Jlyster

February 2012

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Hi. Unfortunately it seems that your request to Favonian tripped one of Wikipedia's edit filters and was blocked from appearing on their talk page. I'm not sure why, but I'll leave Favonian a note pointing them here. You can post whatever you wanted to discuss on this page and they (or I) will try to help out. Regards, EyeSerene^talk 19:17, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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WP:CITE has everything you'll ever need to know about that. Happy editing!

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What do you mean by "my" administrator? There are more than 1500 admins here on Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:List of administrators/A-F

Dipankan ^{In the woods?} 15:56, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

 

Edit to Herbert Hoover article; Draft edit to the Herbert Hoover article, under the section headed "Mining Engineer"

Jlyster (talk) 09:50, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hoover went to Australia in 1897 as an employee of Bewick, Moreing & Co., a London-based mining company. He served as a geologist and mining engineer while searching the Western Australian goldfields for investments. After being appointed as mine manager at the age of 23, he led a major program of expansion for the Sons of Gwalia gold mine at Gwalia, Western Australia, and brought in many Italian immigrants to cut costs and counter the union militancy of the Australian miners.[5][6] He believed "the rivalry between the Italians and the other men was of no small benefit."[5] He also described Italians as "fully 20 per cent superior"[5] to other miners.

Hoover worked at gold mines in Big Bell, Cue, Leonora, Menzies and Coolgardie, Western Australia. [7][8] It was during his time in Western Australia, 1897-98, that Hoover first met Mr. Fleury James Lyster.

Hoover married his Stanford sweetheart, Lou Henry, in 1899. The Hoovers had two sons, Herbert Clark Hoover Jr. (1903–1969) and Allan Henry Hoover (1907–1993). The family went to China, where Hoover worked for Bewick, Moreing & Co. as the company's lead engineer. Hoover and his wife learned Mandarin Chinese while he worked in China and used it during his tenure at the White House when they wanted to foil eavesdroppers.[9] The Boxer Rebellion trapped the Hoovers in Tianjin in June 1900. For almost a month, the settlement was under fire. Hoover himself guided U.S. Marines around Tianjin during the battle, using his knowledge of the local terrain.[10]

Hoover was made a partner in Bewick, Moreing & Co. in 1901 and assumed responsibility for various Australian operations and investments. The company would eventually control approximately 50% of gold production in Western Australia. By now, Mr. Hoover was no longer living in Australia, instead he visited this country in 1902, 1903,1905 and 1907 as an overseas investor. In August–September 1905, he founded the Zinc Corporation (later, following various mergers, to become Consolidated Zinc and then a part of the Rio Tinto Group) with William Baillieu and others with the intention to purchase and treat the zinc rich tailings in Broken Hill, New South Wales. Known as "the Sulphide Problem", it had been noticed that considerable zinc in the lead-silver could not be recovered and was lost as tailings. Initially, Broken Hill mining companies mostly extracted the silver by crushing and gravitation methods by the turn of the century. Hydro-metallurgical and magnetic separation methods were also tried, however the main breakthrough came in 1902 when Delprat and Potter independently devised processes that would eventually be patented as the Delprat-Potter method. This was a part of the overall effort being made in Broken Hill to devise a practical and profitable method to use the newly developed froth flotation process to treat these tailings and recover the zinc.[11] Floatation, an important mineral separation process, was pioneered in Broken Hill and numerous efforts were being made in various locations around the world to refine this process. The Delprat-Potter process became the main method used in various companies in Broken Hill up until 1912, however Hoover's investment in Zinc Corporation struggled to gain success using this process. As a director, Hoover was responsble for achieving a successful method in order to ensure the survival of the company. It was at the time of Hoover's 1907 Australian visit that Fluery James Lyster relocated from Hoover's original location in the Western Australian goldmines to Broken Hill and began his experiments which resulted in his application for patent no. 5040 on the 21st May, 1912. Lyster's process enabled the Zinc Corporation to operate the world's first "Selective or Differential Floatation" plant by September, 1912. The Minerals Separation, Limited entity was able to secure the rights to the proceeds of these developments for the investors when Lyster signed the US Patent 1,203,372 on 31st October, 1916 and US Patent 1,380,665 on 7th June, 1921. Working with his brother, Theodore J. Hoover through the U.K based Minerals Separation Ltd., and his own company, Herbert Hoover was supplying the world's industries, such as steel, with the needed base minerals, including Zinc. Hoover left Bewick Moreing & Co by 1908 and, setting out on his own, eventually ended up with investments on every continent and offices in San Francisco, London, New York City, St. Petersburg, Paris and Mandalay, Burma. He had his second majorly successful venture with the British firm Burma Corporation, again producing Silver, Lead and Zinc in large quantities at the Namtu Bawdwin Mine, where he had caught malaria in 1907. By 1914, Hoover was an extemely wealthy man, with an estimated personal fortune of $4m. He was once quoted as saying "If a man has not made a million dollars by the time he is forty, he is not worth much". Sixty Six years after opening the mine in 1897, Hoover still had a partial share in the Sons of Gwalia mines when it finally closed in 1963, just one year before the former President's death in New York City in 1964. The successful mine had yielded $55m in gold and $10m in dividends for investors. Herbert Hoover, acting as a main investor, financier, mining speculator and organiser of men, played a major role in the important metallurgical developments that occured in Broken Hill in the first decade of the twentieth century, developments that had a great impact on the world mining and production of silver, lead and zinc.

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Drop me a message and I'm happy to provide whatever assistance I can :).

Ironholds (talk) 23:14, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

 

• Honestly, you can probably get away with it as free content. If the photograph was published before 1923 in the United States, it's public domain :). Ironholds (talk) 01:56, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

  Well, once you've uploaded the image (through Wikipedia:Upload, which I can help you through if you need it), it depends on what you want to do with the image. If you want to stick it in the infobox (the bug blue box with essential data on the top right of the page), you go to the "|image=" line and add the name of the file ("HerbertHoover.jpg" or whatever). If you want to add it to the article text, you go to the paragraph you want it to display next to and add "[[File:HerbertHoover.jpg|thumb|right or left, depending on which side you want it to be on|whatever text you want to appear underneath it]]". I appreciate it's stupidly complex; I cannot wait until they introduce a WYSIWYG editor. Ironholds (talk) 04:48, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

• Actually before I started out on this effort I had only once before had any experience with html when I had a go at this visitor counter web page..........I found out about web page source properties from somewhere and just played around with the idea from looking at source code for other web pages.........kinda' exciting to see my bumbling efforts actually turn into something that worked on a web page. That was a few yrs ago and so if YOU think it is confusing then wow......majorly so for me. But actually, once you get the hang of it, it is very logical and so once you make a start it just becomes a matter of finding out all these conventions. Usually just seeing other edits is a way to copy and work it out for oneself. Anyway, I might just have a go at what you recommend and just use the thumbnail for now.........see what it looks like and if it is OK then that is it...........if the quality is too poor then it is back to the WA Library and see what they have to say about copyright for such an old image. Doesn't wikipedia have info on copyright for pre 1923 images in places outside of the USA? One thing I must say is that wiki is full of a bedazzlig array of help resopurces however it is all so cavernous, what with all the hyperlinks..........one gets lost when one is looking for a specific bit of help.Jlyster (talk) 05:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

  Oh, agreed. We really need to structure our help documentation better :(. Okay, your linking was perfect! I've tweaked the words a bit (we try to avoid contractions and abbreviations like y.o.) but other than that it looks fantastic :). Ironholds (talk) 17:37, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

  Looks like you found a perfect tag :). Should be okay now. Ironholds (talk) 04:58, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

More information needed about File:Hoover 1.jpg

Hello, Jlyster!

It was really helpful of you to you to upload File:Hoover 1.jpg. However, we need to properly format the image license information in order to keep and use new images.

If you can edit the description and add one of these templates, that would be great. If you're not sure how or would like some help, please ask us at the media copyright questions page and we'll be happy to assist you.

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• Thanks for the tips, I'll do my best to follow these in future Jlyster (talk) 17:40, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

About copyright tags

To add a copyright tag, you don't need to reupload, and that actually doesn't work. The way to add a tag is simply to place the code on the file description page itself, rather than in the place where you type the reason that you're reuploading ("upload summary"); this is the way that it works. Humans can see from your upload summary that you attempted to add a license tag, so it likely wouldn't have been deleted for lack of a license, but bots (automated programs, such as ImageTaggingBot, which looks for licenses and which left the message on your talk page just above the "Editing tips" header) aren't able to read that and will thus mark the image for deletion unless you actually place the code on the file description page itself. Any questions? Feel free to ask me at my talk page. Nyttend (talk) 12:51, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

• thx for your feedback and help Jlyster (talk) 13:55, 28 February 2012 (UTC)