Morton Sumner

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Hello, Morton Sumner, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{help me}} before the question. Again, welcome! Shearonink (talk) 19:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

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Hope this helps, Shearonink (talk) 19:02, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Useful links

Here are some useful links that should help you work on your article:

• Your first article
• Referencing for beginners
• Wikipedia:Notability (people)
• Notability for creative professionals
• Reliable sources

Hope this helps, Shearonink (talk) 19:02, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

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Hello, Morton Sumner. You have new messages at Shearonink's talk page.
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PS - Posts on talkpages are put at the bottom of the page. Just click on "New section" up at the top and the system will takes care of that automatically for you. Also, remember to sign your posts at the end with four tildes ~ ... the system will automatically put your username and a link to your talkpage after your post. Shearonink (talk) 22:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Richard MacDonald

Just a couple of quick notes:

• You removed the hatnote "For the fast-food pioneer" - which lets readers know if they've ended up at the wrong place in case they are looking for the same-sounding person, Richard McDonald (one of two brothers who had a hand in founding "McDonald's").
• You marked all your June 14th edits as 'minor'. The Minor editing box is reserved for edits that do not alter the meaning of an article, like correcting grammar or spelling mistakes, but this June 14th edit basically re-wrote the article and is not minor and this June 14th edit added a completely new External Link and is not minor.
• You added a "POV tag" {{POV|date=May 2011} to the article. I am not sure why you added this tag to the article when it was extensively re-written for the move into mainspace and you have edited it extensively since then.
• You added a 'quotes' section and that section is unreferenced.
• You removed the picture of MacDonald which is featured as part of the article's "Did You Know?" nomination.
• I was looking through the references...the one reference of 'ref name= "Richard MacDonald" from Sculpture Review is missing a page # and it really needs that information to be truly verifiable. If you know the page-number, please add it to that reference.

I have edited the article: added the photo back, deleted the errant POV tag, added the Wiki-link "For the fast-food pioneer" tag back in and placed an 'unreferenced' tag on the quotes section. If you want to discuss any of my edits, please post on Talk:Richard MacDonald. The article is really looking much improved since I first saw your draft. Cheers, --Shearonink (talk) 01:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the notes. Here's my motivation:

• Having the "fast food pioneer" as a lead on this artist's page tends to distract in a way I found undesirable. You'd originally titled this "Richard MacDonald (Sculptor)" which I thought was ideal, but somehow that was changed, and I don't know how to revise?
• Sorry about my confusion on the "minor edit" status. Wasn't certain what the definition was. I mainly reviewed all my notes from you and others I'd spoken to and decided I still hadn't gotten sufficiently concise and "encyclopedic" so I decided to remove much superfluous material. Editing out, seemed minor compared to adding or full rewrites.
• Pov tag? hmmm. not sure what I did there, or what that means?
• I took out the MacDonald portrait after reviewing other contemporary artists pages (Frederick Hart, Robert Graham) and noting that they didn't have any artist photos. Thought it might come off egotistical or promotional, but will happily see it remain at your discretion.
• The quotes came from some gallery show materials I'd found during research. Again though, I noticed that the Frederick Hart page had unreferenced quotes. I could contact the artist's studio to see if someone on his staff can verify.?

Thanks, as ever Morton Sumner (talk) 19:06, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Hart_(sculptor) Morton Sumner (talk) 19:07, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

• Regardless of what is done with other articles, according to Wikipedia guidelines, content is to be referenced from reliable sources that is verifiable. If the Hart quotes are not backed up (or cannot be backed up) by cited references, then they should be removed.
• I like the photo because it looks directly at the reader, also it was used in the "Did You Know?" nomination.
• Another editor changed the article title, I can't remember their exact rationale but it made sense to me at the time.
• The link to one of the McDonald brothers of "McDonald's" fame is not a 'lead', it's to keep people from being confused if they are looking for the (hamburger)Mr. McDonald. I will check to see if there is a similar link at Richard McDonald. I will ask some other editors what they think about the two same-sounding named articles.

Shearonink (talk) 23:39, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Richard MacDonald

Materialscientist (talk) 18:02, 17 June 2011 (UTC)