Jannajoos

Nomination of Deborah Smith Ford for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Deborah Smith Ford is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deborah Smith Ford until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. JesseRafe (talk) 13:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello again, I see that users are allowed to edit after all, but only during a discussion. Will I be notified when any of this will happen, as I won't be available all the time this week but didn't want anyone to think I was disregarding what you had to say. Sorry for all this causing you extra work. If/when Ford is allowed to continue to be on Wiki is there a way I, or someone, can submit her information before it is published in hopes of avoiding future mistakes? Either way, looking forward to the results in all categories and getting this resolved. Thank you.Jannajoos (talk) 13:47, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, discussion sounds good, but I've been making comments to confirm where I stand in regard to Deborah Smith Ford, as I'm afraid most of all this is due to my using the wrong term (client) when she is not one. Thank you for the opportunity. Please don't let my mistake (saying Ford is a client, she can't be, she doesn't qualify) against her or losing her Wiki page. IF someone else needs to rep her and her page that is okay with me.Jannajoos (talk) 20:48, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you on that. I have responded to all the other areas as well. I don't think I missed any.Jannajoos (talk) 19:34, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Question, so if it is decided that any agent or representative of Ford's is not allowed to submit her to Wikipedia, will someone let us know who is? Thank you. We asked that question in the past, but apparently we asked the incorrect question or asked the wrong person/department. I'm just trying to do the right thing here, and I know you are too.Jannajoos (talk) 19:37, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Jannajoos. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Deborah Smith Ford, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
• disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:Spam);
• do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. JesseRafe (talk) 13:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC) I do not get paid. Ford is not a client. I have explained in other areas as well. Sorry I stirred all this up from writing a wrong term (client vs talent). She is NOT my client. NO money is exchanged. Thank you.Jannajoos (talk) 20:24, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I misspoke saying Ford is a client. I'm her agent in another state from where she lives and am trying to help. Apparently others who have tried to help her submit to Wikipedia in years past had difficulties as well. I can only speak for myself, but this is kind of unchartered territory. I am trying to help the best I can. I apologize for both of us giving you extra work to do and understand fully if my talent (the proper term) does not qualify to be on Wiki. Please let me know. Since this morning I have been reading additional Wiki areas that you have provided. I have also removed a lot from her page and just added a little more. Thank you for your patience.

Yes, I will wait and edit anymore. I guess I interpreted some of the comments incorrectly.Jannajoos (talk) 19:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I read where I can disclose my connection to Ford. I am her talent agent. Sorry on not reading everything earlier. I have been busy with the photo copyright info, the photographers and my other work as an agent, but no excuses.Jannajoos (talk) 19:33, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

In my talent's defense we both thought the type of person NOT to rep a talent to be submitted to Wiki was a close friend or family member. Ford is used to such people like myself to rep her in many ways, and apparently we were wrong thinking I could rep her in this way. If you don't mind, if you decide that she can "come on board," but I won't be allowed to rep her, let us know who can. Thank you.Jannajoos (talk) 19:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

November 2019

You still have not responded or taken action to the inquiry regarding your appearance as an undisclosed paid editor. If you make any additional edits without complying you may be blocked from editing. Your most recent edit identified the subject of the article as your client. You have a clear conflict of interest (as above) and your edits to pages about your clients have to be requested on the talk page per the links above and here. Thanks. JesseRafe (talk) 16:16, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

It just hit me that there has been no further movement on the response concerning photo(s) submissions yet (from my end), and of course there won't be (if that's okay) until it's known what's happening in the area of page submission. IF I am to respond at a different area concerning that (waiting to submit photo) could someone let me know. Sorry again. At my end there has been communication to photographers, and they know about submitting the proper form. That form was emailed from a Wiki rep and will hopefully be used after all this other is taken care of. SincerelyJannajoos (talk)

I respond again as wondering how I can prove what I say, that Ford is not a client but rather a talent. Actually she doesn't qualify as a client of mine. I guess you can ask Ford herself or any of her other agents if this is so. I know she has a publicist as well.Jannajoos (talk) 20:44, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I've decided to write up here in case below is not seen, as someone is still thinking I'm a paid employee of Ford's. I am not. I misspoke saying client. I do have clients. Ford is not one. Ford is one of my talents. I pay her if or when she gets gigs. I also represent her in what she does, and we thought her being on Wikipedia would be a good idea. I agreed, as I feel she has a lot to represent. She has experienced quite a bit in many areas of the entertainment world. After all she is not a youngster, and she has had time for such experiences. IF someone thinks Ford has nothing to offer, no problem, but please let us know. IF someone thinks I should not be representing her here then please let us know that too. Thank you if you could suggest who could rep her instead. If not, no problem. But this back and forth is energy none of us need to waste, correct? My apologies for wasting yours. Eager to find out what we do next. Sincere thanks.Jannajoos (talk) 20:15, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I just responded. Maybe I'm not responding in the correct area, sorry. Either way, I have removed a lot from Ford's page and have just begun adding back some more but will wait to hear how that goes.

You may be blocked from editing without further warning if you make any further edits without responding to the inquiry you received regarding undisclosed paid editing. Maybe you misunderstood the warnings above.... You need to STOP EDITING your client's page! You will be blocked if you edit again, you are a paid editor with an obvious conflict of interest for your client and you need to follow the protocol linked above. Not only is your client's page in serious likelihood of being deleted, but you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia entirely (and forever) if you continue to ignore these warnings. JesseRafe (talk) 15:19, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, yes have read what you shared. I will stop editing. She is not my client as I mistakenly said, she is one of my many talent. I am her agent. Thank you.Jannajoos (talk) 19:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

To clarify I am NOT a paid editor nor a paid agent. I misspoke a while back saying she was my client. I do have clients, but Ford is not one of them. There is a difference between client and talent. I use both words every day quite often, as I work with both daily. Unfortunately I used the wrong term when writing in the recent past. Thank you for bringing it to my attention though. I'm writing this after seeing some of what was written above. Again, I am not a paid editor, and she is NOT my client. Thank you.Jannajoos (talk) 20:08, 4 November 2019 (UTC)