User talk:Lucia Black/Archive 6
MfD nomination of User:Lucia Black/Link Bank
editUser:Lucia Black/Link Bank, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Lucia Black/Link Bank and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Lucia Black/Link Bank during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Huon (talk) 15:41, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Interaction Ban
editConsensus has determined that an interaction ban is necessary between you and User:ChrisGualtieri. With the exception of dispute resolution and reverting obvious vandalism, you may not make any edits related to ChrisGualtieri, including reverting or undoing their edits, comment on them, reply to them, or otherwise address them in any way. This is an indefinite interaction ban. You also may be banned from any page in all namespaces if any individual administrator thinks that you are causing disruption. You are also banned from filing a report at any administrative noticeboard. If something needs to be reported, you can ask an individual administrator.--v/r - TP 18:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Per the above, I am formally notifying you that you are banned from Ghost in the Shell (manga) indefinitely. Nick (talk) 17:44, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- Please also be aware that this ban extends to requests for proxy editing. You must not ask any other editor to perform edits on your behalf to avoid the sanctions of the interaction ban or the prohibition on editing Ghost in the Shell (manga). Nick (talk) 18:05, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
January 2014
edit{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 18:46, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Lucia Black (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Considering the situation, it was clear the first talkpage was allowed, the second was clarification. And all has been resolved in the end because i spoke up in the first place. in which i indeed spoke with an admin about it. it won't happen again (mostly because at this point, it can't happen again. The issue was resolved, and the editor knows better). But even if i'm not unblocked. i'm still content with the situation because it was indeed "resolved".Lucia Black (talk) 18:52, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Decline reason:
{{subst:You happen to be under an IBAN. The wording of it, present on this very page, clearly states that you cannot comment on Chris' edits. The diff referenced by Salvidrim! makes it clear you have done so, not even two weeks after the IBAN was deemed necessary. You are not allowed to discuss Chris Gualtieri's edits, period. An interaction ban is a serious sanction and you need to respect it.}} Snowolf How can I help? 19:09, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- To clarify: you had been warned earlier today that you were practically in violation of the abovementione interaction ban and were evidently aware of the warning, and yet you proceeded to go to another editor to discuss ChrisGualteri's edits, in clear disregard of the sanctions imposed by the community to minimize disruption. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 18:54, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would say that this as partly my fault. I interpreted the conflict as starting with Lucia, so I reverted to what appeared to be status quo. But since it is now clear that Chris started the conflict, it was wrong of me to revert. I don't think Lucia was entirely in the wrong for pointing that out. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 18:56, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- To paraphrase our banning policy: "Banned means banned, good or bad". The point is not whether Lucia was right or wrong, but that she is banned from engaging in any discussion whatsoever of ChrisGualteri's edits. If she had disengaged entirely after being warned on SergeCross73's talk page she might have avoided the block but she didn't walk away, and it is not her first ban violation overall, hence the duration. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 19:01, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- You also directly engaged with ChrisGualteri with the edit summary "you're not allowed to undo my edits"; note that he also technically violated the interaction ban and you were thus both banned from editing Ghost in the Shell (manga) altogether by Nick, including requests for proxy editing. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 19:09, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I was just going to say, the block was warranted by the dif Salvidrim provided above, where she both reverted and addressed ChrisG in a single edit. Sergecross73 msg me 19:22, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- (sigh) - Lucia I have said it more than once and it will say it again, it astonishes me that you have not been indefinitely blocked due to your lack of clue and inability to follow a simple set of restrictions. I am aware that Chris did interact a little where he shouldn't have, so you both have banned from the article due to the both of you getting into a shoving match. I will also say that the next block will likely be indefinite. The whole point of creating the restrictions were so that an indefinite block could be avoided, but you are heading down a bad path and unless you turn it around, you will be met with an indefinite block. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 03:42, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- I also agree with most of Sportsguy17 and Salv's concerns. Lucia, I hope you sincerely view me as someone who has had reasonable discussions with you in the past, and I do. I understand you are passionate about some of the topics, but please focus on content. I also know that you have been warned numerous times about the issues with ChrisGualtieri (the interaction ban states that both you and ChrisGualtieri are not allowed to comment or discuss any of their edits at all), and I tried to give you some advice, since you and I are both experienced editors going back about 7 years or so. Let me be clear: I strongly advise that you should step away from the computer until you are able to edit in a calm, reasonable and less emotional manner when you return from your block, as well as trying to find articles that you enjoy working on (i.e. video games, anime). The whole point of this restriction is so that an indef block could be avoided. Unfortunately, your relationship with the community is at a downward spiral, and if you don't turn it around, you may end up being blocked again and I do not want to see it happen. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 12:14, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed. Lucia, you have previously demonstrated that you can edit constructively when you do so. Here is some advice: Don't worry about things that don't matter. Chris is not a priority to you, but content is. Heck, it makes me happy to know I have contributed to a GA/FA or indeed wrote it. There are plenty of video game, anime, and manga articles out there that are in desperate need of interested editors like you. Trust me, this is how you earn respect back from the community. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 01:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- Well said. In the immortal words of Sergecross73, "don't let bad apples ruin your fun". Given your past history as a long-time contributor, I'm sure you'll find something else to do. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- I also want to add that Chris can not comment on your edits either so you both have a fresh start on things. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:28, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Well said. In the immortal words of Sergecross73, "don't let bad apples ruin your fun". Given your past history as a long-time contributor, I'm sure you'll find something else to do. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed. Lucia, you have previously demonstrated that you can edit constructively when you do so. Here is some advice: Don't worry about things that don't matter. Chris is not a priority to you, but content is. Heck, it makes me happy to know I have contributed to a GA/FA or indeed wrote it. There are plenty of video game, anime, and manga articles out there that are in desperate need of interested editors like you. Trust me, this is how you earn respect back from the community. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 01:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- I also agree with most of Sportsguy17 and Salv's concerns. Lucia, I hope you sincerely view me as someone who has had reasonable discussions with you in the past, and I do. I understand you are passionate about some of the topics, but please focus on content. I also know that you have been warned numerous times about the issues with ChrisGualtieri (the interaction ban states that both you and ChrisGualtieri are not allowed to comment or discuss any of their edits at all), and I tried to give you some advice, since you and I are both experienced editors going back about 7 years or so. Let me be clear: I strongly advise that you should step away from the computer until you are able to edit in a calm, reasonable and less emotional manner when you return from your block, as well as trying to find articles that you enjoy working on (i.e. video games, anime). The whole point of this restriction is so that an indef block could be avoided. Unfortunately, your relationship with the community is at a downward spiral, and if you don't turn it around, you may end up being blocked again and I do not want to see it happen. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 12:14, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- (sigh) - Lucia I have said it more than once and it will say it again, it astonishes me that you have not been indefinitely blocked due to your lack of clue and inability to follow a simple set of restrictions. I am aware that Chris did interact a little where he shouldn't have, so you both have banned from the article due to the both of you getting into a shoving match. I will also say that the next block will likely be indefinite. The whole point of creating the restrictions were so that an indefinite block could be avoided, but you are heading down a bad path and unless you turn it around, you will be met with an indefinite block. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 03:42, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I was just going to say, the block was warranted by the dif Salvidrim provided above, where she both reverted and addressed ChrisG in a single edit. Sergecross73 msg me 19:22, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would say that this as partly my fault. I interpreted the conflict as starting with Lucia, so I reverted to what appeared to be status quo. But since it is now clear that Chris started the conflict, it was wrong of me to revert. I don't think Lucia was entirely in the wrong for pointing that out. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 18:56, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
@Sjones23: i view you as someone who always had a step back from it all. so if you concern yourself deeply, then you'll have to prove it. you only come around too little too late. So far, you've given the same advice. Trust me, i don't want the community's trust if it involves having to prove things with content contributions. it just proves the system can be bias for those who made bigger contributions. a newbie can be abandoned because an editor who treated the newbie badly simply had a lot of contributions in his/her belt. Keep in mind, i've been making fair amount of GAs quote recently, the community, simply doesn't care.
@Sportsguy17: my priority isn't another editor. there's a reason why i wasn't the only one who got banned from that article. and mine is simply i acted too quickly. Salvidrim can't ban me if i'm discussing the issue with another admin because that is whats permitted.
@Knowledgekid87: I suggest you discuss this with Thomas, because i really think you don't know what happened.Lucia Black (talk) 06:31, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Notice
editThere is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Lucia Black's editing restrictions. Thank you. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 18:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
An idea
editMay I suggest another wikibreak? You have been here a long time and a-lot of your edits have been great to anime/manga works and for a lot of other things. Right now the focus continues to remain on you though and you have been trying very hard to shake it off. What I would do is just take a break for a month either that or on your own work on the Sailor Moon articles. Chris right now is not touching Sailor Moon, seeing you like the series find and improve the sources on the character articles, show others that you can make good edits again. I think rather than digging up the past you should try to move forward. More ideas: Focus on areas in anime/manga that Chris is not working on and place a construction or in-use tag on them , if he comes to edit the pages you are working on then it can be seen as intrusive. I don't want you to get blocked again, you have been here too long and I just don't feel it is worth all of this over one editor. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Drakengard update
editI have been doing extensive work on Drakengard 2 and once the Peer Review is archived and done with, I'm going to nominate it as a GA. Any further suggestions upon how it could be improved or altered (mind you, I want to keep it relatively stable over the coming days)? --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
- @ProtoDrake: I don't see any glaring issues. I'm sure if you put it up on GA and some issues are found, they'll put it on-hold until its fixed. other than that it looks like a GA to me. Good Job.Lucia Black (talk) 17:45, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
- Drakengard and its sequel are now both GAs. Yay! --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:59, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- @ProtoDrake: great work. I know it wasn't easy. I'm glad those artticles are GA quality. Lucia Black (talk) 09:48, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- Just so you know, my next goals: Characters article for the series to Featured List, and (hopefully) Drakengard 3 to GA and possibly beyond. Series article as a GA. Then get the series as a whole nominated as a Good Topic. How does that sound as a long-term project? --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:47, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- @ProtoDrake: I can see that the goal is to get it to be GA topic, that was also one of my goals aswell, i have only played the first Drakengard completely and Nier. So i could add references for that in the character list if its in-universe info. Lucia Black (talk) 02:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
- That would be immensely helpful. Believe me, referencing the plot section for Drakengard was a certifiable nightmare: honestly, I could hardly believe that you must go through one chapter three or four times depending on which ending you're trying to get. I also find Nier a little difficult to handle, since I'm liable to get chronically depressed by its gloom-and-doom atmosphere (although it's one of the game's major strengths). If it's alright, you can help with those two and I can handle Drakengard 2 and 3. :) By the way, any other video game articles you've got an eye on I might be able to help with? --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:05, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
- @ProtoDrake: I can see that the goal is to get it to be GA topic, that was also one of my goals aswell, i have only played the first Drakengard completely and Nier. So i could add references for that in the character list if its in-universe info. Lucia Black (talk) 02:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
- Just so you know, my next goals: Characters article for the series to Featured List, and (hopefully) Drakengard 3 to GA and possibly beyond. Series article as a GA. Then get the series as a whole nominated as a Good Topic. How does that sound as a long-term project? --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:47, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- @ProtoDrake: great work. I know it wasn't easy. I'm glad those artticles are GA quality. Lucia Black (talk) 09:48, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- Drakengard and its sequel are now both GAs. Yay! --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:59, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- @ProtoDrake: I don't see any glaring issues. I'm sure if you put it up on GA and some issues are found, they'll put it on-hold until its fixed. other than that it looks like a GA to me. Good Job.Lucia Black (talk) 17:45, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Ghost in the Shell (video game)
editHi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Ghost in the Shell (video game) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ProtoDrake -- ProtoDrake (talk) 23:40, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Ghost in the Shell (video game)
editThe article Ghost in the Shell (video game) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Ghost in the Shell (video game) for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ProtoDrake -- ProtoDrake (talk) 08:30, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Spacing
editHi. Terribly unimportant, but may I suggest you insert a space at the beginning of your sig (on your Special:Preferences page), or in front of the ~~~~ when you sign a post? Having the sig right up against the end of your comment can be distracting. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:18, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
@AlanM1: i've never modified my signature and don't know how exactly.--Lucia Black (talk) 12:39, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Lucia Black:: Just click on the Preferences link along the top of the screen (or this one: Special:Preferences). Look down the page to the Signature group. Put this in the (currently empty) textbox:
" [[User:Lucia Black|Lucia Black]] ([[User talk:Lucia Black|talk]])"
without the quotes. Note there is a space at the beginning. Click the checkbox in front of "Treat the above as wiki markup..." (so it is checked). Then click the Save button at the bottom. - Note you can use most forms of wiki markup in your sig, which is how people create colors, etc. For example, I use:
"<font color="red">—[</font>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><font color="green">Alan</font><font color="blue">M</font><font color="purple">1</font></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<font color="red">]—</font>"
to produce my sig: - —[AlanM1(talk)]— 13:15, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- @AlanM1:Ok i just decided to add a space, in the future i might make my signature more distinct. thank you. Lucia Black (talk) 13:54, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Ghost in the Shell (video game)
editThe article Ghost in the Shell (video game) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Ghost in the Shell (video game) for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ProtoDrake -- ProtoDrake (talk) 20:31, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Otaku USA
editHi Lucia, You mentioned that you had lost a copy of Otaku USA a while back at the Anime project talkpage. Have you tried checking at your local library if they carry the periodical? Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 18:33, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Rapunzel-bellflower: I could check but its a very old issue. I'm not sure if they carry it. Lucia Black (talk) 00:04, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
- What year is it from? If you don't mind me asking. Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 17:58, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Rapunzel-bellflower: I don't even remember but it was around 2010 i believe. Lucia Black (talk) 19:59, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
editHello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Lucia_Black reported by User:DragonZero (Result: ). Thank you. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 07:06, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Minor edit and misleading edit summary
editThe text replacing Javascript automatically marks edits as minor. I don't know why. And my edit summaries are not misleading. You can clearly see what has happened. And a template that is so highly unused does not require me to contact anyone regarding it other than the creator.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:23, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Re: popular pages
editTo get a monthly automatic summary like Wikipedia:WikiProject Square Enix/Popular pages, you make a request for a wikiproject here. For manual checks of individual pages, you can go here, though that's going to get time-consuming if you have a lot of articles. --PresN 16:07, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
A brave kitten for you!
editThanks for you work in anime & manga articles!
March 2014
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Re: Digimon
editI prefer not to incubate entire pages, as it nullifies any work that others do in the meantime. Working on individual sections, though, I'd be fine with. Tezero (talk) 13:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Uzumaki
editUnfortunately I don't own any copy of the manga. I have just a casual interest for some manga, and I like to help with sources when someone is working. I prefer to let you take a look as you know better the series (and I'm a bit busy.. and lazy too). So I'll transclude here (I don't know if it's the best place).
- Manga Life; all reviews by Michael Aronson
"There is nothing as creepy as Uzumaki on the stands today. Nothing. It’s not the outright scary blood ‘n guts kind of horror, but a near perfect mixture of psychology trauma and extremely detailed distorted imagery. A single read-through can easily demolish a reader’s appetite, and this isn’t even the most twisted volume of the three books.
Ito knows that real horror isn’t necessarily about what’s on the page, but what’s in the characters’ and readers’ minds. Fear and madness are the means by which the characters are haunted, chased, abused and slowly whittled away by forces beyond their reckoning, that is, the spiral. The spiral isn’t a person or a living being, but it’s a recurring image that brings madness and obsession wherever it appears. It doesn’t possess others, but they nevertheless become infatuated with it, such as Shuichi’s dad who stirs spirals into his soup, Kirie’s friend Azami who uses the spiral scar on her forehead to attract boys, and the residents of the town who are unable to look away each time it presents itself. There are a couple stories that are less horrifying and slightly silly, which robs the overall story of some of its suspense, but on the whole it’s incredibly strong.
If the story had not been as effective as it is, the art could have easily carried it along. Ito lives up to the theme of obsession on his own by scrawling excessive spiral imagery whenever the opportunity present itself, and makes each transformation and warped disfiguration in the characters and their world that much more gruesome.
Uzumaki is the measure by which all horror stories should and will be judged. The meticulous detail only makes the terrifying world of the spiral that much more believable. The stories will stick with you far longer than you will want them to."
"Hold onto your lunch, because this volume accomplishes exactly what the series set out to do: scare the crap out of readers. It gets more graphic than the first volume, more extreme in the measures characters take to ensure their survival, and freakier than the western horror comics of the ‘50s had ever dreamed of becoming.
The spiral continues to twist, pervert and warp every aspect of Kirie’s town bit by bit. This time, the dead aren’t safe, animals aren’t safe, edifices aren’t safe and not even babies are safe. Oh yeah, there’s one particular chapter involving babies that’s perhaps some of the sickest material ever plotted in a graphic novel (one that wasn’t aim at fetishists, anyway), and I mean “sickest” as high praise, because it takes immense cajones to put this into a story and then to pull it off in a way that fits the tone without going overboard on bad taste. Nothing is sacred and no one is safe from the spiral’s demented curse.
Junji Ito: Master of Horror. His pencil is a frighteningly vivid gateway to his imagination, and his imagination is a place I’m thankful only exists on paper (well, they have tried adapting his stories to film somewhat unsuccessfully). This is a supreme storyteller at the height of his career. Uzumaki is not to be missed under any circumstances – except maybe extreme squeamishness."
"In further defining itself as the ultimate horror title in graphic literature, Uzumaki sidesteps its horror roots in favor of more fantasy elements in its final volume, and yet somehow this change of flavor makes it even more haunting than ever before. In addition, instead of standalone chapters of various horrific elements, every aspect in the first two volumes comes together in a connected narrative that brings the entire saga and mystery of the spiral to a close.
But how do you end a horror story that lacks a physical antagonist? Do the characters have to sink to the tactics of the threat to beat it at its own game or find an alternative to victory ľ or is victory and survival even possible? The ending Ito chooses makes perfect sense in the context of the story, and itĺs everything the readers both hope for and fear will come to pass.
As if the art wasnĺt stunning enough, because of how the nature of the spiral and the town itself takes on new properties and evolutions, the art goes the extra mile to reflect all the new developments. Each new revelation is strikingly creepy and still awe-inspiring in all its distorted glory. Where in the first two volumes the transformations were singular among characters or objects, they become much more complex this time around, and the visuals bring out every necessary detail.
Uzumaki may be one of the most perfect horror stories about decent into madness and corruption, and equally says much about the nature of humanity and its sins. Itĺs also one of the most unique stories ever told in its genre and praise for its accomplishments, like the spiral image itself, will likely never reach an end."
- ComicsVillage; all reviews by Charles Tan
"What's impressive with Uzumaki isn't simply that Ito tells us a horrifying tale or depicts terrifying art but he manages to do both by combining both elements--the perfect synthesis of sequential art and text. Without one element, the other simply won't work. In this manga, Ito starts with a simple shape, a spiral, and transforms it into something gruesome and scary. However, we also have a long story that grounds us in an interconnected narrative although that isn't apparent yet in this particular volume. There are six chapters in this manga, each one a short story on its own, yet the first chapter begins the conspiracy of Uzumaki.
While Uzumaki isn't a new release per se, Viz re-released it a few months ago and re-packaged it in a smaller but cheaper format, as well as keeping the right-to-left reading format. Moreover, it now comes with a sleek black cover with the illustration of the female character embossed on it--an improvement in my opinion over the old cover art (which was too colorful). The sound effects in this manga has been translated into English and probably makes a lot more sense to non-Japanese readers. As for the art, Ito is quite detailed and this is easily his best work as he emphasizes the spirals that is the source of the horror in this particular title. The story is gripping and ensnares you into its ludicrousness, which I think wouldn't have been possible without the illustrations to back it up.
The first volume ends on a good note, giving one enough closure but at the same time leaves room for expansion. I already owned the previous version of Uzumaki yet I bought this copy anyway and I feel it was worth it. Astute readers will be rewarded for it is here that the seeds of the epic finale is planted. Nonetheless, you don't need to read its sequels to enjoy this particular volume. Highly recommended unless you're prone to fits of terror and vertigo."
"What's great about the second volume of Uzumaki is that while the events that take place are connected to the previous volume, one doesn't need to have read it to appreciate this manga. Much like Uzumaki Vol. 1, this title is comprised of several stand-alone stories that involve horrifying stories that deal with spirals. Personally, I found this to be more disgusting and gross, although there is definitely something terrifying in the fourth chapter entitled "Mosquitoes". The secret to several mysterious hospital murders is one reason why Ito is one of the premiere horror manga creators. The art, as can be expected from Ito, is quite detailed and I think it is his attention to detail that makes the images come to life and gives it a sense of foreboding. Also, there are several events in this book that sets the seeds for the third volume yet they're not apparent at this point and all the events that have been happening in the town seem random so far. The black embossed cover is sleek and stylistic while the $9.99 makes this an affordable comic for any horror aficionado. If you haven't read Uzumaki yet, irregardless of whether you've read the first volume or not, give this manga a try and you won't be disappointed."
"The conclusion to the horror manga trilogy, this third volume has a stricter tone than the previous volumes. If you haven't read Uzumaki yet, this isn't the best place to start as it immediately begins knee-deep into the story and our protagonists are suddenly thrust into peril. In the very first chapter of the book, we also visit an old location that was featured in the previous manga and is now home to a new kind of horror.
There are several drastic changes here I think. One is that the atmosphere is more darker and apocalyptic. Whereas the danger in previous volumes was limited to a few individuals, in the third volume the threat has now consumed the entire town. Second is that it's now all coming together and while it still retains that episodic format per chapter, their connection is readily more apparent. Despite all that, what made Uzumaki work before is still present here and Ito still manages to throw in punk sci-fi concepts such as humans "riding" tornadoes.
As usual, the art is ever integral to the horror, especially in the latter chapters where everything concludes. Ito manages to weave everything he's shown us so far into a connected narrative that I think gives a fitting ending that's not as ambiguous as some J-horror films. There's also a bonus chapter at the end which is a side story featuring the same characters in the trilogy, presumably a story that can be inserted somewhere in the first volume of the series.
Overall the third volume gives the series a much-needed closure and while I do feel there's a sudden shift in tone in this particular volume, it's probably for the best. If you want an epic horror comic that showcases the best in the medium, Uzumaki is your best bet without the long-term investment of many manga series's out there."
- PopCultureShock; all reviews by Ken Haley
Manga Recon Spooktacular: Uzumaki and Gyo; October 10, 2007:
"In this, the first of a three volume series, we’re introduced to a small town with a big problem: Kurozu-cho is haunted, not by a ghost but by a shape. The shape of the spiral. While that may not sound terribly threatening, Junji Ito shows just how bizarre and unnerving the spiral can be as it weaves its way into the lives of the townspeople with horrifying results.
The volume opens with a two-parter introducing the spiral menace and the two main characters, a school girl named Kirie Goshima and her boyfriend Shuichi Sato. What starts out as merely an odd obsession of Shuichi’s father slowly begins to spread, infecting the town in more and more obvious and outlandish ways. As the story unfolds, Shuichi and Kirie are sometimes pushed the side, watching and relating the tales of others whose lives are affected by the spiral madness. Bizarre, spiral-phobic self-mutilation, possessed pottery, and demonic hair cause just a few of the things we see in the first volume. Some of these tales–the initial madness of Shuichi’s father and mother for example, or the bodily deformation caused by the slow growth of a scar–are disturbing; others don’t quite hit the creepy and freakish mark, but are no less interesting. The possessed hair story that features a hair fight between Kirie and another girl at school misses the horror mark by a fairly wide margin. Scary? No. Cool? Definitely!
Junji Ito’s artwork throughout is magnificent. He incorporates the spiral pattern into the backgrounds of the book from the very beginning, creating the sense that there’s something not quite right with the town. Twisted blades of grass, strange cloud formations, patterns on the walls–all suggest this shape is somehow permeating the town in an unnatural fashion, and lends credibility to Shuichi’s desire to escape Kurozu-cho (not to mention his mother’s fear of spirals). The level of detail in the artwork adds further weight to the body-deforming acts that occur as the story progresses. From the sickening sight of an over-extended tongue, to the writhing, twisting mass of a human body, Ito’s artwork ensures that each is depicted in appropriately creepy and unnerving matter. With two more volumes on the way, this series is far from over, and I can’t wait to see what kind of horrors await the townspeople of Kurozu-cho as the story progresses. Uzumaki is a must-have for fans of Japanese horror."
Manga Minis, January 2008; January 31, 2008:
"The climax to Junji Ito’s horror masterpiece is at hand! Kurozu-Cho is literally being swallowed up by the curse of the Spiral, as constant battering by huge hurricanes devastates the small village. The outside world remains cut off by bizarre whirlpools, tornados, and other odd phenomena. The beleaguered citizens struggle to survive as the situations spirals (pun intended) out of control. Ito’s art remains strong and detailed, giving an immensely creepy look to things such as giant snails and twisting mounds of human bodies. Ito never quite reaches the squick-inducing moments of the second volume; instead, he heavily focuses on developing our sense of dread. He still occasionally makes use of an idea that leans more towards goofy than frightening. Still, despite his strange decision to include gangs of tornado riders, the final volume still manages to be a wonderfully creepy, edge-of-your-seat read. Many of the questions that readers have will be answered with the fantastic conclusion, but Ito doesn’t over-explain anything here. He gives you just enough to leave you satisfied, but not so much that it becomes boring and mundane. It’s a tactic that one of his favorite authors, H.P. Lovecraft, had down pat and this volume of Uzumaki certainly has some very Lovecraftian moments to it. This entire series has been fantastic and I highly recommended to any and all horror fans. Top notch work!"
Cheers, --Gabriel Yuji (talk) 19:11, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Tomie
editHi, Lucia. While I myself don't have too much interest on it, I like to help others when I see people working hard to improve articles (specially A&M). I've searched in BookOffOnline.co.jp (it's a library indicated when someone search for a isbn in the Japanese Wikipedia: [1], so I think it's a RS) and found 富江 and 富江part2. I could find 富江again both in Amazon and BookOffOnline. My first idea was to take a look at Asahi Sonorama official site, but I found only the re-published versions: part1, part2, and again. The "伊藤潤二恐怖マンガCollection" itself I only found in Amazon: [2], [3], but all "伊藤潤二恐怖博物館" are in the Asahi site: [4]. Cheers, P.S: I'm eagerly awaiting to see these articles into GA! (and I'll demand you hahaha) Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:13, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
@Gabriel Yuji: Agreed. If nothing more, i guess the most i can get these articles at are B-class. But i'm still trying. I know at least that Uzumaki is GA worthy for-sure. Lucia Black (talk) 23:12, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I hope you can reach GA, but if you can't B is a good aim. Anyway, you can call me when you need help as apparently I am helping. Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:30, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. And yes, you have been a great help, i appreciate it very much. Lucia Black (talk)
- To be ambitious is "cool", so don't give up (motivational speaking mode on haha). I've never met somone interested in GeGeGe no Kitarō both in "real life" or here in Wikipedia and it's difficult to find sources for it (and in fact I didn't started to work on it), but I like it and I'm still dreaming that one day it'll become a GA as. Black Jack (manga) and Devilman are other of my favorites anime/manga too, and they are very overlooked here, but, well, who knows... one day, maybe all we can get our favorites anime/manga into GA. Regards, and sorry for the off-topic conversation... Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:55, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- Ah, back on the topic you should talk with Rapunzel-bellflower. She edited on Uzumaki which it may indicate that she is interested on it. She have already done excellent articles in Wikipedia and she helped me with "Development" of Cobra. She can be a great help/partner of work for you. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:59, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, i'll definitely do that when i get the chance. Lucia Black (talk) 01:01, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for the kind words, Gabriel Yuji. You shouldn't overlook your own researching skills too, you know. :) I'd love to have the chance to work with you, Lucia. If there's something I can do, let me know! :) Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 01:10, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, i'll definitely do that when i get the chance. Lucia Black (talk) 01:01, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Ah, back on the topic you should talk with Rapunzel-bellflower. She edited on Uzumaki which it may indicate that she is interested on it. She have already done excellent articles in Wikipedia and she helped me with "Development" of Cobra. She can be a great help/partner of work for you. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:59, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- To be ambitious is "cool", so don't give up (motivational speaking mode on haha). I've never met somone interested in GeGeGe no Kitarō both in "real life" or here in Wikipedia and it's difficult to find sources for it (and in fact I didn't started to work on it), but I like it and I'm still dreaming that one day it'll become a GA as. Black Jack (manga) and Devilman are other of my favorites anime/manga too, and they are very overlooked here, but, well, who knows... one day, maybe all we can get our favorites anime/manga into GA. Regards, and sorry for the off-topic conversation... Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:55, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. And yes, you have been a great help, i appreciate it very much. Lucia Black (talk)
@Rapunzel-bellflower: Yes, thanks for everything. I did wanted to ask if you knew any information about the live-action film. I'm particularly trying to cover the premiere of the film, and who distributed the film. And if you know any reliable sources that could verify the release dates of the Vis media 1st edition releases. Lucia Black (talk) 01:14, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Off the top of my head, I don't know, but I'll do some research and see what I find. :) Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 01:16, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- That would be great, thank you. Lucia Black (talk) 01:23, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Scans
editWonderswan (finally) and Uzumaki review [5].Dandy Sephy (talk) 19:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
@Dandy Sephy: Oh thanks. appreciate this very much. Lucia Black (talk) 20:13, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Ghost in the Shell topic ban
editThe existing topic ban has been lifted at the request of Chris. You remain under the community imposed general interaction ban between you and Chris, additionally you can individually be banned from specific pages under the terms of the community sanctions [6], although I hope that continues to be unnecessary. Nick (talk) 16:06, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- Oh ok, thanks. Lucia Black (talk) 16:22, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Digital versions of Bleach
editHi!:D I asked for peer review and editor told me to add digital versions as well.Wikipedia:Peer_review/List_of_Bleach_chapters_(1–187)/archive1But at the end, when you look the article, digital versions are really unnecessary. Thanks for removing! Cheers! (Nightwolf87 (talk) 13:14, 9 May 2014 (UTC))
Discussion at Talk:Sailor Moon#GA?
editYou are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Sailor Moon#GA?. Thanks. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Re: Hey, it's really...
editIt's tough not to take it personally when so many non-Sonic game character articles that seem to demonstrate less notability aren't getting a drop of attention for it. (While czar's the one who took all of these out behind the shed, I do respect him trying to apply his stance elsewhere recently, such as to Tales and Pokémon characters.) I am getting happier, in that I'm becoming more nihilistic since these discussions' results are based more on vote tallies than on arguments anyway. And for what it's worth, I appreciate you dropping by my talk page to offer support (no pun intended), though I believe as strongly as anyone that Wikipedia policy does not afford my emotional investment in these pages a single square inch of real estate—in other words, me making the articles is pretty much irrelevant. Tezero (talk) 21:32, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
WonderSwan
editHey, Lucia. WonderSwan could use a bit more touchup, but I think it's done and in much better shape. What would you say to a co-GA nomination? Red Phoenix let's talk... 17:04, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- @Red Phoenix: whatever you feel best. I will look into it more, see what i can find. But it definitely looks better. thank you for your hard work. Lucia Black (talk) 17:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hey Lucia, did not realize this was a co-nomination so I had not gotten in touch with you before now. I am conducting the GA review of this article as I have for a couple of Sega hardware articles Red Phoenix has nominated in the past. It looks like his is the only page getting the automatic GA notifications, so I wanted to let you know that I have completed my review and placed the article on hold pending improvement. I like to conduct a GA review by pointing out areas I see as issues, but giving the nominator broad leeway on how to respond to my concerns, so I hope we can have a good dialogue on how to improve the article. I look forward to working with both you and Red. Indrian (talk) 00:15, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Since you do not get the bot messages, I just wanted to let you know that I promoted WonderSwan to GA today. Thank you for all your work on the article. Indrian (talk) 15:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. I appreciate it greatly. Lucia Black (talk) 16:55, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Re:Wikilove
editHi, Lucia. Thanks for your consideration. And, really for your consideration because I did almost no work on it. You and Rapunzel make a great pair. Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 19:24, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
1001 Comics & Gyo
editYeah, of course. I'll add something within a week, hopefully. Off the top of my head, there was something about it being Lovecraft-like. About Gyo, did you want me to copyedit the character section as well? Much of the story is repeated in the character section, except for the OVA parts, which you may want to put into the OVA subsection, with something like: "In the OVA adaptation, Kaori is the protagonist, ..." You may want to use this ANN article for Kaori as protagonist and the premise of the OVA. Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 18:34, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
@Rapunzel-bellflower: so sorry for getting to you late. copyediting the character is fine and putting the info in the OVA section is fine. thank you. Lucia Black (talk) 03:37, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Agito chapter titles
editI've chosen to add to this section. I'll keep adding as chapters are released. The new chapter is called Chapter 1: Battlefield of the Chosen (第一章 撰ばれし子らの戦場, Dai Isshō Erabareshikora no Senjō). --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:37, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
@ProtoDrake:Do you know the release date? Lucia Black (talk) 00:00, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- June 3 this year. --ProtoDrake (talk) 07:21, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Update: Chapter 2: Vermiel Wings of Hope (第二章 救国の朱き翼, Dai Nishō Kyūkoku no Akaki Tsubasa). Japanese release date here. --ProtoDrake (talk) 14:30, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Ultimatum?
editMaybe that word is not appropriate for a discussion header. I would suggest removing it.--Mark Miller (talk) 02:38, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Sailor Moon Crystal
editHi. I'm currently working on a Sailor Moon Crystal episode list in my sandbox. I know it's close to the release date and I've already asked WT:ANIME about this, but do you mind if we should join forces? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:02, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds like a plan, i will look into it. thank you. Lucia Black (talk) 04:56, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've also contacted Goodraise (talk · contribs) about this matter. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:12, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- Very well. Let me know if anything changes. Lucia Black (talk) 05:13, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
More Scans
editI just obtained a stack of MyM and while I didn't find much for my own articles, I did come across a couple of things you might be interested in for Uzumaki and Sailor Moon. It's a 24mb download as I didn't resize the scans, but if it's a problem I can resize them. Specific info is in the zip. [7]. SephyTheThird (talk) 17:39, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks for your help. i'll take a look at them. Lucia Black (talk) 20:11, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Re:List of anime series by episode count
editYour expertise and comment would be appreciated in this talk page discussion. Thanks. Hei Liebrecht 23:39, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
editThe Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
For your tireless contributions on animanga-related articles! Especially Uzumaki, Gyo, Ergo Proxy, and 3×3 Eyes for what I can see! Keep up the good work. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 06:51, 4 August 2014 (UTC) |
- @Gabriel Yuji: Thank you, this really means a lot to me. I'll keep working on more articles. Lucia Black (talk) 07:48, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Haha, I know... but people in Wikipedia are sometimes just too rough/tough. Trying to do my part congratulating deserved effort. ;) Gabriel Yuji (talk) 07:52, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Pagebans notification
editPer the terms of your community-mandated probation, you are now indefinitely banned from the following pages: Ghost in the Shell (and its talkpage), Ghost in the Shell (manga) (and its talkpage) and Ghost in the Shell (video game) (and its talkpage). ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 16:36, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
These pagebans are in relation to a discussion which may concern (or interest) you, currently at WP:ANI. Please see this link. Nick (talk) 16:50, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- the discussion that is directed toward Ryulong and whether he gets sanctions. which unfortunately, has nothing to do with me, nor is it trying to make me into a subject. So i rather have a new section to discuss my edits, unless no one is willing to even listen to my side on the situation. Lucia Black (talk) 00:13, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- You are correct that the AN/I discussion is not about you, but it is customary to notify, as a courtesy, any editor whose name gets mentioned. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 00:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Salvidrim! and Nick: this is highly irregular. For one, no ANI has been brought up about me, nor have my edits have been questioned. Nor have i been making any controversial edits recently up until now. So not only did you return the topic-ban (without even bringing it up like in previous discussions), but you expanded it even "further" to articles that don't apply to the current situation: Ghost in the Shell (video game). And how convenient it is, that it expands to an article, not only Ryulong holds any interest, but has been pretty stable and it is also convenient how this happens not long before i brouht up a peer review to bring it up to FAC.
- Despite having almost the exact same history with these articles (and possibly even worst), Ryulong should be subject to this same immediate bans, if i have to be (no question asked) and of course so that this be nuetral. Keep in mind, my topic bans earlier were all related closer to another editor more than the topic, not with the issue of the topic itself. Unfortunately, it was originally a 3-way tie. (Where i would alternate between the two in consensus). Lucia Black (talk) 00:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- I would like to challenge this. If i may in a new discussion, where it discusses both me and Ryulong in ANI. Lucia Black (talk) 00:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- The very fact that you refer to this as a "3-way tie" proves that you do not understand how consensus is supposed to be built. You seem to see "editing disputes" as a combat to be won. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 13:21, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- I understand consensus completely, however i also understand Ryulong too. So as said, my point still stands, and you're not giving me much of an answer or much of a statement. Lucia Black (talk) 04:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- The very fact that you refer to this as a "3-way tie" proves that you do not understand how consensus is supposed to be built. You seem to see "editing disputes" as a combat to be won. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 13:21, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- I would like to challenge this. If i may in a new discussion, where it discusses both me and Ryulong in ANI. Lucia Black (talk) 00:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for messing with your page "Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria"...
editApology | |
Dear Lucia Black,
I'm terribly sorry for suddenly going in and altering your page, "Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria", without permission. I was simply searching for information on "Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria" and was unsatisfied with the level of detail of the "official" wiki as well as your Wikipedia page, so I assumed it was just a normal Wikipedia page and thought I would start editing it. After following the electronic trail back, however, I noticed that this is your personal pet project and that you are a frequent and experienced editor. The only edits I made were to "Plot Summary" and the entry 'O' under "Minor Characters". I've restored your original text under plot summary but left my version of the text for 'O', since I wanted to leave my work for you to see but didn't want to create a duplicate entry. I'm fairly sure the text for 'O' is duplicated from the "official" wiki anyway, so it's reproducible should you decide to change it back. Since I spent the past hour or so making the edits in question, I didn't want my work to go to waste, so I've left it for you to read. If you don't like it, feel free to remove it. I hope, however, that you will find it satisfactory and that I could maybe consult on the authorship of the page in question, since I've read all of the volumes and have a lot to offer in terms of effort and interest. Out of respect, though, I'll refrain from touching anything else until I hear from you. Sorry again, and thanks for your time! LiteraryDragon222 (talk) 05:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC) |
There is no need to apologize, i have not said a word about it. The problem with that article is that theres nothing to prove its notability at the moment (3rd party reliable sources such as "Reception" and primary information such as "Development"). Most of the reviews are by blogs, and its hard to tell which ones are reliable since i dont know Japanese. So an official page for the subject can't exist until those are found. Lucia Black (talk) 18:44, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
The article Uzumaki you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Uzumaki for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Erachima -- Erachima (talk) 02:40, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Ghost in the Shell
editI am working to have the ban on your editing to the talk pages to Ghost in the Shell removed, I feel that a proper discussion should be had for your ideas. I can not speak for your conduct however but will WP:AGF here and go with that it might be a result for you feeling cheated and not as someone who just went out of their way to argue with others over nothing. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- yes, that is exactly how i feel about the situation. i haven't been able to look into the ANI because quite frankly i'm concerned with a recent GAN and so far it seems that there is a real consensus over no site ban. I'll look into the discussion soon. Lucia Black (talk) 02:11, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Topic ban
editLucia, I closed the AN discussion with a finding that there was consensus to enact a topic ban that prevents you from editing any page related to Japanese entertainment, broadly construed. You may read the full finding in the previously linked closure, or on the editing restrictions page. I encourage you to find another area of the encyclopedia in which you are interested, and seek to contribute constructively there, and to appeal the topic ban at an appropriate juncture. Thank you very much, and God bless. Go Phightins! 23:40, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Lucia, you have my sympathies. You do good work here. However, on a side note you have been reported an awful lot of times for practically the same reason; disruptive editing and edit warring. Not all of it was your fault or intentions and you were quite unlucky (as I have been sometimes) on some of the cases, but without a doubt you were partially to blame and, as an experienced editor, should have been more accountable for your actions. At any rate, you should consider editing constructively in another topic area of Wikipedia that you are interested in. Of course, if you decide to appeal your topic ban at a later time, you can do so at an appropriate venue. Wishing you all the best in your future endeavors, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:13, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Sjones23: salt in my wounds at the moment Sjones. Lucia Black (talk) 01:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- I know and I did not mean to be offensive, but despite your good intentions, you had caused some issues that could have been easily fixed. I was only trying to help you, but it didn't work out. But if you decide to come back to Wikipedia, I would welcome you back wholeheartedly but if not, I don't blame you. Cheers, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- When do you talk to me Sjones? When do you help me? Is it before any issues arise, or is it when something already happened? Theres a bigger picture, and i know you see it. But are you willing to speak about it?
- I know and I did not mean to be offensive, but despite your good intentions, you had caused some issues that could have been easily fixed. I was only trying to help you, but it didn't work out. But if you decide to come back to Wikipedia, I would welcome you back wholeheartedly but if not, I don't blame you. Cheers, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- If i knew about these injustices that happened to you...i would've voiced out. And i wouldn't do it to just you. i would do it for everyone who has met these issues. I can't really say anymore Lucia Black (talk) 01:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Lucia Black: I agree with Sjones23 better retire with honor than quit in disgrace. I also see this as a witch hunt as way too much focus was placed on you. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Well the only other thing I can think of is a future appeal. I do not see the topic ban against all Japanese media justified. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:05, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Knowledgekid87: This witch hunt is why i'm quitting with disgrace, because there never will be "retire with honor" for me. and ironically i am Wiccan.
- I have nothing to offer at this point. Any edits outside of WP:ANIME, or Japanese related games have all been "minor" edits. I am not familiar with other topics to keep me here, i'm not familiar with the sourcing. Even if hypothetically it gets appealed, i have already been "disgraced". If this is truly a witch hunt, then i can't do anything about it. Lucia Black (talk) 02:36, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Lucia Black: Seeing all of the good things you have done I do not see a disgrace here, you can not control the actions of others and not everyone is agreeing with what happened as a result. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:50, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Knowledgekid87: I'm sorry but unless this "witch hunt" is made clear, i cannot stay here. Making it clear this is a witch hunt will prove two things. there's a bigger issue to solve and that many actions against me have been heavily construed. There is no point in staying even if hypothetically it does get appealed, there will always be those group of editors waiting. And i might as well quit.
- I'm going to be checking in on my projects. see if anyone picked them up. Lucia Black (talk) 00:33, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Tying up loose ends
editI was dismayed to see the result of the Administrator's noticeboard discussion pertaining to you, so I'm here to ask you something. Obviously it'd be against the rules for you to marionette other users around while you're indefinitely incapacitated, but if there are GANs or (within reason) other projects you were in the middle of, I'd be open to finishing them up, and my guess is that other WP:ANIME users would as well. Or if you'd rather start anew right away on a different subject as suggested above and leave these things alone, that's fine, too.
I have made statements that would seem to be advocating sockpuppetry (I'd like to help, but there's nothing I can do), but now I think I want to caution you that that's very difficult to reconcile with editing whatever you want and the consequences would be severe. Regardless of that, I'd like to know your plans for the future. Tezero (talk) 01:06, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- I think it is a good idea to provide to Tezero a list of ongoing projects you will no longer be able to participate in, but keep in mind doing so on-wiki could be seen as a violation of your topic ban; I encourage you to send Tezero an e-mail, and he can then let WT:A&M know so the WikiProject can keep working smoothly. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 01:09, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but i might as well quit Wikipedia. There is absolutely nowhere i can work where its not japan-related that i have any familiarity. Sergecross and Hasteur got what they wanted in the end. Because even though i'm not site banned, i'm banned from the articles i have been familiar with the majority of my time here. My projects are all listed in my personal page...i don't need to send out emails.
- But i have nothing to do here....this large ban might aswell be a site ban. Lucia Black (talk) 01:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- If you have any desire to return and wish to follow Wikipedia's rules in doing so, your best bet is to get active on a different topic (Manhwa? American comics? American/European video games [not sure if that's covered]? Music? Something totally unrelated?), amassing a few GAs or so and, more importantly, demonstrating civil behavior (especially on content organization discussions) that you can link to later, and then apply for a ban removal. Tezero (talk) 01:48, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- My only topic is video games, but even then, with such a large community improving (and a large variety of them being japanese) i don't feel i can contribute much. I've tried comics, and even manhwa in the past, but i am not only unfamiliar with the topic, nor the sources, nor where to even look. It will have to be a learning process over a topic i have no passion for. but even then, one would even argue i'm getting close to the topic of anime/manga related articles. I tried that last time over modifying the Avatar: The Last Airbender . But even so, my passion was Japanese media when i was banned from anime for a few months. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucia Black (talk • contribs)
- If you have any desire to return and wish to follow Wikipedia's rules in doing so, your best bet is to get active on a different topic (Manhwa? American comics? American/European video games [not sure if that's covered]? Music? Something totally unrelated?), amassing a few GAs or so and, more importantly, demonstrating civil behavior (especially on content organization discussions) that you can link to later, and then apply for a ban removal. Tezero (talk) 01:48, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- But i have nothing to do here....this large ban might aswell be a site ban. Lucia Black (talk) 01:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- I have no passion for any other topic...i was on a stride with anime/manga articles. This is just for punishment's sake. Lucia Black (talk) 01:55, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Have you been banned from Avatar articles, or are you just not invested enough in them? Tezero (talk) 02:10, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- What about articles such as Aoi House? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:13, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Last time i went close to such technicality, I've been warned. So OEL manga, or Anime-inspired cartoons are "no" for me. Lucia Black (talk) 02:18, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- It does not fall under the Japanese entertainment scope though anymore than Avatar does. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:21, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- At the very least try looking into it. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:22, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- I;ve been warned regardless, and technicalities are technicalities. i said the same thing last time, but in the end, i was still warned. I tried this before. it didn't work. i'm not going to risk it again. Lucia Black (talk) 02:48, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Last time i went close to such technicality, I've been warned. So OEL manga, or Anime-inspired cartoons are "no" for me. Lucia Black (talk) 02:18, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- I have no passion for any other topic...i was on a stride with anime/manga articles. This is just for punishment's sake. Lucia Black (talk) 01:55, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Moving forward
editLucia, I am sorry it had to come to this topic ban, but that was the consensus I read in the AN discussion, and I am afraid it would have be disingenuous for me to have closed it in any other way. I notice that your user page says you are part of the novels wiki-project. Perhaps you could contribute there for a few months and then appeal the topic ban. You have done some great article work, but the manner in which some of your work with Japanese entertainment was executed ultimately hindered encyclopedic development (at least in the minds of many at AN). I am sorry you feel so distraught; please let me know if there is anything I can do to help (other than change the ban, which is unfortunately beyond my control). God bless. Go Phightins! 02:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
I would be also honored to help you. Lucia, I'm very sorry you are very upset about the topic ban too as I felt that it was a bit overwhelming. How about working on A Christmas Carol? I think we can get this article up to FA status and post on TFA on December 19, 2014 (the year after the 170th anniversary of the novel). Does that sound good to you? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict) Something that's just come to mind is that now would not be a wise time to decide for good what she's going to do, if anything, in the future on Wikipedia. Her ban has just been set in place, and I would not expect someone in such a situation to be able to edit with an open mind or make non-regrettable plans now. Tezero (talk) 02:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- There is a closure review at AN, it can be viewed here. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:10, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Condolences
editMy condolences on the topic ban, Lucia. Your absence will be a net loss for the project. We worked briefly together on Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, and while we had our disagreements then, I could see your proposed changes were always aimed at improvement. I've been following the kerfuffle over at the noticeboard, but since I've never been particularly active, I am not familiar with the history involved (previous incidents with Ryulong, Sergecross, Hasteur, and the like). While I wished it were otherwise, I thus did not believe I could participate impartially in the noticeboard discussion. Perhaps after a certain period of time, you might appeal the indefinite topic ban - propose probation or somesuch? - so you can at least edit again in your chosen area. Best of luck in the meantime, BloodDoll (talk) 04:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
@BloodDoll: Right now you're not helping as much as you believe. The problem is "combative" behavior isn't even worth a topic-ban if it doesn't happen as often as they claim nor is it excessive. with that said, this issue has been exasperated from the beginning. i rather members analyze the true heart of the issue. i'm only part of it, but it wont be solved with a one-year block. I'm doing my best, but there are instigators, and enablers for other members that are involved.
I honestly rather quit Wikipedia right now, than to humor the same people who want more and more bans. just because of the mere idea of seeing my name in AN/ANI. That is why what is happening, its not for disruption. I was given permission by an admin to question sanctions. So why push additional sanctions that might aswell be a site ban? even for one year. this topic ban was unwarranted... Lucia Black (talk) 09:02, 21 August 2014 (UTC)