued response to your comments.
3. The use of the NPA and AGF templates had no "odd" motive. It is a standard series of warning templates, going from stage 1 to stage 4. See Template:uw-npa1, Template:uw-npa2, Template:uw-npa3, and Template:uw-npa4.

--Joowwww (talk) 18:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

If you did not know that they said "welcome to Wikipedia" you shouldn't have used them. And if you did know, it was an odd choice to use them with someone who has been here as long as me. Discussing your issues with me instead of throwing templates at me would have been more civil. But Joowww, I am unable to discuss with you. You delete anything I offer. That is not civil. You are interested in pushing your own ideas, but unwilling to have a constructive conversation with me (I don't want to have to read your history every time I comment on your page in order to remember what I said before). You clearly don't understand how talk pages are used. We have fundamental differences in opinion that you are not helping to solve by your aggressive behavior towards me. I do not find your behavior constructive. Please stop harassing me on my talk page, we are unable to communicate if you are not ready to do it civilly. Thanks, Nesnad (talk) 18:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

1. I'm not harassing you, I'm replying to your comments that are directed at me.
2. Yes I did know the template had the welcome message. It's a standard template, as I have already said, and I don't veer from Wikipedia policy by using my own.
3. I do know how to use a talk page, as proven by my use of yours, and that at Talk:Astronaut.

--Joowwww (talk) 18:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

You are harassing me because I have asked you repeatedly to stop throwing things at me if you can't discuss them like equals (deleting what I offer on your talk page is too aggressive for me, and by not acknowledging my issue with that, you are actively trying to antagonize me). Where is it "policy" to throw a template at someone when you are having a personal disagreement? You are just trying to find ways to veil your attacks. Please stop. I have asked you again and I don't wish to ask once more. If you can not talk to me in a civil way, there is not much point to our discussion. I mean you no malice, peace, Nesnad (talk) 18:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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I actually like the new image that has been uploaded. If you want to make the changes to the image I uploaded, please feel free to do so.Konczewski (talk) 12:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

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I don't think a mere vectorisation of a menu will stop it from being a derivative work of copyrighted material. Can you please upload the original vector version and use it under fair-use instead? Thanks. --antilived^{T | C | G} 04:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)