User talk:J Milburn/archive2

This is an archive of past discussions. Please do not edit it, it is for reference purposes only. If you wish to continue a discussion here, please do so on my talk page.

Askam and Ireleth

Hi, just a note to let you know I had a quick read of the Askam and Ireleth article per your nomination for it to achieve GA status.

The article looks good, reads smoothly and is very well referenced - (which is refreshing)! I made a couple of minor adjustments to the article however to aid in its nom process.

I don't think this article would fail GA, but I do have some suggestions (which please understand are my opinion only!), which I think would aid the article further:

• I'd like to see the opening line to say "Askam and Ireleth is a civil parish made up/consisting of two villages in the county of Cumbria, in northern England." - I think this helps the reader understand the logic then of having these places as a singular article.

• I also think mentions of the local government reforms are more suited for another section (such as a geo-administrative or civic history section) rather than the lead.

• "The unique nature of the wide River Duddon estuary and surrounding countryside has made the area a haven for wildlife." - I imagine this is true, but may need a slight tinkering to sound a little less grandiose. It may also be more appropriate to move this into the article prose and replace with something more reflective of the settlement itself.

• (From the Sport section) - "Thought to be formed in 1879" is designated as needing a source - the article (sadly) cannot pass until one is found, or the statement is neutralised.

I hope you find this feedback helpful. If you are inclined to make the changes I'd be happy to pass the article ASAP. I should add I found the article particularly interesting as I have also nommed a settlement/civil parish with a double name - Shaw and Crompton. I'd be grateful if you would take some time to read through and give feedback/use ideas as appropriate. Best of luck, Jhamez84 12:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for the swift reply! Great to see you made the changes to the article I suggested!

The reviewing process normally takes a week or so (depending on the length of the queue), but given I nommed an article some time ago, I have been keeping a close on the list - which is how I came across this article.

Assuming you have contributed to this article significantly for a while, I must congratulate you on it. I'm going to do a more rigorous review of the article (for minor things, grammatical redundancies etc), and then should imagine I can pass this article! Great work! Jhamez84 16:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

References...

I just created the page Outer Comstock about my neighborhood; c.f. your tag, I'm wondering what kind of references I would use, as it mostly came from my head. Maybe a reference to the map of neighborhoods I found on the Syracuse wiki page...and then to Mapquest for showing which streets the boundaries corresponded to? Mana Excalibur 22:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

-I'll look into the ideas you gave me, thanks! Mana Excalibur 22:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Carmen Rasmusen's Article

Hey, What's Up!! What kind of cleanup are you talking about? I really like Carmen and i Want to let her article as good as her.

Userspace article

OK, fixed. I simply forgot to put the forward slash in the title as I was dealing with a lot of copy and paste material. Thanks. --Folantin 15:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Types of volcanic eruptions

Thanks for the advice. sorry, i'm kinda new at this. i have shown where i got the info and i have added subtitles.

Moon Medallion

Excuse me, but I see no reason to nominate this specific page for deletion, along with the Red Eye page. In my opinion, they look descriptive and quite detailed. Eve if they are not, they should be considered a stub, not an article for deletion. Uioh 20:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry that I left my message on you user page. I was unaware of it at the time and thought that was your talk page. Uioh 22:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Strait Hits

Yeah I know I was making the album box after that. it's like the rest of the discography now. thanks

Dustinwayne 23:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I just posted the link at the bottom of the album page. Dustinwayne 23:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Unreferenced tag

Geez, you have a rather short trigger finger on the unreferenced tag! I'm in the middle of splitting an article that is too long, and it will take a few edits to duplicate the sources section etc. Have some patience.... Andrwsc 23:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Answered. J Milburn 16:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

No worries, I was just a bit annoyed. Thanks for letting me vent a bit. I have been bitten before by folks on new page patrol who have put legitimate articles and templates up for speedy deletion etc. mere seconds, if not minutes, after they first appear. (This includes several that have been tagged as stubs with the first revision, but put up for deletion because they were short on content!) I understand the need to weed out bad articles soon after they appear, but a bit of good faith should be applied here. I'm not the only editor who likes to save some work in progress to get things started. I can't always work on an article offline to make them perfect before the first save. Andrwsc 17:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Combat Logistics Battalion 2

Please give me some time to flesh out this article. I wanted to get something started so that others may assist. The page was tagged with a stub and further will be added Rob110178 00:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Answered. J Milburn 16:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance in this matter. I cannot remove a speedy from an article I created otherwise I would have. Just be sure to check to see if its been tagged properly in the future. I tend to make numerous new pages and tag them with the appropriate stub template just to get them started. If I get the article out, people will know to update it as you can see with this page. Rob110178 16:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Album Source

The Source of the information for the album was having it in my hand and reading the booklet. Perhaps I was mistaken for not stating that. How should I reference it so as to not get tagged again? I don't want to seem pompous declaring every disc I have that others do not (too in their face don't you think?)I have a great many discs in my library that I would like to contribute in some small way. There are many orphan pages that I can help. Thanks. Solonyc 06:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Answered. J Milburn 16:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I have received your answer but I am still troubled. In general I do not feel that searching for a link to a review is a good idea for many reviews have their facts wrong or are incomplete. Also some of the bands I deal with are rather obscure and have no homepages of their own. I feel that in both cases this would be repetitive and actually dishonest since I have the disc in front of me. If I had taken (or in the future take) the information from a website I will of course link to the source. I will be seeking advice from others on this matter on how to continue, if I want to continue. I am now wondering if it is worth the time and effort I was planning to put into this endeavor. Solonyc 19:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Answered. J Milburn 20:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

With respect, I disagree. Solonyc 21:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Answered, with much puzzlement. J Milburn 22:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Since you asked I disagree that it improves the page. I actually think it can take away from it. If I wanted to be very thorough (or snarky) I could cite the booklet, my basement, wall shelf and row. It is kind of like stating "the Earth is round" and then listing a reference to NASA and the Hubble telescope. To me it is a reasonable assumption that if there isn't a link cited that the info came from his/her knowledge of a disc in the persons possession. I would not recommend that for every subject on here but this might be an exception. In the same way I can state on a page "I have a black car" without sourcing my garage. I do not expect people to lie or make things up on something so easily verified and corrected, perhaps I am naive. I agree with you that there are many facts that should be sourced (sales and awards, reviews, etc...) but there are some pages that I have seen where there are so many bookmarks on a page all you see are dots of blue when you read them. Over-sourcing can be a deficit too. The pages I have made are really basic starting points that I hope to expand on in the future. There will be more references I hope. I seem to have hundreds of discs I can add or edit here. As to other points you brought up many times it is hard to know who writes the booklets if they aren't credited. Also I did not see a reference to this specific instance of sourcing the disc in the page you directed me to other than for track length which I don't even use the booklet for as my catalog program does that for me. Perhaps I missed the reference.

I am sorry to belabor the point but I am new here and I'd like to not be singled out. I do have strong opinions as far as music is concerned. I have other thoughts on other related subjects but I will spare everyone that now. Cheers Solonyc 23:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps Solonyc can be persuaded to add <ref>Album X, CD liner.</ref> to the edits he makes? Xiner (talk, email) 00:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Though we disagree on this point I do respect you knowledge and point of view and would not call your opinions "ridiculous". I think it best we leave it here. I will do no more harm. Solonyc 01:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

NPWatcher approval

You've been approved to use NPWatcher. Please give me any feature requests or bugs. I'm also happy to help if you have any problems running the program, or any questions :). Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if I've made a new release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Finally, enjoy! Martinp23 22:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the dealy in approvals! Martinp23 22:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

askin a couple q's

hello. i recently read your post on the HIM page (and as someone who works on that page i thank you for HOPEFULY quelling the arugment) and i just wanted to ask you if you had any sugestions to help improve our page? If you would respond on my talk page i would be verry greatful. thanks and i look forward to your response.Razor romance 13:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

thanks for your sugestions and will do if i need some help. Razor romance 15:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Admin?

Kamope · talk · contributions 22:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Celestiial

Hi. Thanks for adding the link straight to the section on funeral doom - I wasn't aware how one could do that. Although in retrospect it is blindingly obvious! --Tenrapid 11:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Disease lists

I'm not sure if this is where I need to post this, however, I'm new to wikipedia and still learning. In any case, thanks for your comments and I will go back and modify my posts. Somanypeople 17:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Dobro Pole

Hi, I was just taking a break - shower - I am now continuing work on this article, thanks for asking though, I'm still amazed how fast I got messaged about this :P

Celestiial

Per your request, I restored the article. I still think that the article, which consisted in its entirety of the following, was speediable:

Celestiial is a funeral doom metal band from Minnesota. Tanner Anderson is the sole member and is responsible for all instruments and vocals.

...but you do seem to have found sources on the talk page. I would sure appreciate your adding the sources to the article and expanding the article (based on the sources). Thanks, NawlinWiki 21:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Image:Internet map 1024.jpg

I really can't take total credit for that image's creation; I merely took the raw graph data that an existing project generated, made some modifications to the renderer source code, and did some graphical touchup. I really don't remember how long it took to generate since I was simultaneously working on some software to collect my own data for similar purposes. -- mattb @ 2007-01-21T03:45Z

Bellotti Cymbals...deletion is a bit harsh, no ?

Mr. Milburn, it is with a bit of regret that I see you deleted this new article. I have penned a number of articles on Wikipedia of similar fashion that have proved quite helpful to other musicians and instrument historians/collectors. These articles have been here for quite a while and have been referenced and linked to quite often. While I understand your comments about the rules/definitions regarding OR, and I appreciate that you provided me with the link to that area; I do feel that the article does not in fact violate any of those rules/guidelines. As I stated in my article's "talk" area, everything I had written is verifiable and based on fact and not speculation. People in the fields of music, vintage instruments and musical collectors have used other similar articles I have written here (4 others over the past 2 years, as a matter of fact) with great success, and neither their content nor style were any different than the article you chose to repeatedly delete today. Reading thru some other communications on your talk page here, above, I do note that you have in fact, in the past, written to some authors and commented to them about referencing other sources and suggested to them that they do so...without having deleted their articles outright. I would have appreciated a similarly gracious handling of the situation. Some simple feedback, as opposed to a very speedy deletion within hours of the article's creation, would perhaps have been a much more measured and appropriate response. In my subsequent re-writing of this article, I have now included a few references from published books and articles which make mention of these cymbals; so it is my hope that referring to published sources will put this matter to rest. With due respect, if it is your intent to delete again, then please just let me know, prior to you doing it. In such an instance where it would be your intent to delete yet again, I would then appreciate it if you would provide me with another Wiki contact here (in a position above yours) to re-evaluate the situation; since in my opinion, now that the article has been revised to include published sources, the issue has been resolved. Thank you. Pajaro4 06:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Request for Adminship

It is my regretful task to inform you that I have closed your request for adminship early as unlikely to achieve consensus. Please do not be discouraged; a number of users have had their first RfA end without consensus, but have been promoted overwhelmingly in a later request. Please continue to make outstanding contributions to Wikipedia, and consider requesting adminship again in the future. You may find Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship helpful in deciding when to consider running again. If I can be of any help to you, please do not hesitate to ask. Essjay (Talk) 07:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

cymbals again...

Mr. Milburn, thanks for the reply. A few comments I have. First off, regarding the Pasha article, please note that it has obviously already come under review and has had suggestions posted on how to further wikifi it...so do you feel it necessary that you take it upon yourself to nominate it for speedy deletion at this point, given that it already has been looked over by other wiki members who have posted some relevant and helpful commentary/suggestion? Regarding Bellotti....Bellotti does, in fact, google results regarding cymbals. Regarding noteworthiness/notability, please keep in mind that this is a small independent cymbal artisan which produced a limited number of works. Therefore, to make/expect a small artisan have to meet the notability requirements of a company or corporation as described on this website is inappropriate. Some cymbal makers are corporations, others are/were small workshops/proprietorships. It does not seem to contradict the notibility requirements of an individual person, as again, the works (cymbals) have been written about in publications as noted in my article; and described in such as rare cymbals. If there are other notability standards particularly for an artisan, please direct me to that page so I may review. As per your request, I shall edit the articles once again per your suggestions, within the next 24 hours. If it still does not meet with your approval, please be gracious enough to tell me how I can request the input of an administrator or the like. I have also reviewed the "criteria for speedy deletion" page, and feel that this particular article, as it is now developing, does not meet the criteria set forth there (either general criteria or article criteria) for such a deletion. Once again, if you are at odds with this, please direct me as to the proper path to take to resolve this thru the proper channels, be it thru an administrator or third party or rfc or whatever. Thanks again for your time.Pajaro4

cymbals update

Mr. Milburn, thank you for your latest reply. Just FYI, being one of the less experienced Wikipedia members here, I have enlisted the aid of some other, more experienced members (through the oversight dept. and elsewhere) to aid me in recomposing these articles so they may better comply with Wiki standards. Due to the fact that this requires some back-and-forth communications with a few individuals in very different timezones, it is likely that these revisions/rewrites may take several days or more to resolve. Undoubtedly, you and I both share the desire to produce a satisfactory result, so your patience and time is apprecaited. Thanks again. Pajaro4 18:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:AMA Requests for Assistance/Requests/January 2007/Pajaro4

Hi J Milburn! User:Pajaro4 has filed a request for assistance with the article Italian Bellotti Cymbals. He doesn't understand why the article was put up for speedy delete. I have put up a request for discussion on the talk page of the article. It would be helpful if you put your reasons for deletion on that talk page. I'm not saying at this stage if he is wrong or right. Simply that a dialogue would be helpful and appreciated. Regards. SilkTork 20:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. Thanks for your comments. Don't worry - this process is not about finger pointing or chastising anyone, so you needn't defend past actions. However, the process can be helpful in allowing people to reflect on their actions and such reflection may give guidance to future actions. I may make suggestions to you, but no more than that. I am not going to go through your history, but I will assume that an article on a topic with which you are not familiar is not one you would put up for speedy delete. I would assume you would have a certainty regards articles nominated for speedy delete. And in cases of doubt, either mark them for investigation, or nominate them for the more considered deletion process. If, however, you don't already do this, I would suggest you consider this approach in future. Meanwhile - I am still uncertain why the article in question was speedy deleted. That is not to say I think the article should remain, just that I would like to see reasons put forward on the talk page of the article so a discussion can arise as to the relative merits of the piece, and what we should do with it. I have proposed to the Music Project that they consider merging all the cymbal manufacturers articles into one meaningful article. Regards. SilkTork 08:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey J - I'm not asking you to justify yourself. I want to focus on the article. What I am interested in here is a clear discussion on the article itself so the original editor can get a genuine feel for the thinking process behind an article being deleted, and a genuine chance to explain why he thinks it should stay, with counter arguments. It may appear a lengthy process, but it is simply treating this case with a little dignity which he feels has been missing so far. My role is to set up the debate and to articulate a little on behalf of the editor - devil's advocate if you like. I am hoping the process itself will find a solution. I do not feel you have done anything wrong. However I will ask awkward questions in order that nothing is seen to be hidden or rushed. My own feeling is that the topic is fairly trivial and is best dealt with as part of a larger article on cymbal manufacturers. I have raised the issue on Wiki Music Project with a view to the possibility of several of those cymbal manufacturers articles being merged. Meanwhile, lets deal with the article as it stands now. SilkTork 21:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Ooops. I already mentioned the Wiki Music Project! SilkTork 21:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hoax ?

So why did you delete it  ?

it was all true

there were no lies.

you have insulted me, and my football club.

http://www.daltonjuniorfc.co.uk

if you bother to check background info you will that this is all true.

i request you either replae what you deleted or restore it.

or you will be hearing from me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shambodalton (talk • contribs) 18:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC).

Well done J Milburn and Kijog

Well done to you both on getting Askam and Ireleth to good article status. If you want to go for featured I'll certainly support you in developing it. The article is a good reflection on both your abilities. --Robdurbar 17:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

NPW Userbox

Fixed ;-) Happy Editing by Snowolf^(talk) on 16:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I also have changed a link from [[:Category:Wikipedian_new_page_patrollers|user]] to [[:Category:Wikipedians who use NPWatcher|user]]. Happy Editing by Snowolf^(talk) on 20:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

JGB (band)

Thanks for the note about the JGB (band) article. I've replied on my user talk page, so let's continue the discussion there. -- Mudwater 17:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I've replied on my talk page again. -- Mudwater 18:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Moving to the article's talk page is a good idea. Do you want to start the discussion there, or do you want me to? -- Mudwater 18:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Venetians

I usually edit loads of pages on dinosaurs, fungi, birds and other biological things. I was musing on 80s music for some reason. If you were listening to Australian music in the 1980s, then there would be no issue about proving notability. I'm not familiar with sources for Rock'n'roll material and there is nothing much online about the band. I might tag it with a please expand and hopefully some other aussie 30-something will get stuck into it. cheers Cas Liber 19:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Funny you should say that -just been out for a swim at Bondi Beach and was thinking just that while rolling around in the waves....Cas Liber 00:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Energycap

I nominated it because the parent page was also nominated for deletion. --Mhking 20:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

AfD template added to article with no corresponding entry in AfD

For Shweta there is no AfD in the database, and the case page cited in the template does not exist. Please read and understand the procedures in WP:AFD before adding the template to the page. Also, why not let the speedy deletion and prod processes work first? All of this is outlined in WP:AfD. Thanks, Jerry lavoie 00:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I did give you time... look at the page history. I removed the AfD template the first time, then it came back again later. Both times there was no corresponding entry at AfD. I did not assume you did not know how to use the tool correctly. I observed that you were not using the tool correctly. The procedure at AfD is extremely explicit, providing a step-by-step process of entering an AfD. It advises using Speedy (where appropriate) and Prod first. There is not history of these being used on the article, and nothing on the talk page (it does not exist). It instructs you to enter the AfD, create the talk page, then add the template to the article, then inform the article contributors. Jerry lavoie 01:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem on the multiple post. By the way I think you are doing a great thing to clean up articles like you are.... please do not take my feedback as an attack... You are a good wikipedian. Thanks. Jerry lavoie 01:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Aristarchus of Thessalonica

Trivial? Not at all! One gets lazy at times and needs a corrective. I was in a hurry to get rid of the red link at Aristarchus. Thanks for encouraging me to improve the article. Continue your vigilance, J Milburn! Wikipedia will be the better for it. -- Flauto Dolce 02:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: FA Cup Finals

I'm just creating separate articles from the FA Cup Final page, which has references. When you're adding {{unreferenced}} tags, could you please do it at the top of the article and not in a "Sources" section. - Dudesleeper · Talk 12:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Answered. J Milburn 12:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not a big deal. I just started the articles on two of Newcastle's FA Cup final wins, including goals from one J Milburn. Maybe focus your attentions away from the new-articles page and help the rest of us out? - Dudesleeper · Talk 12:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm hoping your J Milburn username is a coincidence, because that would be a great start to the day! - Dudesleeper · Talk 12:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Answered! J Milburn 13:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

RE: Brigstock Primary School candidate: Speedy deletion?

my [Brigstock Primary School] page appears to be a candidate for speedy deletion, but I have no idea why! The message I got said that I should talk to you. This page is not about a club, website or any of the other things that were listed on the message, it is about a school! Please tell me why this is happening to the page I made and how to stop it. Thanks.

Gustav1Koris 1:43pm GMT January, 28 2007

Answered. J Milburn 13:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Anetilas: speedy deletion?

With all due respect, I am trying for a while to make an article on this subject. It is really hard to make references when it comes to urban legends of this kind. It is not nonsence though, mind you. A lot of gamers in Greece are using this, if I may say, "Virtual Saint" as a protector. It is a fictional character, but has results in the gaming community. Thank you, and please, I would like some feedback on the talk-page of Anetilas, so we can work this thing out.

Answered. J Milburn 19:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion requests

I've noticed a couple speedy deletion requests from you I've had to decline. I appreciate you helping to find these bad articles, but even some obvious deletion cases don't qualify for speedy deletion. The best way to make sure articles qualify is to tag them with a criterion-specific deletion tag. The ones you will probably need the most are (full list at WP:CSD):

• {{db-a7}} for articles on people, groups / bands, companies, or websites that don't even explain the importance or significance of the topic.
• {{db-a1}} for articles that don't provide enough context (as opposed to content) to allow for expansion.
• {{db-a3}} for articles that contain nothing but external links and/or rephrasing of the title.
• {{db-g1}} for incoherent nonsense
• {{db-g11}} for blatant advertising
• {{db-g10}} for attack pages.

If an article doesn't fit into one of the CSD types, it may not be deletable under CSD. Particular examples are speculation, unverified articles, hoaxes, WP:NFT. Keep in mind that Wikipedia:Proposed deletion, unlike speedy deletion can be used for any bad article. Mangojuice^talk 19:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Answered. J Milburn 19:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

redirect to Stravaganza (series)

I think the redirect was appropriate - I just wanted to give the author a chance to clean it up or learn how to redirect. From the writing I assumed them to be a younger person. On their user page I indicated that a redirect had occurred so they would not be dismayed. Cheers Markco1 22:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy Valentines Day!

I wish you and your family have a wonderful Valentines Day!

Kamope · talk · contributions 00:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Come on now... how am I being abusive or offensive? If you feel that way I did not intend to make you feel abused and I am sorry. I find it offensive that apparently everyone thinks this band should be deleted and blatantly ignores any verifiability of their notability that I have displayed. I don't even really like this band and yet everyone treats me like I am a fanboy trying to get a non notable band on here. --E tac 00:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I apologize, but I have never really been part of an AFD before and I take offense that it seems people aren't even reading the page nd just voting delete. I am passonite about this article because I created it. You know it and I know it that there are plenty of bands that are less notable on wikipedia with absolutely nothing sourced nor anything really describing why the artist is notable, and I feel like this article is being unfairly singled out for reasons I can only speculate. I could go around tagging any band I don't know of that doesn't have any sources cited and get them up for deletion as well but I am not going to do that, at least not yet. --E tac 22:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Answered. J Milburn 22:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I already apologized to said user, and no I am not basing what I say on nothing, and what is wrong with discussing other articles? As a matter of fact you were the one who brought up the Voltaire article, all I did was merely point out that Eternal Decision is just as notable and well sourced, if not better. Maybe you feared somone would put your article up for deletion and thats why it became a different story and you all the sudden decided to "abstain". I have actually added more to the article, but I doubt you bothered to even read it, so stop saying I haven't done anything to prove that they are notable. Your comments are on my user page and the AfD page are a joke as are most of the other comments. Yeah thats not very nice to say what someone is saying is a joke is it, I wonder who recentley said that to me. Maybe you should think about that before you whine about who is being abusive and challenging.--E tac 21:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

No I was being totally serious and you aren't making any sense, you brought up your article and I said its sources arent verifiable. Yet you are trying to insult me here and I don't appreciate that. You make no sense and your logic is flawed.-- E tac 22:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

For one you claim the allmusic bio is a press release, noone said that. They said it sounds like a press release. That comment is rather irrelavent since it is not. Why don't you show me how your sources on the Voltaire are relevant and the ones on this article are not because maybe that would help me. Insteas you just crtiticise this article and you say my sources are irrelavent and your sources are not when you don't even explain why and that is why your logic is flawed. You even use the artists myspace as a source which wikipedia is against using.--E tac 22:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

And by the way YOU brought your article up and that is why I am discussing it so don't turn it around on me bringing up other articles and can you explain to me how you can have something on free servers saying the opposite? It is an interview with the band. YOu claim that myspace and the official site are irrelevant yet tthose are your primary sources for your article. The record company official page is no more relavent then the bands official page since it is biased as well. --E tac 22:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello J Milburn, this is also word-for word on E tac's page, I just wanted to clarify something: Yeah, just to clarify my comment about the Allmusic description of the band, I never said that I knew it was a press release. As a person who works with bands and booking, I know that when we send out descriptions of upcoming shows on our mailing list, the booking agent in question usually uses the band's press release to describe the band. So I've seen a lot of them. The language and style of what was on Allmusic sounded very similar to me, so I figured they might have done the same thing. But I certainly have nothing even approaching definitive evidence for that. I've chosen to remove myself completely from the debate regarding the article, but I wanted to make it clear that I didn't mean to mislead about the press release issue. Thanks, --Tractorkingsfan 02:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism on your user page

Your user page was vandalized and I reverted it. ●DanMS 01:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Sławomir Szmal

Here you are some references...Maybe I should call it external link...I don't know...greetings from PolandBartekos 23:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you are well-oriented in sources and references topic . Do you think it looks well for example in Edmund Twórz note ? I wrote this note using this book...I mean I took some informations about this player from this book.