LibertyWolf

Hi, I'm learning Wikipedia. I'm just now finding out how to respond to you. I think you can see this. Please be patient with me, I'm trying to practice using Wikipedia. Thank you for your input. I'll make the corrections. LibertyWolf (talk) 18:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC) unsigned comment added by LibertyWolf (talk • contribs) 18:31, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Yup, I automatically follow the talk pages of anyone I've left messages for recently. PS you can sign comments you leave with 4 tilde characters like so: ~~~~ Lizthegrey (talk) 18:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

You're doing amazing now, keep it up! We've needed good journal citations and additions to the DID page that destigmatise for a while, and I'm thankful for your expertise and knowing which academic sources to point to. The one more thing I'd request is to always use edit summaries, but other than that you're doing an exemplary job now! Lizthegrey (talk) 21:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Lizthegrey I really appreciate that and the help you've provided me. I'll start using the edit summaries, too. Do I use the edit summaries for chat also? LibertyWolf (talk) 22:11, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit summaries are completely optional on talk pages, but quasi-mandatory on mainspace articles. Also see this edit for how to appropriately reference material that has a DOI, by using the {{cite journal}} template. Lizthegrey (talk) 22:46, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Did you know: The ref toolbar (and visual editor too) can help you create citation references? Lizthegrey (talk) 23:00, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Lizthegrey. I really appreciate the help.LibertyWolf (talk) 18:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Yup, no worries. BTW, I think the concern about self-promotion on user page is about promotion of your professional/news site unless it's phrased in a "more about me" / "this is my personal site" way. See WP:UP#PROMO for guidelines.

You may find more helpful resources on the WP:TEA site to learn editing, by the way. Welcome again to Wikipedia! Lizthegrey (talk) 19:01, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Those were my concerns @Lizthegrey, yes. I usually just tag unambiguously promo content for speedy deletion but as it seems that @LibertyWolf is trying to contribute in good faith I dropped the notice below. Thanks for replying before me, I was busy with something else. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 19:06, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Getting closer. Your changes are close enough to correct that instead of reverting I'll fix up and insert in the correct places. Lizthegrey (talk) 20:43, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Did you know: The visual editor can fix up citations for you so you aren't using bare URLs for citations? Use the "Cite journal" button, paste in the url, hit the magnifying glass, and it'll auto-complete the relevant fields for you. Lizthegrey (talk) 20:53, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, please don't make large laundry lists of links. Gotta prioritise! Top 5 links only :) Lizthegrey (talk) 04:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

March 2023

Hi LibertyWolf! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Dissociative identity disorder that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Hi, please make sure to mark changes as major unless they're typographical only; also please make sure you add sources to correspond with content changes you make, especially where biomedical information and psychiatry is concerned. Lizthegrey (talk) 16:12, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Lizthegrey. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Dissociative identity disorder, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Also, please use edit summaries so that people can more easily tell what you change, cheers. Lizthegrey (talk) 17:05, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Your user page may not meet Wikipedia's user page guidelines. It is intended for basic information about yourself, your interests and goals as they relate to editing Wikipedia, as well as disclosures of conflicts of interest and paid editing. Although a lot of freedom is allowed in personalizing your user page, it is not:

• an encyclopedia article (and should not be styled to look like one)
• a workspace for a draft article
• a personal website, blog, or social media site
• a space for self-promotion or other advertising
• a CV, resumé or lengthy autobiography

The user page guidelines have additional information on what is and what is not considered acceptable content. Please use your user sandbox or the draft article space to practice editing or to create new articles. Thank you. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 18:20, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Your edit to Schizotypal personality disorder has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. Lizthegrey (talk) 16:39, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

I saved the top half of your edits that weren't verbatim copying from the Merck manual and will paste them here for you to re-insert as appropriate. The revision you posted will be redacted shortly to avoid copyright risks to Wikipedia.

• symptoms = [[Ideas of reference and delusions of reference|Ideas of reference]], [[Magical thinking|unusual beliefs]], [[Illusion|perceptual Illusions]], [[Thought disorder|odd thinking and speech]], [[Suspicion (emotion)|suspiciousness]], [[Paradoxical laughter|inappropriate affect]], [[Eccentricity (behavior)|strange behavior]], [[Loneliness|lack of friends]], [[paranoid]] [[social anxiety]], [[dissociation]] (eg.[[derealization]], [[depersonalization]], amnesia, [[fugue]], alters, etc.)<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Ghorbali |first1=Akram |last2=Shaeiri |first2=Mohammad |last3=Fesharaki |first3=Mohammad |date=July 2021 |title=Relationship between Dissociative Experiences and Schizotypal Personality Traits: Mediating Role of Inferential Confusion |journal=Iranian Journal of Psychiatry |volume=17 |issue=1 |pages=52–60 |doi=10.18502/ijps.v17i1.8049 |pmc=8994835 |pmid=35480133 }}</ref> :<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Kaplan |first1=AM |last2=Smith |first2=CM |title=Schizotypal personality disorder disguised as dissociative identity disorder. |journal=BMJ Case Reports |date=20 July 2021 |volume=14 |issue=7 |pages=e243454 |doi=10.1136/bcr-2021-243454 |pmid=34285029 |pmc=8292736 |url=https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34285029/|pmc-embargo-date=July 20, 2023 }}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |last1=Giesbrecht |first1=Timo |last2=Merckelbach |first2=Harald |last3=Kater |first3=Maartje |last4=Sluis |first4=Anne Fetsje |title=Why dissociation and schizotypy overlap: the joint influence of fantasy proneness, cognitive failures, and childhood trauma |journal=The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease |date=October 2007 |volume=195 |issue=10 |pages=812–818 |doi=10.1097/NMD.0b013e3181568137 |pmid=18043521 |s2cid=45086235 |url=https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18043521/ |access-date=5 March 2023 |issn=0022-3018}}</ref>
• differential = [[Personality disorder#Cluster A (odd or eccentric disorders)|Cluster A personality disorders]], [[borderline personality disorder]], [[avoidant personality disorder]], [[autism spectrum disorder]], [[social anxiety disorder]], [[attention deficit hyperactivity disorder predominantly inattentive|ADHD-PI (ADD)]], [[dissociative identity disorder]],<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Ghorbali |first1=Akram |last2=Shaeiri |first2=Mohammad |last3=Fesharaki |first3=Mohammad |date=July 2021 |title=Relationship between Dissociative Experiences and Schizotypal Personality Traits: Mediating Role of Inferential Confusion |journal=Iranian Journal of Psychiatry |volume=17 |issue=1 |pages=52–60 |doi=10.18502/ijps.v17i1.8049 |pmc=8994835 |pmid=35480133 }}</ref> :<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Kaplan |first1=AM |last2=Smith |first2=CM |title=Schizotypal personality disorder disguised as dissociative identity disorder. |journal=BMJ Case Reports |date=20 July 2021 |volume=14 |issue=7 |pages=e243454 |doi=10.1136/bcr-2021-243454 |pmid=34285029 |pmc=8292736 |url=https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34285029/|pmc-embargo-date=July 20, 2023 }}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |last1=Giesbrecht |first1=Timo |last2=Merckelbach |first2=Harald |last3=Kater |first3=Maartje |last4=Sluis |first4=Anne Fetsje |title=Why dissociation and schizotypy overlap: the joint influence of fantasy proneness, cognitive failures, and childhood trauma |journal=The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease |date=October 2007 |volume=195 |issue=10 |pages=812–818 |doi=10.1097/NMD.0b013e3181568137 |pmid=18043521 |s2cid=45086235 |url=https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18043521/ |access-date=5 March 2023 |issn=0022-3018}}</ref> Lizthegrey (talk) 16:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

thank you, Lizthegrey. Wikipedia has alot of rules and regulations. how do you remember them all? LibertyWolf (talk) 17:09, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, one of us in the system is a right proper rules nerd who geeks out on regulations, tax codes, etc. Also we've been around Wikipedia 17 years now :) it comes with practice. Lizthegrey (talk) 17:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

amazing. you also have DID and Schizotypal, too, like me? and 17 years? that means you're a pro. Sensai Lizthegrey. and tax codes are tough to remember. its cool you remember all this. LibertyWolf (talk) 17:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

just DID (we're the Liz Fong-Jones mentioned at the bottom of the article). Lizthegrey (talk) 17:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

That's really cool you have your own wikipedia page and all the things you've done and do. You're a very successful and admirable young woman. I'm so sorry the things you've been though, especially at Google. I always imagined, based on the Google documentaries, working at Google would be awesome but I now know that's just another fantasy of mine. I hope all is well in your life now, in the background I mean. LibertyWolf (talk) 21:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Don't feel bad about it. Wikipedia's rules and regulations are very complicated; I feel like there's a new one I stumble onto every day! Schminnte (talk • contribs) 17:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

thank you. i'll try to not feel bad about it. i just really want to get the hang of everything. LibertyWolf (talk) 17:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome!

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Happy editing! Schminnte (talk • contribs) 19:06, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Please familiarize yourself with our policies and guidelines: looking at your previous edits indicates that Wikipedia:Citing sources would be a good start. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 19:08, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, a few other pointers: editing infoboxes and ledes of topics related to medicine needs to be done very carefully due to WP:MEDRS. Consider starting by editing page text rather than the first few paragraphs of an article or the highlighted information boxes, as any changes to the lede or infoboxes need to also correspond to sourced material in the rest of the article. Broadly, there can't be material in an infobox or lede that isn't substantiated elsewhere in the article. You may also find it easier to learn editing in areas that have a lower burden of proof (e.g. the history of psychology/psychiatry, rather than articles about psychiatric conditions themselves). Lizthegrey (talk) 19:20, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

other wikipedia articles should not be used as sources to your edits

just wanted to let you know that your recent addition on Dissociative identity disorder has been reverted. please carefully read WP:RS. RamaKrishnaHare (talk) 20:02, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@RamaKrishnaHare we both had the same thought; I kept on edit conflicting because we were trying to do the same fixup/change. I've moved to Symptoms rather than Complications though. Lizthegrey (talk) 20:50, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

thanks for your concern, wikipedia is made by people like you. i am also a relatively new editor, please guide me if i make any mistake. RamaKrishnaHare (talk) 20:53, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Please do not add bare links as citations to the articles

I know you are working hard to find reliable sources for your edits but adding bare links without proper citation is problematic. I think you didn't read referencing for beginners carefully. if that is hard to understand than you can use ref toolbar and visual editor because using bare links is not appropriate and time taking to fix. use automatic citation in visual editor. RamaKrishnaHare (talk) 08:09, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

thank you for pointing this out to me. how do you add citations for infoboxs? i'm having trouble with this. LibertyWolf (talk) 01:36, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Same way you add to any other text: by using the <ref>{{cite journal}}</ref> pattern. See the comment I left above for pointers to more details. Lizthegrey (talk) 01:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Not quite. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dissociative_identity_disorder&diff=prev&oldid=1142929156 for an example of correct use. Thank you for trying though, and the beauty of a wiki is that it's fine to take multiple tries to get it right, or someone else will come along and wikignome it to fix it if you don't get a chance to. Lizthegrey (talk) 02:07, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

this is tougher than it looks but i wont give up. i'll keep trying. and thank you @Lizthegrey. LibertyWolf (talk) 02:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

is there a video tutorial on this? i'm missing something. do i write out all the information for the citation or is it automatic when i copypaste the pattern? i read the comments and i'm missing something. LibertyWolf (talk) 02:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

There's a button on the toolbar, see WP:RefToolbar/2.0 Lizthegrey (talk) 02:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Closer. Fill in the DOI without the <>, then click the magnifying glass to auto-fill the other fields (it may take a second or two). Then click the Date accessed calendar button, then click submit. Lizthegrey (talk) 02:59, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

You have the toolbar open right? see Lizthegrey (talk) 03:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

There you go, now you have the hang of it. Way to go! Would you mind fixing up the earlier URLs you dropped in before you knew how to do journal referencing? Otherwise I can get them in the morning. One other thing I'd suggest is keeping the infobox to the most common comorbidities/differential DX, and putting the rest in prose in the rest of the article, but we can workshop that later on. Lizthegrey (talk) 06:05, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@LibertyWolf sorry for not replying as soon as you asked, due to time zone differences (i was sleeping 😴).

oh, so now I see the problem, yes you cannot cite sources in infobox using visual editor but you can Enable the editing tools in source mode from here.

Don't worry source mode is nothing of a rocket science, it is easy ones you understand. it contain all the information in article with all the links, citations, redirects, some of these ' , ] , { ,  : , ~ along with many others. but you don't have worry about them for now. infobox is generally at the top of page while editing in source mode. find the word or category in which the word is written and use automatic citation that's it! but remember automatic citation many a times put citations in wrong reference type and show errors. and yes @Lizthegrey is right, you have to keep infobox to the most common comorbidities/differential DX, and put the rest in prose in the rest of the article.

Remember to preview your changes before posting them, to check if the changes are the way you intended.

Remember You, I or anyone else don't have to master everything in one day, even i am in a learning phase, i am also experimenting with different things, so don't worry. have a nice day :) RamaKrishnaHare (talk) 08:09, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I did the long way of citing and referencing. I must be doing something wrong with the automated way @Lizthegrey. I'll fix up the other links. I'm almost done adding to the infobox. Afterwards I'll start adding content. For the content would mind helping me voice my content in Wikipedia language? LibertyWolf (talk) 16:34, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Sure, although would suggest that you start proposing potentially controversial changes on Talk:Dissociative identity disorder rather than talk pages so that more folks can see it before it lands! Just make a new section heading with your proposed text and people can give you feedback :) Lizthegrey (talk) 17:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@LibertyWolf be careful of voicing your opinion in Wiki-voice. In main space we can't use our own opinions, we have to use what reliable sources have said. If you can point to a publication or even an article by a self advocacy group calling out these films for poor representation and marginalizing us, that's better than putting commentary in Wikipedia's voice. Lizthegrey (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the tips. I really appreciate it @RamaKrishnaHare. LibertyWolf (talk) 16:39, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

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