User talk:JdeJ/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Sockpuppets

JdeJ, I am getting very tired of your behaviour. There is no reason on earth why I should have to put up with your constant personal attacks. If what you wrote earlier today was not bad enough, now I am accused of sockpuppetry. One more disgraceful comment from you and I'll haul your ass straight to AN/I. Clear? AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 19:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I wouldn't blame you for doing so, to be perfectly honest. As I pointed out in my reply to DIREKTOR, I've made at least three really bad edits today, that post is one of them. No, I don't believe you to to have any sockpuppet and when I returned to look at it, my first thought was to remove it but the unfortunate name I had given to my post would still have remained. As I told DIREKTOR, I'm taking a break from editing anything that could even remotely be perceived to be a conflict as I've clearly been wildly out of touch today.JdeJ (talk) 20:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

That's kind of you to say so. Have a good night's sleep, and see you around. Personally, I'm certain we can work together to improve these articles. Best, AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 20:09, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure we will. Believe me when I say that this day has been my worst during at least two years of Wikipedia activities. Once again, I'm really sorry for the inconvenience this has caused you. JdeJ (talk) 20:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, no worries, we all have bad days my friend. See you around ;-) AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Fortune Global 500

Hi, I'm at a loss with a British IP at the Fortune Global 500 article who keeps vandalising this article again and again because he/she is not happy that Fortune Magazine listed the location of Royal Dutch Shell in the Netherlands. I see in the history of the article that you edited the article in the past, so maybe you'd be intested in checking it. The article is simply a copy of the Fortune Global 500 list, so if we start changing data from that list just because we believe Fortune Magazine is wrong, it basically opens Pandora's box (for example Fortune Magazine says EADS is located in the Netherlands even though the actual location of its headquarters is in France and Germany, and so on). Apparently the British IP doesn't understand that we have to be faithful to the source, otherwise it's not the Fortune Global 500 list anymore, it becomes something else. Sigh... 83.202.17.41 (talk) 18:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Altaic peoples

Not having sources is not neccesarily a deciding factor in AFD. The deletion guidelines specifically mentions for reasonable attempts at finding references fail. Could you please return to the AFD, do a search for sources explain how they can't be found. It would make your argument stronger and probably lead to a quick unanimous decision. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:29, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Historikos

Uhm, just to remain fair, I think you might be overdoing it a little bit with your last post on his talk page. I mean, "habitual liar" is a bit strong. (About the "didn't remove content", for instance, the inline comment he removed wasn't in fact "article content", so in a sense that was actually true, and in any case it's a pretty minor issue.) Just a thought. Maybe you might want to redact that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:18, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Done. I'm pretty sure he's a troll but I still removed it.JdeJ (talk) 11:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Quebec

I ask you to retract that my "whole argumentation seems to be based on personal attacks and little else". DoubleBlue (talk) 19:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Your request has been noted. Your comments to Wikiqueb have been along the lines of "You have quite a bee in your bonnet, haven't you?", and "your POV, sole-purpose account is unwelcome, as far as I'm concerned" while you've presented very little factual arguments. I suggest you consider improving your arguments instead of complaining when your style of arguing is pointed out. And for the record, I explicitly pointed out that the same goes for Wikiqueb. JdeJ (talk) 19:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

My first reply to Wikiqueb and my second have plenty of arguments for the position. The bee in the bonnet came after seeing the amount of discourse he ahd covered the talk page with and it turned out to be true when he responded that his was a sole-purpose account seeking out Anglo bias. DoubleBlue (talk) 20:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Look, in no way am I singling you out. In my eyes, Wikiqueb is on a mission and I'm not comfortable with it. On the other hand, he is new and may still calm down. Either way, the way forward is to engage in a calm discussions, not to exchange insults even when we are insulted. JdeJ (talk) 20:04, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I see that I misread his statement about expecting NPOV as expecting POV and I have apologised on the discussion page. I don't believe I insulted the user in any other way. DoubleBlue (talk) 20:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

You're right, and I have withdrawn my earlier comment. Far from my faulty first impression, you show maturity and I look forward to further discussions and co-operations. JdeJ (talk) 20:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for that and I appreciate your attempts to find a solution to the issue. DoubleBlue (talk) 20:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Britain's Josef Fritzl

Plase take another look at the article, and let me know what you think on the AfD page.:) Sticky Parkin 22:19, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate

your sensible and thoughtful comments on the European Ethnic Groups talk page. Have you looked at the articles on Ethnic group and Culture? This articles tend to get messy perhaps for predictable reasons, but anyway, both could use work. I put a fair amount work into both a different times and have stepped aside hoping others who are reasonably informed could work on them. Please consider it - we always need good editors for articles that are related to the social and human sciences/cultural studies. Slrubenstein | Talk 00:11, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Ouch! You've used a template to send a message to an experienced editor. Please review the essay Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humour. Best wishes. User:MiszaBot III (talk) 01:22, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

um, so which is it, do you find my contributions "unhelpful" or not? I have just submitted to your judgement and removed my contributions. I contribute to the article, you drop me a vandalism warning.[1] I remove my contributions and you also drop me a vandalism warning[2]. What the hell, man. --dab (𒁳) 10:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know your history and cannot comment on that, but at least your recent actions are very unhelpful, disruptive and immature.JdeJ (talk) 10:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Cliches

Hi, JdeJ. Regarding this edit, I would agree that cliches are as common in Korea as anywhere else. However due to differing cultures, the cliches differ in different countries and their cinemas. In my experience, and reading on the subject, the cliche Korean ending-- at least until fairly recent years-- is a tear-jerker, maudlin, sad ending. But then I wouldn't really call the "happy ending" cliche entirely "western" either-- as the version you changed had it. At least in cinema, the "happy ending" cliche is more U.S. than "western", I think... But the entire section, and that comment on the cliche, is totally unsourced, OR as far as I see. So your version is as good as the previous one, I guess... Just some thoughts. Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 22:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your nice comment, you're absolutely right. I replied in full on your talk page.JdeJ (talk) 22:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Right, JdeJ-- I'm a big fan of both the Japanese and the Korean cinema, and I think South Korea is making some of the most interesting movies I've seen these days... Spider Forest, The President's Last Bang, Feathers in the Wind, Save the Green Planet!, for example. Dekkappai (talk) 23:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Germans

And there are German-speaking Mexicans, do you want to fill in that page for every little case? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.45.72.26 (talk) 22:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your uninformed comment. It might interest you to know that the majority of all Mexicans speak Spanish, not German. As for South Tyroleans, the majority of them speak German.JdeJ (talk) 22:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow, do you really have to make personal attacks like that? That is quite crude, and I'm willing to bet I'm quite a bit more informed than you on North East Italy and Mexico. By the way, that listing does not state majority or minority language, it simply points out languages spoken in a particular area of Europe. As far as uninformed, lets see: there are indeed native German speakers in pockets of Mexico. There was in fact a large migration of Germans to Mexico.. ever wonder where Mexican polka music and beer came from!? I'm sure you knew all of that though. Also, South Tyrol itself is a political term with less than 100 years of usage, not an ethnic term. In that particular province the majority (roughly 2/3) of people state their mother tongue is German, however, since this is a province in Italy nearly 100% of the people speak fluent Italian. So it is not so black and white as you appear to believe. Oh, never mind, I should of checked first. Swedish being arrogant, there is something new. :-) and of French extraction, oh boy... :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.45.72.26 (talk) 00:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Get real now and stop acting like a drama-queen. The fact remains that not even 1% of Mexicans speak Germans so it would hardly be wise to include "Mexicans" in a list over German speakers. A large majority of South Tyroleans do speak German, making it natural to include them. Is there anything unclear in this?JdeJ (talk) 07:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

South Korea

If you think the South Korea is that biased, could you please give specific examples of what is NPOV? We're currently trying to improve that page and you could aid us; we could always use more editors. If you've already identified problems that would even give you some momentum to fix them. RlndGunslinger (talk) 23:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I've already mentioned the main problem, the excessive listing already in the lead of superlatives and the constant exclusion of anything that isn't "best in Korea". I'll elaborate further at the talk page of the article.JdeJ (talk) 07:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Wondergirls/Lakshmix

ever get the feeling that they are one and the same?

for both of them, their favourite article is South Korea, they have both contributed on BRIC, on Samsung and weirdly enough they have both contributed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_College_School ..kinda strange..

Also my edit was reverted by Wondergirls with the summary "you are Japanese and continuously vandalizing Korean-related articles" while Lakshmix has made reverts with the following summaries : "You are Russian/Japanese and clearly anti-Korean, don't break WP:POV rules" and "You are Chinese and your past edits are all anti-Korean"

do I have an overactive imagination, or do they seem like the same editor to you?

Sennen goroshi (talk) 15:22, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, obviously the same user. Probably should be reported for sockpuppetry as he is using multiple accounts to avoid possible 3RR-blocks. The comments about your nationality constitute a personal attack, as the nationality of any editor is irrelevant and should not be used to attack people.JdeJ (talk) 16:30, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The comments about my nationality are rather ironic, as I am English and have the English flag and English Royal family crest on my user page - but I get comments about me being Japanese. I might make a sockpuppet report when I am a little less busy. Sennen goroshi (talk) 16:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

3RR warning

You've been long enough to acknowledge 3RR policy, this is a small courtesy for you:you've reverted 3 times in 24 hours. Regards.--Caspian blue 09:18, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, I no longer care about you. Your behaviour clearly shows that you're unsuited to be a moderator, you target non-Korean users, you patronise Korean users, you "moderate" by targeting those involved in discussions and protect those who are only edit-warring, you make personal attacks over and over again and refuse to engage in any discussion. Your whole moderation activity is a sad display of partial and nationalistic concerns while you completely ignore the policies you became a moderator to uphold. You keep attacking me and other non-Korean users who make edits to Korean articles and demand that we explain our actions. The call for explanations is fine, but I notice that you do not make any similar demands on your fellow Korean contributors. What is more, you yourself just shy away from all questions you are asked. I have repeatedly tried to explain my edits and to answer your questions, yet you never have the courtesy to do the same thing. Looking at your behaviour across several articles, it seems pretty clear that your interest here is to promote Korean nationalism and to target users whom you perceive to make edits going against that view. If there's any other reason for you going after myself and other non-Korean users in edit disputes despite us engaing in talk page discussion, yet ignoring Korean users even if they just keep edit warring without discussing, then please explain what that reason is. I don't consider your partial and one-sided behaviour appropriate for a moderator.And no, I won't violate 3RR and I would not have done it regardless of your warning.JdeJ (talk) 10:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Civility

Now I take offense at your rude comment against me (already got it from your retracted one though). If you carefully look though Lakshmix's talk page, you will notice (several) conflicts between him and me for the article. I've already talked about the same matter with him, so do not attack me regarding the matter related to ranking and ownership. Therefore, your false accusation like my intention is to promote Korean nationalism and to protect fellow Koreans is really upsetting. I indeed have felt annoyed at your rhetoric and accusatory tone. If you really want to improve the article of South Korean and Seoul, please behave nice and do not attack people even if you think their edits are not good. --Caspian blue 10:20, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment, I understand that you do not like my comment above. I admit that the opinion I express in that comment is the opinion I have got over the past days, but I'll be glad to apologise if it turns out to be wrong. For instance, you chose to override me and other users to restore very extensive and non-discussed changes Lakshmix had done to an article. Instead of encouraging him to seek consensus for such dramatic changes, you claimed that it was I who had to explain why I wanted the proper page restored. At Seoul, you took the opposite course, saying that it was I who had explain my edits since I wanted the article change. So regardless of whether I wanted to restore a consensus version over undiscussed and sweeping changes or whether I wanted to introduce changes, it was always I who had to explain myself and not Lakshmix. I'm sure you understand that I find that somewhat strange. If I somehow misinterpreted your actions, then I'm profondly sorry for that, and perhaps you would like to explain how you see it and why you chose to side with Lakshmix and restore his undiscussed and unsourced version Developed country. I've seen that other editors have asked you the same thing.JdeJ (talk) 10:33, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. You seem like a person who can let past things go. The only reason I reverted the article is the accusations like "sockpuppeter!" and "identified vandalism!" at the summaries. As for the latter editor, she falsely labeled a couple of non-vandalism cases as "vandalism" recently. I had considered her a fair editor (collaborated with her once), so my disappointment toward her was higher than others. As you see, Lashmix does hardly come to discuss things except when editors approach to his talk page. Therefore, I actually almost give up talking with him and I've thought of my English as a factor that he is reluctant to talk with me. As for the other non-Korean editor, I would not say more, but it is like a unfunny version of Tom the cat and Jerry the mouse for over one year. Anyway, if I think Laksmix's edits look good to me, I would revert it further, but I did not. However, I know that Lakshmix feels cornered, he would never come to discuss with people. That's all. I see that you would not just come by, so good luck for your edits.--Caspian blue 11:00, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind reply. I understand your reasoning better now and I realize that I was too quick to judge. My apologies for having jumped at conclusions too quickly. I'm sure we'll be able to co-operate wellJdeJ (talk) 12:03, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

pssst

I noticed that you referred to Caspian Blue as a moderator, he is just an editor, the same as you and I. Not that the fact that he is just an editor makes him any better or worse, I just didn't want to see you assume something incorrectly.

see you

Sennen goroshi (talk) 12:25, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Good Faith

Hello. I appreciate your interest in the number of speakers for Farsi. If you could actually provide data from sources aside from the CIA Factbook, I would appreciate it. In a book that I am currently co-authoring, we will have a list of languages spoken as a mother tongue by 50 million or more. Currently, we have not included Farsi because of lack of -- in our limited view admittedly -- is inadequate statistical support for that number of speakers. It actually helps our case to have more languages included in the list, so this is actually a sincere question.

By the way, my changes on the Farsi language entry were made in good faith. The statement that I was someone "claiming" to be an academic seemed a bit like name-calling to me, although perhaps you did not intend it to sound that way or were responding to what you thought might not have been corrections made in good faith. I hope there are no hard feelings.

David A. Victor (talk) 05:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)David A. VictorDavid A. Victor (talk) 05:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Marseille

Why did you remove the link to the phototheque of Marseille and its environs? This was a private person's website (hosted by my own internet provider) and seemed to be quite good. I translated the title of the website (because of the peacock term and the misspelling); it did not appear to be spam. Mathsci (talk) 16:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the rapid response. Happy New Year to you! (You must have lots of snow where you are for all those nice reindeer.) Mathsci (talk) 17:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Languages of Europe

Regarding my latest edit, what I did was intended to arrange the macro-families (ndo-European, Finno-Ugric...) in terms of number of speakers, not the sub families within the macro-families. I don't feel the latter is necessary, but I do think that Indo-European languages should be listed first, as they comprise the overwhelming majority of speakers. --Tsourkpk (talk) 18:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I see your point. In that case, prefer a numerical ordering. I will work on making the change if that's fine with you. --Tsourkpk (talk) 18:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Puppets

I was wondering why you stated what you said in your edit summary here; what is your evidence to back this claim? Feel free to email it if you feel it is sensitive. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D} 06:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree that perhaps wondergirls and Lakshmix deserve a little attention regarding the use of sockpuppets, just out of interest are these the only two accounts you are aware of that might be used by the same person, or are there any more accounts that you think might be linked to Lakshmix etc. カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 15:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mariana Bridi da Costa

I am worried solely about the quality of discussion, that's what I am "campaigning" for. 78.34.148.245 (talk) 19:00, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

You've stated your opinion, I've stated mine.JdeJ (talk) 19:01, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not as simple as that. You stated an opinion about me and speculated about my motivations. Not only are your speculations about my motivations mistaken, it's also wrong to make such speculations. 78.34.148.245 (talk) 19:05, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

That's your opinion. All things taken into consideration, I do think that your motivations could be questioned. Let me remind you that you-re running a single-purpose account in a rather aggresive way. And for someone who turned up on Wikipedia today, finding your way directly to this specific discussion, you seem to be very well into the policies. If you want to make a complaint about me hinting at the possibility of you being a sock, bring it up at ANI. I'll remove further comments here as I'm not interested in a further discussion.JdeJ (talk) 19:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

"Running a single purpose account"? Nope. Aggressive? Yes, some might see it that way, but then again may I remind you that you did not comment on behaviour such as plain voting, tagging and refactoring others' comments and personal attacks directed against e.g. the nom as "pointy" in that very same AfD. Just saying, it might appear to an neutral observer as though you are attacking me based on your "strong" opinion that the article should be kept. Your motivations in the AfD are far more questionable than mine. Btw, if you want to know what an SPA looks like, you might want to look here. 78.34.148.245 (talk) 19:20, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Let me get this right: your every contribution is about the topic of this Brazilian model but you still claim that you don't run a single-purposed account? Funny, but not credible.JdeJ (talk) 19:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

VenetianPrincess

I noticed your edit on VenetianPrincess, which is on my watchlist as being frequently vandalized. You placed two requests for citation on her ancestry. I have a broader question: In what way is such information useful? If someone came from Liechtenstein, spoke only German at home, hung the Liechtenstein flag outside their home, then perhaps an argument could be made that their nationality was central to them. But in many articles, these claims seem...well...irrelevant...nationalistic. Even racist. Any thoughts on this? Piano non troppo (talk) 18:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your question. I don't think I've ever added the nationality of anyone myself, but in a general sense, I don't see a problem with marking the nationality of people and I most certainly don't see it as racist in any way. Having said that, there are cases where it could be and it's not all that rare that such information is added for nationalistic purposes. As for how relevant it is, well, we usually have quite a lot of information about people. When they were born, where they were born, how tall they are and many other things. I don't see nationality being more or less relevant than such information, and that is of course just a personal opinion.JdeJ (talk) 10:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Troyster87

An article that you have been involved in editing, Troyster87, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J Stalin (3rd nomination). Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Troyster87 (talk) 08:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Fortune Global 500

Hello. Just to let you know that the Fortune Global 500 article has been vandalized again by apparently the same guy who vandalized it repeatedly last year. His/her obsession is with Royal Dutch Shell which he/she insists should be listed as a Dutch/UK company even though Fortune Magazine which is the source of the article lists it as a Dutch company only. Apparently he/she doesn't undertstand that at Wikipedia we have to respect sources. Godefrew (talk) 12:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

ANI

Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:JdeJ. Thanks, EyeSerene^talk 08:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. I fully share your views of both my own and TownDown's actions.JdeJ (talk) 11:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

With your language skills would you be interested in helping out at Czech Republic – Iceland relations? The article is up for deletion for not having enough sources. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Macedonia request for comment

Since you have in the past taken part in related discussions, this comes as a notification that the Centralized discussion page set up to decide on a comprehensive naming convention about Macedonia-related naming practices is now inviting comments on a number of competing proposals from the community. Please register your opinions on the RfC subpages 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.

Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I have noticed than in your endorsement you make no mention to disambiguation but only in naming the country article. Bear in mind that common name ("Macedonia") for the country is also applicable in proposal C while proposal A is differentiated by assuming a "primary topic" for the country over the other meanings in conjunction to the naming of the article. Naming of the country article is independent to the choice of primary topic, if any, for the ambiguous word Macedonia. Shadowmorph ^{^"^} 23:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Meran/Merano

Hi! I see you tried to move the Merano page to Meran. I have reverted the move, not because I disagree with it, but because you're not supposed to move the page by copy-pasting the content. Copy-paste moves don't preserve the edit history of the page and therefore should never be done. Instead, the article should be moved by using the move button (see Help:Moving a page). This can normally be done by any editor who has an account more than 4 days old and who has more than 10 edits is usually able to move a page if the target page is a red link or a simple redirect with no edit history. If the target page has edit history, as in this case, we should let an administrator handle it, because it involves deleting the target page first (something non-admins don't have the tools to do). Usually an admin performs the move when the article has been listed at Wikipedia:Requested moves for a week and there's consensus on the talk page to move the article. I hope you understand my actions, and if you have any questions, don't hesitate to drop a message on my talk page. Cheers, Jafeluv (talk) 19:10, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Move request for Meran

There is a request that Meran be moved to Merano, at Talk:Meran#Requested move to Merano (5 July 2009) Ian Spackman (talk) 14:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Nykarleby

As one might expect, Google Books shows Nykarleby as distinctly more common than Uusikaarlepyy. If one takes all WP:NCGN's suggestions on how to be sure one is searching for usage actually in English, and in running text - so as to avoid counting "Nykarleby (Finnish Uusikaarlepyy)" on both sides - the margin becomes much greater, about five to one. If there is a proposal to make the names of Finland uniform, against English usage, do let me know. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Most strikingly fair; thank you for looking and for acknowledging what you saw.

On the personal issue: I will be glad to amend any comments which call you a German nationalist (I don't think there are any, since I don't think so; but will consider any diffs you name). It is, however, quite possible to be a German nationalist and not a Nazi - part of the reintegration of Germany into Europe as a normal state; both Noclador and User:Matthead (who fights about Silesia and Danzig) should qualify. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Your edit on WP:ANI

Hi!

I'm not sure what you tried to do here but it seems to have messed up the whole board. I reverted the edit for now. If you want to make a comment, make sure you only edit the section in which you'd like to comment, never click the edit button at the top of the page.

Thanks! Big Bird (talk • contribs) 14:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Reply

Please see Talk:Ethnic cleansing. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 08:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Corsican language

Unless you can prove that ethnologue.com is not a valid source under WP:SOURCES, you'll have to leave the classification of the language as it is. Your personal opinion on what a "fringe opinion" is is irrelevant if you don't provide any backing evidence whatsoever.--93.45.104.93 (talk) 17:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Intervene

You can intervene here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Communist Croat gang for POV warrior user DIREKTOR. Regards.--Miranovic (talk) 16:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

DIREKTOR's many violations

User:DIREKTOR is a notorious POV warrior and you can request Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations against him because he is suspected sock of user:No.13 and user:AlasdairGreen27. His negationism of ethnic cleansing against Italians in Istria and Dalmatia is political agenda

insisto per un tuo intervento qui: en:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Incipient edit war at Josip Broz Tito; sei ancora in tempo ma affrettati prima che il caso sia chiuso: più siamo, meglio è ossia l'unione fà la forza! AlasdairGreen27 è stato bloccato per 72 ore ma DIREKTOR ancora no; queste utenze vandalizzano pure foibe massacres, Istrian exodus, ecc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaraffo (talk • contribs) 18:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)