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Maatsuyker

Hi SatuSuro, I replied to your note here at first but then moved it back to my talk page because I thought it made more sense there. Hope I am not being too confusing! :-)
Phaedrus86 22:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Archives

Hi, when archiving your talk page, can you please start the archive names with "User talk:" rather than "Talk:"? The "Talk" namespace is intended for article discussion rather than user messages – at the moment, the naming of your archives gives the impression that they relate to discussion of the non-existent article Vcxlor. Using the "User talk" namespace puts your archives in a subpage of this page. Thanks – Gurch 16:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

A similar thing applies to Vcxlor: Useful Info – currently, because it doesn't begin with "User:", it's sitting in the main article namespace. As such, it actually qualifies for speedy deletion (since it's not an encyclopediaic article), and while I'm not going to delete it, I can't guarantee another administrator won't. Also, it could be mistaken for an article by an inexperienced user (Special:Random might bring it up, for example). I recommend moving it to User:Vcxlor/Useful Info. Thanks again – Gurch 16:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

SatuSuro wrote:

Ooops! Embarrassed!! Thank you for your info re the same SatuSuro 00:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC) aka Vcxlor

No problem. If you like, I'll go ahead and move the archives for you (and correct incoming links where necessary). Is this OK? – Gurch 10:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've moved Vcxlor: Useful Info and 11 archive pages, deleted the redirects that were created, and updated all incoming links. I think that's all – Gurch 13:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Deadcow

There's not much I can do until we've run through the warnings. I gave a test3. I'll watch the account for the next hour or so. Snottygobble 01:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Msa Garratts

Hi,

The idea about an article is a good one, but unfortunately you've started out with an error. That is understandable as the subject is complex.

The WAGR first imported the M class Garratts, in 1911. These are very important locos, because they are the third class of Garratt to be built, and the first "main line" Garratt, showing the potential as a heavy freight hauler. They were followed up in 1912 by the Ms class, only difference being the Ms class were superheated. So they were also the first class of Garratts to be the subject of a repeat order. Both classes were built by Beyer-Peacock.

The Msa class were constructed in 1930 by the WAGR in their own workshops. Apparently a copy of the Ms class, they did seem to have some cosmetic differences.

The story does not end there, but moves to Victoria. The VR G class apparently is copied from the Ms class, the major difference is the frames moved outside so as to accomidate the reduced gauge. Outside framed Garratts are very rare, even in the smaller gauges. But wait there is more (no, not steak knives!). The design was used again, for the Australian Portland Cement's 3'6" line near Geelong, the first loco being supplied in 1936 and the second in 1939. The boiler from one of these locos is used on the restored G42.

So in conclusion the design was constructed over a period of 28 years, used on three railway, on two gauges and built by two manufacturers, with, if I've added it up correctly, 27 locos constructed.

Personally I think the article should cover the history of the design, and include all the varients. Some work would be required to hunt down variations, though. So yes, I think it does deserve an article.

Please feel free to use the above if you wish.

Cheers,

Michael.

Emus and stuff

Hi, you messages are a bit cryptic :) I will add a mention of the emu journal to the emu article soon. They released a very nice book about the journal a few years ago. I haven't heard of those artists, neither get a mention in any sources I have looked at.--Peta 13:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Did they do botanical illustrations - if they did it might be a bit easier to get some information on them?--Peta 13:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It's what they are using now, see this.--Peta 00:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Eliza

Actually, Mount Eliza is another example of our geographical naming problems. Did you know there are three Mount Elizas in Western Australia? Count them: 1, 2, 3! But that's not all, folks. There are also four Mount Elizas in Victoria, five if you count the town named Mount Eliza. Plus one in the Northern Territory, one in Queensland, one in Tasmania, one in the ACT and one in New South Wales. Ridiculous, isn't it? Snottygobble 01:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Coalface

v. intersting being at it when the giants are creating :) SatuSuro 01:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

You lost me. Snottygobble 01:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Contact

Hi SatuSuro - sure, you can contact me via my email link (to the left when viewing my User page), or you can sometimes find me in #wikipedia on IRC (irc.freenode.net is the server). I'm a bit tied up over the next few days but I'll try to respond as soon as I can! -- Chuq 04:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Forrest Place

Hi! Thanks for adding more information to this article. Would you be able to provide a reference for your information? Thanks, --Ali K 07:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with your comments on Ali K's page. A template might be a good place to start, but alas, I also have little time or inclination to get too involved at the mo'. I will give it some thought though (and knowing my obsessive tendencies, I'll put something up at some point). Regards -- I@n ≡ talk 14:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

It's like a 3-way edit conflict around here :P. I have added your original comment to the Project's Talk page. Regards, --Ali K 14:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I had written a very nice comment to you, quite lengthy too, asking if I could post it there, but *someone* seemed to edit conflict me. Anyway, hopefully, we will see the mess that exists being cleaned up. Regards, --Ali K 14:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree, but I think the original plan was just to get the articles there. Then again, better to have consistency than a mess. --Ali K 14:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi guys. I replied on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Perth *someone* ;-) -- I@n ≡ talk 15:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't calling you anal BTW, just a general warning ;) (although, rereading it I can see you might think I did - my apologies). I confess to knowing nothing about Padbury, other than a Walter Padbury [1] -- I@n ≡ talk 15:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Well I just realised that Peta wrote an article on him at Walter Padbury. His business partner was Sir William Thorley [2] -- I@n ≡ talk 15:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Leake

Don't forget Sir Luke who I thought was one of the hungry ones. -- I@n ≡ talk 14:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Dictionary of Western Australians

Thats a good idea for an article. I'll have a look at it later in the week if you like. -- I@n ≡ talk 05:06, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Updated. Yesterday I happened to find a signed copy (by Rica herself) of the Bicentennial A-C volume in my Dad's bookshelf. All this time and I didn't even know he had it. It's mine now though! -- I@n ≡ talk 16:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on that. I've nominated it as a Did you know? article and named you as co-nom. I hope you don't mind. We'll see how it goes in a few days time. -- I@n ≡ talk 03:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Perth Radio

• Thanks - hey thanks for your comment on my talk page. I'm reluctant to remove whats there because I'm not sure that I can add a lot more at this time. But I may add it to my 'to do' list. Cheers. Rob 09:48, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

West coast and East coast

Have a look at them now. Grutness...wha? 08:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Rottnest

I know the feeling of too many forks - that is fine, I 'll see if I can do some work myself. It just seemed a bit abandoned and potentially not going anywhere.--A Y Arktos\^talk 01:32, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Sub-cat for resources

That's a good idea, but probably inappropriate as a sub-category in the article space. Perhaps a sub-page in the Project area. For want of a better place, I'd suggest Wikipedia:WikiProject Perth -- I@n ≡ talk 02:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Challenge Bank

I thought it best to reply here rather than email.

I did think about the Challenge Bank thing quite hard and in the end deliberately left it out for three reasons:

1. I couldn't find a spot to discuss it in the article that didn't seem like it was a plug
2. This is an encyclopaedia and no matter how noble they were in their sponsorship, you have to ask 'does sponsorship and financing really have anything to do with the subject?' I know I did mention government funding but I think that that's somehow different. The books' prefaces all discuss sponsorship at great length I know, but they are coming from a different standpoint where they are obliged to acknowledge their sponsors
3. Challenge is now no longer with us anyway so what's the point?

Re: bolding, I quite like it but wouldn't object too strongly if it was removed. It was undbolded previously and just seemed a bit washed out. I@n ≡ talk 09:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Wise

Heard of them only but know nothing about them. Too much else on my plate at the moment I'm afraid. -- I@n ≡ talk 13:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Tassie State Route Markers.

Thank You. I am trying to standardise the appearence of them judging from what is around online, so any help would be greatly appreciated. SVGs and my templates are very easy to modify, so just notify me when you can find an example of one and I will change them over ASAP. I know thats what they look like in Victoria, South Australia & Queensland, so I presumed Tasmania was the same. =) - Boochan 14:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Tassie rail cat

Hi there. Thanks for that. I have been looking at the other Aussie railway articles. Probably better to leave them for now. I think Tassie needs its own "Rail transport in Tasmania" article first. --Lholden 21:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Acronym

You know, I hadn't noticed that you'd used "DCE" until you mentioned it just then. I just assumed that I had switched it around in my head. Cool, now I can blame you.

No big deal. I used AWB, which makes this kind of thing pretty easy. It's not a bot — you have to manually save the edits — but at least it is semi-automated. It automatically generated a set of articles from the "what links here" of Department of Conservation and Land Management, automatically executed the find-and-replace for "Department of Conservation and Land Management" -> "Department of Environment and Conservation" and "CALM" -> "DCE" -> "DEC", and automatically ignored the articles where no find-and-replace was executed. All I had to do was check each article to make sure it was doing something sensible, then press the save button. It's an easy, low pressure kind of job to do in the background when you're busy with other things. I'll think I'll start using AWB a bit more often. Snottygobble 03:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 20 July, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dictionary of Western Australians, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Blnguyen | rant-line 04:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Jacques Félix Emmanuel Hamelin

I have no idea if the diacritic is correct or not, but there's nothing that can't be changed later. I think the best thing to do at this stage is to wait for the translators (who presumably would know better than you or I - certainly me anyway) to offer their two centimes worth. -- I@n 06:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Heheh my franglais is as bad as my nedderlands!  :) SatuSuro 12:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Slack me

I slack with emails normally just get junkie type so only check once or twice a week, I responded via email. I going for a walk thru guildford tonight I'll get picts and have a look ok Gnangarra

no problems with darlington, any other articles you want me to review just drop a note. Had a very nice pea soup at Alfreds tonight perfect weather cold and raining with a gentle breeze. Gnangarra 14:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Imogiri

You're welcome. The page still needs a lot of work. We also need to make stubs on all those rulers of Jogja and Solo; I linked them all because they are notable enough to deserve a page but they need to be made before some editor comes along and de-links them all. I don't actually know much about any of them and can't read Indonesian well enough to translate the pages there. Rigadoun 16:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't use an e-mail off of Wikipedia, sorry. Rigadoun 16:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Supersemar

Thanks for taking the time and trouble to add the Indonesian History category to the Supersemar page. Davidelit 16:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• I have the very strong image of my ancient compaq portable in Yogya in 95 and 96 and the near impossibility of ever getting a line if i was able!!! SatuSuro 16:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: Cape Sorell Waverider Buoy

I've nominated the article Cape Sorell Waverider Buoy for deletion under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Cape Sorell Waverider Buoy satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. I have explained why in the nomination space (see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cape Sorell Waverider Buoy. Don't forget to add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of each of your comments to sign them. You are free to edit the content of Cape Sorell Waverider Buoy during the discussion, but please do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top). Doing so will not end the discussion. —Hanuman Das 16:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

You can thank yourself for the save of the content. I don't think bouys are notable, however they may be worthy of inclusion in a larger article as you've gone ahead and done. I'm happy to do my part to see encyclopedic content kept. Those deletionists are like a mob pack sometimes. :) -- Longhair 05:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I do try to clean up after myself. :-) —Hanuman Das 05:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Vcxlor, about the buoy, there are many articles it could go in - Waverider buoys, Climate of Tasmania, Cape Sorell, Tasmania - but unless the buoy itself is particularly notable, probably not an article by itself! -- Chuq 06:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

No problems. I have a question however. What exactly is a Waverider buoy? We have bouys marking shipping channels here in Corio Bay near where I live. Same thing? -- Longhair 07:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

No waveriders are quite different, and much more hi-tech, see http://www.epa.qld.gov.au/environmental_management/coast_and_oceans/waves_and_storm_tides/wave_monitoring/waverider_buoys/

and having looked into the subject, the Cape Sorrell article will be re-submitted later, as there are aspects of this that do make it notable, and the objections of the Afd can be easily responded to, once it is re-written. :) SatuSuro 07:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, I agree that a general article on Waverider buoys in certainly called for and might even mention the most important ones. The redirect could then be pointed at the new article. Also an article on the Climate of Tasmania or Tasmanian navigation or something. Best of luck to you on these. —Hanuman Das 12:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Cafe Wha?

No, no connction - didn't know about that. Any connection with the master of the upside-down guitar is welcome, though :) Grutness...wha? 09:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

A NZ-specific google-search throws up a couple of possibilities: [3]. Weirdly, I don't know much about such things myself - I say weirdly because I live only 400 metres from one of NZ's top surfing beaches, so I should at least know something about how the waves are checked! Grutness...wha? 09:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

hills person

Us mere flatlanders can only gawk up in awe at hills 8).

The box was taken off another perth burb page its slowly being added to them all, I just put there, I was coming back to fix the details if you didnt get in first. Yep the information can be adjusted as necessary including colours which should be what ever base colour Mundaring uses plus the major contrast colour, like for Cannington, Western Australia Gnangarra 13:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree that bush fires in general aren't overly note worthy for the article, but I this one had a significant impact on the burb, fairly extensive damage to a significant number notiable properties. I'll check out the battye records next time I'm in there see what I can find. Gnangarra 15:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I just using the box as created for all perth burbs take it off, modify it how ever you want it not fussed about them I'm just following a format that others had already discussed, agreed upon and are using, I believe most SOR burbs and stirling city burbs already have. Gnangarra 03:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Barron Gorge Hydroelectric Power Plant

Was that the one you were talking about. No problem. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

it's OK. Someone put a bunch of odd categories on Canadian Hydro plants. I was sorting them when I noticed that there were a lot of Australian ones and put them into their own category. It makes a change from the usual airports that I work on. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Lake names

Well I'll be buggered, but you're right. Category:Lakes of Western Australia would prove I was wrong. I think I'll revert my most recent changes therefore. -- I@n 01:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Category:Rivers of Western Australia uses a different standard for some reason. That was where I was getting mixed up. Ah well. -- I@n 01:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Sticking to a standard (even if we have two!) should be rule#1. Then, add qualifiers only when we need to differentiate. -- I@n 02:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Ratings (rail?)

If you have a dispute with ratings, the best place to take it up is on the disputes page. That way, the rating will be peer reviewed, and much faster than putting comments on the talk pages (what did you mean by arts?). It's the best we can do about the subjectivism, sorry. --Iorek85 05:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, should've got that. :) --Iorek85 09:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Java

Heheh you may well ask for refs, try almost the whole Indonesian project matey, and you'll be all day putting "This article needs refs..." Ask me I did post grad work in Java, and I can tell you its like books dont exist or the external links are ads :) SatuSuro 00:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe so, but if you don't ask you never get :-) I'm only highlighting the GA and FA requirements, as to me it looks like a well written article. I only seem to have time these days for minor edits but I've bookmarked it in my own growing directory of refs needed... Cheers SeanMack 15:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Heh, mebbe just what I need to take my mind off procrastinating real life things again...

lol, I'll content myself for now with finding a ref for that article - if I fall asleep at my 10th page of google hits so be it!

• Hmmm, what a nightmare to find referencable details on Java! Ah well, it killed a few hours. Cheers. SeanMack 16:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Hakea

hakea bucculenta lookg realy nice at the moment. Gnangarra 16:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Jacques Félix Emmanuel Hamelin

Monsieur Hamelin sure was a busy man - no? -- I@n 02:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:memory

I'm working hard on resolving the problem, or was that disolving hic! DID you know that EMU beer is sold in victoria as a botique brand. Mind you it was nice to find a decent drop while on exile for two years. Gnangarra 06:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

see you got lifstyle out the article, i hit sport for six created an article with the stuff but..., next target culture and demographics.

Geographic names

I added a suggestion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian places in response to our discussions earlier this week. -- I@n 13:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Rogue waves and waverider buoys

Did you see the results of my search on this topic on my talk page?

Re: Kalgoorlie, Western Australia

Just noticed this in the wp oz creeping list - and noticed an atrocious comment about being the largest city in the world from a sp, just wondering what youd do? SatuSuro 01:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure I see the problem with it. Snottygobble 01:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Put in by a troublesome sockpuppet, I cannot believe that Kal city actually exists within the shire boundary as opposed to the city having limits lot less than that - he also put it in a list of the largest cities by space in the world - it feels like other troublesome bits put in when it still active  :) Oh well, if I can find a ref otherwise I'll put it in myself - but when it comes to .... like that i feel its worth checking with someone else first... :) SatuSuro 01:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Which I did - both somebody at Kalgoorlie library, and also at Dept Of Local Government - the claim is ----, just because the name of an LGA may call it something, does not thereby make that whole LGA something - metro perth has good examples of this - the actual townsite/locality of Kal Boulder is not what is claimed to be. I used to work for an LG, as well as for a short time for the Dept itself. The entry is ---- and I am reverting it! SatuSuro 01:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Nicely done. I like to see these issues settled by research instead of argument. I'd heard that factoid a number of times, so its good to see it killed off. It's a funny thing, isn't it?: The way LGAs use "Town of" and "City of" even though they're not towns or cities. e.g. the "Town of Cambridge" is gazetted as an "Administrative Division", not as a "Town". Probably the "City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder" is the largest LGA in the world, but that certainly doesn't make "Kalgoorlie" the largest city. Snottygobble 01:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the IP's contributions, I don't think it is FactoidKiller, even if it did reinstate one of FactoidKiller's earlier edits. Snottygobble 02:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

And you. Snottygobble 02:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)