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Opinion Requested

Hi, I'd like to hear you opinion on the following debate. (Merging Alternate Versions of Characters)

Species integration nominated for deletion

As someone who has commented on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Most ancient common ancestor, you are invited to comment on another article by the same author which I just nominated for deletion. The same author coined a new article Species integration which similar theme with two completely irrelevant references, after the 'most ancient common ancestor' article was deleted. I removed these two irrelevant references, and commented on these on the Talk:Species integration page.

The new nomination/discussion page is at: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Species integration.

Thanks. Fred Hsu 01:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Research Request

Your request has been received and I'm working on it. My university has recently changed the way my resources work, and so I'm having to refamiliarize myself with how it works. It may take me a bit to get some useful results, but they are forthcoming. Please find them here. /Blaxthos 13:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Chloe Sullivan

In what way is the veronica mars comment OR, and in what way is moviefreak.com not considered reliable? Please look at WP:OR and http://www.moviefreak.com/contact_a.htm. - Peregrine Fisher 02:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll answer the two of those separately:

1) The comment is intrinsically OR simply because "similar" is a relative term. Some people can find two things similar where others would not. It's creating a relationship where no objective relationship exists. If one could find an interview with actress Kristin Bell or show creator Rob Thomas saying "the character of Veronica Mars was based on Chloe Sullivan" then a relationship could be stated. The opinion of one reviewer in one place is not "truth", it's an opinion. Also it's quite a leap to go from the glib comment on moviefreak of "Speaking of Smallville, this show could be passed as a spin-off, since the characteristics of Veronica Mars are quite similar to Chloe Sullivan." to the hard-and-fast declaration that "Veronica Mars is similar to Chloe" as if it were fact.

2) Beyond that, the problem with moviefreak.com as a reliable source is that it's not a peer-reviewed source that I know of, nor is it a notable source. You may note that Moviefreak.com does not itself have a wikipedia article, although other review sites such as Metacritic do. There's an argument that a movie or TV review anywhere is a "source" but only in a matter regarding critical response, not as evidence regarding the nature of a show. Critics are responsive, not involved with the creative process. Therefore they cannot be used as evidence of what a show IS, only what they think of it.

Shorter form: One guy on a small website made a little joke because he found the two characters similar. That's not even close to being an argument for the encyclopedia entry on a subject to directly state that the two characters ARE similar, even if it were possible to define exactly what "similar" means.

original research is when wikipedia editors make comparisons, not outside sources. It's a rule about internal OR, not external OR. Moviefreak has editorial oversight (according to the link I provided), which means it's not a personal web site, and therefore meets reliable sources. - Peregrine Fisher 15:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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FYI, the grammar in the quotation is incorrect, but as you said, it is a quotation, so I approve of your reversions. "Laying" is transitive, and the sentence does not call for a transitive verb. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 15:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Ongoing RPG notability/AfD situation

Hi, Markeer. Was wondering if you wouldn't mind reading my take on this situation around here of late, with all the AfD stuff going on in the RPG sector. My user page article is here. Thanks in advance. Compsword01 (talk) 21:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for the positive support for the page George Karakunnel.Simon Cheakkanal (talk) 12:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Nice job

Hey man, I was going through some old pages of mine and ran across the Coalition for the Homeless article. Good job, especially with so few sources available.  :-) If I had the case names and years back when I had lexis-nexus access, I coulda gotten you a good bit more. At any rate, just wanted to tell you bravo. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

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Regarding the deletion you made on this article ("common mistakes" section) on the grounds that it was speculative, I have to disagree for the most part. 90% of the section you deleted has direct references to episodes in the show, so it is "cited" in a way. If you look at other sections ("Laws of leaping", "Sam's Memory", etc), the style and referencing is exactly the same. In my view, a full deletion is not warranted, perhaps a deletion only of the two or three sentences that point towards spectulation? Mrkeked (talk) 00:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

The entire section is original research because it takes event and fact and attempts to draw conclusions. Wikipedia does not draw conclusions, it does not speculate on possible meanings or justifications, it presents information without interest or judgement. A section like this can only be possible on wikipedia if a published reliable and verifiable secondary source could be found which discussed the topic at length, remembering that personal websites and blogs are not secondary sources. Even if one could find an actor, writer or director of the show that has discussed storyline errors, that would be a primary source, and may or may not be of interest in an encyclopedia article. The episodes themselves are not sources for speculation about what the episodes may or may not mean, they are only sources of base data (i.e. what happened to who at what time, not "why"). As for the other sections, the argument other stuff exists is irrelevant, except to point out that there may be problems in those sections as well. -Markeer 01:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Is it acceptable, then, to point out the inconsistencies present in the episodes without drawing any conclusions?(ie. "In "How The Tess Was Won," the host wears glasses, but Sam does not. In other episodes like "Blind Faith," Sam wears glasses.). Although I do understand the advantages of editorial review, should we delete (relevant) content in order to preserve encyclopedic style? Will a person interested in the subject be better informed with the article that better follows the guidelines or the one that is more complete? The entry in discussion is, of course, very trivial. I just ask these questions because I worry that articles in wikipedia suffer from overzealous "guideline" editing.Mrkeked (talk) 01:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

If mentioning those inconsistencies is important for a thorough overview of the subject, they can be mentioned, but drawing any conclusion from them is original research, almost by definition. In this case, I would probably question what value any section of "common mistakes" or plot inconsistances has to a brief encyclopedia article on the subject. Wikipedia doesn't attempt to be the ultimate source for information, it is a tertiary source, and attempts brevity when possible. No need for overzealous or underzealous editing, just a straightforward attempt to present a subject and follow wikipedia's guidelines.

A good example of a fairly tight article on a similar subject would be the current (as of March 3rd) version of Star Trek. An extremely vast subject, so it breaks it down to what's important: a one paragraph overview of each significant series, a chart to the movies, and then some discussion about cultural impact and fandom. There is indeed a section on continuity problems, and it's glaring in it's difference in tone from the rest of the article (hence currently having a clarificaion tag). A trivia based approach to that subject is obviously inappropriate, as would be a minutia-based plot breakdown or criticisms of individual stories. None of those things are required of a tertiary source, they can be addressed by authors, scholars and journalists who wish to publish critical analysis and/or "fun" aspects of a subject. -Markeer 04:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

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Hello, I noticed your comments at this page and I'm wondering if you can give the article another look-over since it has changed quite a bit since the time you weighed in on it. Thanks, ThemFromSpace 20:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Nice improvement to the article, was very glad to see it, and more than happy to weigh in on the improvements. Good job. -Markeer 23:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

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The notifications feature on Wikipedia notified me of your reference to me on the discussion for Project Pegasus' nomination for deletion. I am just letting you know that I have already started a section for it under List of government agencies in Marvel Comics if the decision is to merge like they did when they transferred Department H to that page. Rtkat3 (talk) 9:53, November 3 2013 (UTC)

I would just like to ask how your "Exterminate" post on my article "Dark Doctor" shows that it should be deleted. (Mcs2050wiki (talk) 13:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC))

Well, for the reasons I gave, albeit less facetiously. Wikipedia's guidelines require non-trivial coverage of the subject in multiple secondary sources. The cited articles do, indeed, show that an actor is playing a role, but of an uncertain nature and never called "Dark Doctor". A line on the article for Doctor Who and Doctor (Doctor Who) are enough to assert that John Hurt played The Doctor for one scene recently and is expected to again, so what is the reason for this additional article that had no additional information?

Actually, I suppose the title of the article is probably where my main issue is, and why I took the time to weigh in on the debate. There's no evidence that this term "Dark Doctor" is any official or even semi-official name for the character, so it immediately smacks of being a fan's enthusiasm rather than a verifiable and encyclopedic expression of a fact.

At any rate, my opinion wasn't meant personally and I hope you don't take it that way. I would imagine after the 50th Anniversary episode there will be some kind of article about the character created, and probably with links to a great many reviews in secondary sources.-Markeer 20:13, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

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