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Adding to List of Best Selling Latin Albums

Hi 88marcus I was looking at the Draft:List of best-selling Latin albums and I think we should add the album Hijas del Tomate by Las Ketchup because according to the source I used for the worldwide sales the album sold around 2.6 million copies. The album was certified Platinum in Europe and Mexico and 4x Platinum in the U.S. but I was hoping you could look at the book about Spanish certifications to see if it received any higher certification than just a single Platinum. Could you look that up please? FanDePopLatino (talk) 02:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@FanDePopLatino: I only saw the platinum cert there, but you can download de book (only the certs. parts) via Mediafire (search for mediafire there, the certs are divided like: 1979 to 1990, 1990 to... and so on) on the article List of best-selling music artists.--88marcus (talk) 02:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay thanks. FanDePopLatino (talk) 03:29, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Enrique Iglesias (album) sales

Hi. I was reading Enrique Iglesias sales and I guess its sales are really inflated. The album has only 1.66 million certified units, of which 1 million comes from RIAA "shipments". As of 2017, the album was not listed among "The Top 25 Biggest Selling Latin Albums of the Last 25 Years", which means its actual sales are less than 568K in the United States, according to Nielsen. source

With all of these, don't you think selling more than "6 million" copies worldwide is inflated? If so, can you find another source for its sales which represents a better sales number in compare to its certified units? Albums like Más and Vuelve have much more certified units for the "six million", with Vuelve doing much better and not even comparable on the charts. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 20:13, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

@آرمین هویدایی: You're right. I tried to find something like 4 million but couldn't find any. Only 5 million and I included it there. If you think is inflated, just delete the information. Regarding US sales, Nielsen Soundscan did not cover all stores at that time and until the mid 2000s it was very difficult to give an accurate figure for sales by Latin artists. That's why Shakira, Ricky Martin and other artists have certificates much higher than sales calculated by them. The list you mentioned is about Nielsen sales, probably.--88marcus (talk) 22:38, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh I got it and thanks for finding the source, I think 5 is ok. And thanks for explaining, yes I also saw Ricky Martin sold 987,000 sold at BMG Music Clubs, which Nielsen did not count as an example. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 11:48, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Michael Jackson’s Certifications

Can you explain why Michael Jackson’s available certifications are too low? His claimed sales of the 'Thriller' and 'Bad' albums surpass million mark, with 1.5 million and 1 million respectively, although Guinness records lists 'Thriller' as having sold 3 million copies in Brazil. Jackson’s total available certification from brazil is only at 280k and that’s just does not seem right.TruthGuardians (talk) 17:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@TruthGuardians: It's Sony Music's fault. All his albums and DVDs have at least one gold record in Brazil, but they didn't bother to certify them. I know this because since 2003, Brazilian CDs and DVDs have come with a code that represents the number of albums that were brought to stores, for example: 12 thousand (AA12000) copies of DVD Number ones were distributed initially, then another 2 thousand (AB 2000), then 2.5 thousand (AC 2500) and so on. It's the only way to know how high his sales were in Brazil, after 2003. Guinness's 3 million is as inflated as the 120 million sold copies of Thriller they posted on the site years ago, but by searching in old Brazilian newspapers you will find reports that Thriller sold over a million copies there by 1989. (codes can be viewed on the Chartmasters website or on the Ukmix forum)--88marcus (talk) 22:39, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the crash course. I’ve been in contact with the Michael Jackson Estate and they said that the 3 million figure for 'Thriller' is actually on the low side of what Sony America records prove. According to insiders, Jackson’s records were purposefully lost for political reasons to push native artists. They have receipts proving this. Based on this, I don’t believe the number is inflated. Especially considering that it sold 1.5 million copies as of 1991. It’s not hard to believe that it has sold a minimum of another 1.5 million since. Especially after Jackson died in 2009, you couldn’t keep his music in the shelves. Guinness records have since updated 'Thriller' to 66 million, but need to now be updated to 70 million pure albums sold worldwide. The album has sold 120 million records worldwide. The record keeping company needs to lower Elvis’ inflated number of a billion claimed sales. Not sure if you have noticed lately, but all year long, Jackson’s records have been certified and re-certified all over the world. Brazil needs a complete audit if you ask me, and I hope that this gets straitened out. Thanks for your time.TruthGuardians (talk) 01:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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Michael Jackson source

Have you ever come across a source stating that MJ has sold more than 400m records, but less than 750M?TruthGuardians (talk) 00:42, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

@TruthGuardians: Unfortunally not. :( --88marcus (talk) 01:51, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Tina Turner Private Dancer

I know this a little silly, but can we change private dancer's sales figure to 11 million. I feel like that would be more appropriate since the certifications add up to 8.4 million? Miaxh (talk) 15:44, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@Miaxh: sure! 11 is still accurate, as is 12kk.--Markus WikiEditor (talk) 17:58, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

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Mariah Carey vs. Garth Brooks

Hi, I noticed that you thanked me for my edit on the “List of bestselling albums by year in the United States” a while back. I’m currently in an edit war with someone who believes that Brooks had the bestselling album of 1991, despite Carey outselling him through pre-SoundScan sales. Nielsen SoundScan started tracking albums in late May 1991, which would disregard the first five months of album sales for that year. The page states that Nielsen should only be taken into account for the years 1992 and onwards; 1991 should adhere to the old rules. I’m having a hard time communicating with them as they believe MRC Data is the only factor in this situation. What should I do? Ironman1p (talk) 16:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Brazil; Norway

Hi Marcus. Do you happen to know if The Lion King (1994 soundtrack) actually sold 1.2 million in Brazil? I early included those figures in the List of best-selling albums in Brazil), but book hasn't a preview when trying to re-verify tbh. Also, do you think this source is ok to use? Information forwarded by Aftenposten but not sure at all about the domain. Cheers, --Apoxyomenus (talk) 01:46, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Apoxyomenus: Hi. I couldn't find nothing about the sales of TLK soundtrack, only about the VHS which sold over 900,000 here at the time. link The site you mentioned seems reliable to me.--Markus WikiEditor (talk) 18:02, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

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Oasis worldwide record sales have now reached 75 million

Hi how are you doing ?. Can you add Oasis to the 75 million mark on the biggest selling artists in music history please ?. I follow this quite closely and I believe they have crossed the threshold. Can you have a look at this and add them to the list please ?. Many Thanks 178.167.180.191 (talk) 20:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Markus can you help me out with this please ?. Thank you 31.200.159.213 (talk) 15:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)