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Podontia manilensis

Hi, could you tell me where you found this species name? All I've found so far is a mention on iNaturalist, and nothing more. Just wondering in case it helps me find out more information on it, it's the only one left in the genus I haven't been able to verify. (Also since I'm here, thank you for creating the Podontia and Podontia affinis articles, as well as providing images for them!) Monster Iestyn (talk) 17:03, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Well, I don’t know, but I have a possible solution

I only found it on iNaturalist too and nothing else, which I why I put the question mark. I put it there since from my experience iNaturalist curators don’t make taxon pages just because they were asked to, I think you need to have proof that it exists (link, book, pdf etc.) and that it is valid (not a synonym, belongs in the said genus/any type of taxa, etc.) but maybe sometimes they’ll probably google it. You could message the one who created/curated Podontia manilensis if there is an option to do that. Otherwise I don’t know, if you don’t find anything else feel free to remove it. And No problem! Thank you too for adding many citations to my pages along with information! Monarchatto (talk) 17:10, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, glad to help. :) In that case, I'm wondering myself if it might have been included on iNaturalist by mistake somehow... without the authority or any references there's little or no way to check that though, annoyingly. 17:52, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Might be, but not sure. Could it be a synonym mistaken for another species?Monarchatto (talk) 03:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

If it was a synonym, I might have seen something referring to that at least. I'm thinking more like a species mistakenly placed in the wrong genus for some reason, a name that isn't actually in the literature at all. Something like Asiophrida manilensis might actually be the real name for instance, since apparently some Podontia species are synonyms of Asiophrida species. (See here and search for "Podontia" and/or "manilensis" and you'll see what I mean, if you're allowed to see a Snippet view of the book) This is just wild speculation to be honest, but that's the best I've got for now. Monster Iestyn (talk) 04:54, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah it looks like it, I think it’s probably synonym of Asiophrida manilensis. If it was actually Podontia it would’ve likely been in some sort of book or journal right?Monarchatto (talk) 05:02, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

If it had ever been Podontia it would have been listed as a synonym somewhere. But yeah, it could be actually Asiophrida manilensis. Monster Iestyn (talk) 05:13, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi again! Extremely late update to the mystery "Podontia manilensis" from two years ago, but I started a discussion on it on iNaturalist itself some months ago, and I've just finally got a response from a curator: [1]. It sounds like iNaturalist imported this name from uBio (which as far as I've heard is a dead website now), which raises more questions than it answers. In any case, it's been marked as inactive now, so it should no longer be listed on iNaturalist at all anymore. Monster Iestyn (talk) 06:22, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Sources and references

Hello, Iestyn, can I ask you a question too? I use Google Scholar to find most of my sources. But you seem to find lots of obscure (to me at least) sources, how do you that? I am trying to find more sources for my page Phyllanthus fluitans so I can put more information in the page but I’ve only been seeing apparent medicinal papers about other Phyllanthus species (emblica, urinaria, niruri, caroliensis, etc.) Monarchatto (talk) 17:34, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Having edited pages on leaf beetles for a few years now, I'm aware of quite a few people historical and present who have written articles on them (including flea beetles). I've been making lists of publications by these people over on Wikispecies, which I am more active on usually, so I can easily refer to them in case they've already written an article on the species or such. Otherwise, the main Google website or Google Books can be helpful sometimes. Another useful resource sometimes is the Biodiversity Heritage Library, which has online archives for a lot of historical publications. Monster Iestyn (talk) 17:47, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you a lot! I really appreciate it!Monarchatto (talk) 05:02, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

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