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Your recent edits edit

Hello, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for uploading your speedway images to the Commons – they will be a valuable addition to speedway articles. However, please don't add comments such as "Photos are available on Wiki Commons" to the bottom of speedway related pages. This does not conform to Wikipedia's manual of style and it's not much use unless these images are linked. Consider adding the images to the article instead, or using the template commons category. Also, if you have any concerns about the accuracy of an article's content, please use the article's talk page to discuss improvements, and not the article. If you need any help, contact me on my talk page, contact the above user, or visit the help desk. All the best. Barret (talk) 12:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Option to upload photos denied until a certain status achieved, so the comment "photo available" was to alert the entry compiler to the fact that a photo could be attached. This appears to have worked for a number of entries when I revisited. I have hundreds of speedway related photos from 1974 to 1978 that I wish to make available to any compiler of entries on Speedway riders. Lawson Speedway (talk) 10:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Additionally, the majority of speedway rider entries have their talk takend externally to a motorcycling organisation, which means my message may get lost among countless general forum commentaries. I regretably do not have loads of time to devote to the task so am taking shortcuts ultimately to improve entries in WikipediaLawson Speedway (talk) 10:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

I'm not suggesting you upload the images to Wikipedia. Images uploaded to the Commons can be displayed on Wikipedia. It would probably be easier and quicker if you did this instead of the messages you are adding to the end of articles which I am having to remove. All you need to do is add the image to the infobox like this, or if the article has no infobox copy this example (just replace the file name). Regards. Barret (talk) 15:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
Hi I have noticed you are unsuccessfully attempting to add images to articles. You probably weren't aware, but adding the URL will not work. You need to type this for example [[File:Filename.jpg|200px]] (just replacing Filename.jpg) to add the image to an infoxbox, or something like this [[File:Filename.jpg|thumb|caption]] (replacing Filename.jpg and caption) to add the image to the article. Take a look here for more info: Wikipedia:Images. I hope this helps. Cheers. Barret (talk) 19:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

The learning curve is not so steep now :-) Successfully adding photos to entries. thanks. Lawson Speedway (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Sorted out my loading and editing problems (misunderstandings). Have successfully added dozens of photos to speedway riders plus Infoboxes where lacking, for uniformity. I have many more photos and negatives to scan and if the later photos are in better condition, I will replace earlier ones while still loading to blanks for other riders of the 1970s.Lawson Speedway (talk) 12:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Long Eaton Speedway edit

Any Long Eaton Speedway photographs? --palmiped |  Talk  17:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

None that I have found in my files (or that I can recollect as likely to find). Photo period in speedway started in 1974 and was finished really in 1977 (but I did have an occasional sorty in 1978).Lawson Speedway (talk) 10:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Looks like I was active during the "down" years of Long Eaton. That would explain why I have no photos.Lawson Speedway (talk) 10:37, 6 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

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Hi! Is John Dews supposed to be a redirect to John Dews (speedway rider), or an attempt to rename the latter? lavender|(formerlyHMSSolent|lambast 08:18, 24 June 2014 (UTC)Reply


A slip up trying to work out how to do links :-( Lawson Speedway

Well, if you're trying to link John Dews with the latter, you should use the #REDIRECT [[Target page]] wikicode instead, replacing "Target page" with the name of the intended article - in this case being John Dews (speedway rider). I would strongly suggest moving the contents of the latter article to the former, however, as no other articles of subjects with such a name currently exist on WP. Should you require further assistance on this, post a reply below. lavender|(formerlyHMSSolent|lambast 08:35, 24 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

I've created a page for John Dews (speedway rider) and got asked for stuff by Wiki that I had no idea about. I am happy with the full page and that is all I want to survive. Lawson Speedway

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Could you look at the changes made to Steve Holden. They show some syntax changes you need to make when you add new articles. For example, the photo is done wrong in the infobox. "df=yes" (stands for day first) needs to be added or those crazy Brit editors go bonkers because the date is in the wrong format. Dates are never wikilinked. Bgwhite (talk) 05:44, 25 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

You did it again with Brian Collins (speedway rider). Please do things correctly. I and other people have better things to do than correct your mistakes. Also, a Wikipedia links is not an external link. Forum posts should not be added. Please do DEFAULTSORT correctly. Bgwhite (talk) 04:54, 26 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
I appreciate the support - increasing Wiki content is a team effort. As a novice with writing software style and not understanding the jargon, I will continue to learn by doing and hope that people have patience with me. I started by copying an entry then changing info content, so some mistakes may creep in from the original template, as I worked within the structure already existing. I will also struggle to provide quality references as most info on Speedway riders not in the top echelon of the sport, tend to be on fansites and forums. Plus my personal knowledge - I was present at matches as a photographer. By starting off a page for a speedway rider, my hope is that others will expand it, even the person themself if still living. I promote these Wiki entries through the Facebook group "Speedway Friends" with over 9000 members, so I believe it is worthwhile to continue, even if imperfectly laid out (as that can always be corrected later) but a perfect blank page is worthless. With respect.

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You are still doing it. Please be more careful. Yes, it can always be corrected later, but that just wastes my time and other people's time. Please look at the changes made to Laurie Etheridge. Four other editor's time was wasted on this article. Not the changes and add them into your template. Bgwhite (talk) 18:59, 4 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

Lawson Speedway, better use the "Preview" button before saving. This will save us all time and effort. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 07:24, 8 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

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Please consider that (1) as a niche sport, and (2) we are going back 40 years, that traditional printed sources are rarely available for club riders unless they reached the pinnacles of the sport (e.g. Champions). As a niche sport in particular, many publications are "self-published" as the income from sales will not satisfy publishing houses. I have only made entries where I have personally known the riders, through my time as a Sports Journalist in the 1970s, Team Photographer, and as Life Member of the World Speedway Riders Association. I am also a member of the Royal Historical Society and have post-grad qualifications, meaning I do do research.
The rider under discussion was not a major player but he is part of the history of Speedway and still loved by fans from that era. His entry adds to the greater history of the Clubs he rode for and to lost his entry would be pity. Please allow time for further research, as the appeal has gone out to the speedway community of promoters, riders, and fans for more data. Given more time, the hope and desire is to increase the entry to a better standard. Thank you for reading this. Lawson Speedway (talk) 10:05, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply
I can see double standards on Wikipedia about notability. A football referee is deemed worthy of entry but a motor sportsman is not.
The referee is probably not a recognisable name but the speedway rider can be named by countless fans for his contribution to the sport and the teams he would have ridden for. Yet one has a bio and the other is denied. Lawson Speedway (talk) 13:08, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

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This is the same appeal as for Phil Michaelides, but the situation is identical.
Please consider that (1) as a niche sport, and (2) we are going back 40 years, that traditional printed sources are rarely available for club riders unless they reached the pinnacles of the sport (e.g. Champions). As a niche sport in particular, many publications are "self-published" as the income from sales will not satisfy publishing houses. I have only made entries where I have personally known the riders, through my time as a Sports Journalist in the 1970s, Team Photographer, and as Life Member of the World Speedway Riders Association. I am also a member of the Royal Historical Society and have post-grad qualifications, meaning I do do research.
The rider under discussion was not a major player but he is part of the history of Speedway and still loved by fans from that era. His entry adds to the greater history of the Clubs he rode for and to lost his entry would be pity. Please allow time for further research, as the appeal has gone out to the speedway community of promoters, riders, and fans for more data. Given more time, the hope and desire is to increase the entry to a better standard. Thank you for reading this. Lawson Speedway (talk) 10:06, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Please reflect on the problems involved in recording the bio of a minor player in a niche sport and why I start with basics and a "stub" to open up to other researchers to expand the entry. Wikipedia did not exist 40+ years ago, so contemporary media has gone.
While not a top rank rider, Brendan did ride for a notable club and is part of their history. To remove riders like him is like building a jigsaw but leaving pieces out. My books are not lightweight and to disrespect because self-published is to ignore: I knew the riders I am entering on Wiki, I worked as a Journalist in the 1970s (have been a member of the NUJ) and am a member of the World Speedway Riders Association (WSRA), currently also a member of the Royal Historical Society. The entry is a Work-In-Progress and, by starting, is an announcement to the Speedway community of promoters, riders and fans to look out their books, scrapbooks, programmes, magazines etc.
I respectfully request time for the entry to expand. I have already received thanks from family and friends for creating entries, so they are appreciated and recognised as a part of the fabric, no matter how minute, of a world sport. Lawson Speedway (talk) 11:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

Proposed deletion of Billy Burton edit

 

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It is unfortunate that Billy Burton has a big existence in the digital world but not analogue publishing. His importance (for an entry on Wiki) is that he rode for a number of clubs and is part of their history. Removing him is like taking a piece from the jigsaw picture of a club and leaving it incomplete.
An appeal is going out today to the speedway community of promoters, riders and fans, for more data to add to his profile. Lawson Speedway (talk) 11:29, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

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December 2023 edit

  Hi Lawson Speedway! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Kj cheetham (talk) 19:40, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Lawson Speedway, please take note of this, thank you. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Images in infoboxes edit

Hi, thank you for your contributions. In addition to my note about minor edits above, please also be aware that images in infoboxes only need the filename, not the while File: template, as per WP:IBI. Thank you. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi
I copy and paste the link from the upload page, so not sure what I am doing wrong. Lawson Speedway (talk) 13:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi, that link is for images outside of the infobox. You don't need the link inside, only the filename itself. As an example, this is how I corrected one of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Coles&diff=1195585817&oldid=1195584554 -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:08, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I may have been copying a html link for outside of Wiki then. I have the hang of it now, thanks Lawson Speedway (talk) 14:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
It doesn't seem quite right still, as on Tony Lomas it's still in the thumbnail in the infobox. I've fixed most of the other ones manually already for you in any case. -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't get it then. There are 2 options for the link once I have uploaded and one is for use in Wiki. "To use the file in a wiki, copy this text into a page:"
It seems fine in Preview so I publish. Lawson Speedway (talk) 14:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
The whole link for use it Wiki is just for outside infoboxes, for inside you only need the filename itsef.
e.g. if it gives you the link as [[File:Melvyn Taylor, speedway rider.jpg|thumb|Melvyn Taylor (known as Mel), speedway rider.]] you literally just need the "Melvyn Taylor, speedway rider.jpg" part (without the quotes). The caption can do in another infobox parameter if need be.
Really it's not a major issue though unless you're doing 100s, as I can always fix them manually in due course. :) -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for that. If only if it had been clearer on the Upload instructions.
I don't do this often but, when I do, I tend to try and get as many photos up as possible. Hopefully, I won't be making any more work for you. Lawson Speedway (talk) 15:08, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Glad we got it sorted in the end! I don't tend to ever upload photos myself so I'm not sure what the interface looks like. Keep up the good work! -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply