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In your edit to Gunno Dahlstierna you removed the ;Attribution header. I've been putting that in many EB1911-sourced articles where the WP article is completely (or almost so) a copy of the original, as this is. See the discussion at User_talk:Speednat/Archive/2013/Dec#Attribution_header and the guidance at Wikipedia:PLAGIARISM#Where_to_place_attribution. Do you have a specific objection to the tag? David Brooks (talk) 19:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I object to the tag, because it is useless. Any citation is an attribution to my mind. No need to label it as such, or give it a special header. {{EB1911}} or whatever already displays a suitable message, explaining the material is being copied. Library Guy (talk) 21:19, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Sounds persuasive to me. I was putting it in out of caution, because I hadn't followed the plagiarism discussion that PBS referred to, so was interpreting the result conservatively. David Brooks (talk) 21:34, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hello. Please see this. Including both populated and unpopulated sister project pages is common Wikipedia practice. --Omnipaedista (talk) 19:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I think it just wastes the time of people who click on a link expecting something and not finding anything. It seems reasonable to wait until there is content to post a link to the page. I wouldn't call it common practice, fortunately, to post links to non-content, but I do see it happen, and I think it is a practice to be discouraged. Library Guy (talk) 21:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

One argument for the inclusion is that empty or not those pages exist and we are supposed to link them. A much stronger argument could be that this practice encourages readers/editors to get involved in populating those pages. For example, on January 15 I added a transwiki link to the Wikisource entry "Metaphysics (Ross, 1908)" which at the time was empty. On July 1, another editor populated it. Of course, this could have been done anyway. But I am inclined to believe that those transwiki links do encourage editors to contribute. --Omnipaedista (talk) 21:46, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

One doesn't have to click on an empty link to see there is no content. No link present cries out that there is no content for the subject of a biographical subject in Wikisource, and I would think this would be enough stimulus for the interested editor. There is just the Britannica article for Stobaeus in Wikisource, and that already has a link. Clicking on the Wikiquote link, there are quotes to be found, not just someone's good idea that someone else should find some quotes. I think a project should be at least started to warrant a link. But really there should be something substantial. A lot of people aren't editors, and even for those that are, at least for this one, the practice of advertising non-content is just annoying. Library Guy (talk) 16:30, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

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NSRW on Birkenhead

Re: "Birkenhead" . The New Student's Reference Work . 1914. and "I don't see why a link is needed to an obscure reference work that does add any additional information."

It is a different point of view, from the U.S. 100 years ago. How it summarizes the information I think is interesting. There is an intermediate population figure which I don't see elsewhere. It is comforting that it confirms the trend noted in the History section. I don't think it is needed, but I think it is useful. The Wikisource 1911 Britannica has a Birkenhead article at this point (Encyclopædia Britannica (11th ed.). 1911. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)). It is more elaborate, but it hasn't been proofread at this point, and I don't think it is ready for posting. And there is that big blank spot with no in-line links. Library Guy (talk) 19:27, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

If there is something of interest in NSRW to add to the article on Birkenhead, then add it to the main body of the text and use NSRW as a reference. Some where in Wikipedia's standards is the statement that WP is not a "link farm". JMcC (talk) 19:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes I've heard this policy. I like the different points of view provided by the external links. Other people seem to as well. A little link farming seems useful. It can be abused of course. I see two other links to sister projects in the "External links" section of the Birkenhead article. I think Wikisource (another sister project) also has things to offer to people interested in Birkenhead, and would like to give notice. In addition to NSRW and the half-baked EB1911 article, there is also Nuttall: "Birkenhead" . The Nuttall Encyclopædia. 1907. Not quite as obscure, and it also has a population figure, but it is very brief. Library Guy (talk) 19:58, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

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Hi there, thanks for adding an external link in several articles to the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica. I just thought I'd let you know that the correct method is to use "wstitle=" before the EB1911 article name (or use the Template:EB1911 poster}}. I found a few articles in Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with an unnamed parameter and corrected a couple e.g. Alexandria, Indiana and Alameda, California. - DivermanAU (talk) 22:31, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Certainly the use of the template without a parameter for the main arg is deprecated in some circles, but fortunately still allowed. Library Guy (talk) 16:22, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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I see that you have edited the Tampa, Florida article. So if you are interested you could atleast take a look at the article about Oba Chandler. I have invested quite some time editing it over the years. Thanks :)--BabbaQ (talk) 17:14, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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should reflect the fact that the editors of this first edition were: Daniel Coit Gilman, Harry Thurston Peck, and Frank Moore Colby (see Template:New_International_Encyclopedia).

Instead, it presents the the third editor as "F. Moore" (presenting the middle name, omitting the surname).

Please, indicate here how this might be fixed (or, if easily done, execute the correction yourselves)? Cheers. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

I imagine I am the original author of this template (probably as Bob Burkhardt), and it would be easy enough to correct the author problem by making the authors used conditional on the edition, but it wasn't my idea to put the list of editors in as I think having the link to the NIE article is sufficient if people are curious. I suspect it was PBS, but you can go through the history and figure that out. I think whoever put the list of authors in is the appropriate person to write to on this issue. Library Guy (talk) 15:08, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Fixed (See Template talk:New International Encyclopedia#Error in the NIE template). You wrote the initial script for {{cite NIE}} (which does not contain this error), but this template is older and has had many authors over the years since it was started back in 2006. -- PBS (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

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Kind of a mystery, your proposal. The article plainly lists a reference. Library Guy (talk) 19:41, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

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Its hard to see how in-line citations are needed when there is only one reference. When/if further references are introduced, then it would be necessary. Library Guy (talk) 22:11, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Now that I look though, I see that the last line might throw someone. I don't know that that is in DAB. There the link to his son's article is an implicit citation. I hope I have addressed your concerns. Library Guy (talk) 22:17, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

My worry was simply that without footnotes for individual statements, anything anyone inserts could appear to be attributed to the same source. With the book not being immediately accessible (it is, after all, a book) that makes it very difficult for a reader to trace the content. Thank you so much for adding the footnote (and doing so so very promptly!) Yadáyiⁿga (talk) 22:54, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

I don't see how the situation has changed. Someone could certainly still insert material outside of DAB without a citation. Though I use a hard copy, DAB is available electronically through all the libraries in my neighborhood here in Massachusetts, and I suspect elsewhere in the state and the United States. You're welcome for the footnote. I hope to contribute further to the article and would have moved to footnotes eventually I suspect, but I don't bother with them if I'm just using one source, which is often the case for the first draft. Library Guy (talk) 16:12, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Foreland

Thanks for your edit to Exmoor however the wikilink to Foreland is to a place on the Isle of Wight, not on the Exmoor coast.— Rod ^talk 18:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

There are also South Foreland & North Foreland. Perhaps "Foreland" should be a Disambiguation page?— Rod ^talk 18:28, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

This is related to an article I found in the 1911 Britannica on "Foreland, North and South". It doesn't mention the place on the Isle of Wight, but the end of the article does mention a "Foreland" in Devonshire. I put this in a "See also" section at the end of the Foreland article. There seemed useful information to be presented about The Foreland in Devon, but I'm not sure I presented it so people will see it. Apparently you missed it. A disambiguation page I don't think is the right situation for presenting this new information, but I did think of adding North Foreland and South Foreland to the new "see also" section I introduced. Library Guy (talk) 18:38, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I did see the "see also" but on wikipedia we tend to use disambiguation pages where there are several places (or people or things) with the same name & none of them is the "primary" usage. The alternatives is to add a Hatnote eg {{About}} or {{Other uses}}.— Rod ^talk 18:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I think there is useful information to be presented. I didn't think a new article was in order. The "see also" to me seemed the most graceful way of presenting it. I'm used to disambiguation articles that switch to various other articles, and in this case there are none to switch to. But perhaps a disambiguation style would be appropriate for presenting the information about the two forelands in the Foreland article? I was aware of the other alternatives you suggest. Since I had a citation, their simple format didn't seem the way to go to me. Library Guy (talk) 18:54, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

But on the Exmoor article, where you have reverted my edit, a reader would reasonably expect clicking on the wikilink Foreland to take them to an article about the place in Devon rather than one on the Isle of Wight and may be confused by this. The Foreland article is about "the easternmost point of the Isle of Wight." & it would just be confusing to try to cover two disparate places hundreds of miles apart in the same article.— Rod ^talk 19:00, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I've just found the article about Foreland Point so changed the wikilink to that.— Rod ^talk 19:02, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Just what was needed. Library Guy (talk) 19:05, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

There are lots of articles which include "Foreland" in their title/place name (eg Foreland Point, North Foreland, South Foreland, Foreland basin, Foreland Island, Foreland Fields (possibly near the Foreland on the Isle of Wight), Foreland Shipping, Foreland Grits). I definately now think a dab page is definitely the way to go.— Rod ^talk 19:08, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

The blurb in Britannica made a good citation for the first sentence of the Foreland Point article, and it certainly needed a source. And I added a "for" notification there and expanded the "about" notification in Foreland. That is the extent of my ambitions on this topic, though I think your disambiguation page could be useful. Library Guy (talk) 19:28, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

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I have left messages at Talk:Bennet Dowler. I found more informative articles in other Wikisource encyclopedias. He also has a biographical article (cited at The New Orleans Medical and Surgical Journal) and his obituary seems to be available. I think he is notable, but I will leave it to someone else to clear the banner you left, or dispose of the article as they see fit. Library Guy (talk) 14:00, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

EB1911 and India

Hi, I've just reverted a couple of entries for EB1911 that you have made to India-related articles. It really, really is not a good idea either to cite EB1911 or otherwise direct the reader to its entries where they relate to India. There is a long-standing consensus that we avoid using sources from the British Raj era etc in India articles, for reasons related to all sorts of colonial garbage that it promoted, notably scientific racism. - Sitush (talk) 17:16, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

As you please. It wasn't meant as source material for the article. Just an old point-of-view. Thanks for your follow up. Library Guy (talk) 17:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC) I have expanded your title for future reference. Library Guy (talk) 17:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

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