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Black, Starr & Frost

Hi. I removed a fair chunk of info on this page as it was clearly promotional. I think the company is certainly notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia page, however, so encourage further efforts. I do suggest you should probably look at this page and a few other policies (e.g., supplying sources for everything which could be construed as 'positive' etc) and avoid using words like "legendary" in the future though! Cheers, Nikthestunned 10:16, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Nik, I believe I have removed everything you're talking about. Can you take a look and see if it meets the correct criteria? I also added more citation where I could find them. A lot of the info on this page is difficult to cite because it is information only held in the books of Black, Starr & Frost and not available on the internet because it's so old. I hope that we can still leave it in because it is very significant to the company's history. This is my first Wiki page, so I do want to make sure I get it right. Thanks! Ingrid Ivculbert (talk) 14:40, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Ingrid. Firstly, as you work for a PR firm for which this company is a client, you should no longer edit this page at all. See Wikipedia's Conflict of interest policy for more information. Secondly, information should only be added to the article is it HAS been reported in reliable sources independent of the company. Which is to say, all information must be sourced and not by 1) the company website, 2) the press releases issued by the company or 3) interviews with company personnel (there are some caveats to these but generally they are true). So as for what's there now, I'd say it needs to be heavily redacted... The whole timeline section needs to be pared down and properly sourced (especially where promotional), the 'notable clients' list is pure promo, some press release sources need removing. I will put some time into it at some point this week and we can go from there. One positive thing I can say is the company is notable enough and the article should remain! Let me know if you've any further questions. Nikthestunned 15:48, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again for your help. I will also go through more to address your comments above. I would very much appreciate if, though, if you could remove the "conflict of interest" because I am NOT getting paid to do this page. I am working on this independently of the PR agency for experience only in this type of writing. Thanks so much! Ivculbert (talk) 16:00, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

You work for a PR firm who lists this company as a client, you absolutely do have a 'close connection' with the subject - the tag is therefore appropriate I'm afraid. Cheers, Nikthestunned 16:19, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

OK - so what's the workarond since I started this process? How do we ever get that box removed? Ivculbert (talk) 16:30, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Someone unaffiliated with the company edits the article until it's in-line with policy. As mentioned I'll get round to that at some point this week, unless another editor gets there first. Nikthestunned 17:00, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Got it - thanks again for your guidance :) Ivculbert (talk) 17:03, 7 November 2016 (UTC)