Ideation269

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Image was removed . Please update and remove the issue remarks. Ideation269 (talk) 17:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Ideation269. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Malcolm Collett, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{edit COI}} template)—don't forget to give details of reliable sources supporting your suggestions;
• disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming);
• do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.--Belbury (talk) 12:39, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

It is most difficult understanding all of your info. I find editing my profile very cryptic. I do follow the rules but it is difficult to understand what you are asking me to do? All info and people I have known for years. All info is my animation background and nothing is falsified. 2604:3D08:6F7E:E280:9015:BFD8:7BBC:A62E (talk) 16:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

If you are Malcolm Collett, the easiest things to do would be:

• Put a message on your user page at User:Ideation269 informing people that you are Malcolm Collett
• Stop editing the Malcolm Collett article directly and instead suggest edits on the talk page at Talk:Malcolm Collett

People generally aren't meant to edit their own biography articles at Wikipedia, for various reasons. See Wikipedia:Autobiography for a (hopefully quite readable) overview of the policy and the thinking behind it. Belbury (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

So does the general public see the talk page? Seems odd you would edit pages on a separate page? How am I suppose to correct my own profile. I am Malcolm Collett!! 2604:3D08:6F7E:E280:9015:BFD8:7BBC:A62E (talk) 16:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

So what are the issues? I have corrected them! Do I need someone else to edit rather than me? Doesn’t make sense. 2604:3D08:6F7E:E280:9015:BFD8:7BBC:A62E (talk) 16:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

What is the conflict of interest? All is correct??? 2604:3D08:6F7E:E280:9015:BFD8:7BBC:A62E (talk) 16:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the idea is that someone else will make the edit on your behalf, after checking it.

See Wikipedia:Autobiography for Wikipedia's reason for working this way. Belbury (talk) 16:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

So how do someone else edit my background not knowing all of the details?? Can I have my wife edit? So what does she need to do. Login differently?? 2604:3D08:6F7E:E280:9015:BFD8:7BBC:A62E (talk) 16:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

You post those details on the talk page, and another Wikipedia editor will check them to make sure that they're appropriate to add to the article - and they'll update the article if it seems okay.

No, you shouldn't ask your wife or a friend to edit on your behalf. Belbury (talk) 17:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

So where are the issues? I find it difficult to find and correct. I corrected some but why do these messages keep saying there are issues not removed. Can you specify??? 2604:3D08:6F7E:E280:9015:BFD8:7BBC:A62E (talk) 17:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The main issue is that most of this article is unsourced.

You're removing "citation needed" tags without adding sources in their place, please don't do that. "Citation needed" means that Wikipedia needs a secondary source to verify a statement, not that we just need to double-check with you personally. Belbury (talk) 18:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

OK… I am doing that now. However some are hard to find so I will delete the text. This is very difficult to edit!!!! Ideation269 (talk) 18:25, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

If by "delete the text" you mean remove the citation needed template (which is what you still seem to be doing), please don't do that. Belbury (talk) 18:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I have added the citation but the message box is still there after I publish. Why? Ideation269 (talk) 18:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

But why is it still there when I publish the changes. I see it on the public side. And on titles there is a bracket next to them called edit! Why?? Ideation269 (talk) 18:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what message box you mean.

But I'm adding some of the citation templates back when you remove them without providing a valid citation. You can't use Wikipedia's Animation article as a source to verify that you studied animation at a particular university.

Take a look at Wikipedia:Citation needed if you aren't sure what the citation needed templates are for. Belbury (talk) 19:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I have added a lot and some get deleted when I publish!!! Why??? Ideation269 (talk) 19:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm also editing the article right now. I've been removing links when - for example - you cite Wikipedia's Animation article as a source for where you went to university. Belbury (talk) 19:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

My source is Emily Carr Ideation269 (talk) 19:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

This was your edit, you were citing another Wikipedia article.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that your source is the university itself. The usual source for where somebody went to university would be from a newspaper article about them, or a published interview they've given where they mentioned it. If the only source for you having been to the university would be phoning up the university to ask them, then the information doesn't belong in a Wikipedia article. Belbury (talk) 19:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Why are all my citations gone again!!!! I edit them and publish and view in the public and they are gone… also the tiles have a bracket with edit in side of the brackets. Why? Ideation269 (talk) 19:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I've taken out your use of Wikipedia articles as citations, if that's what you mean. I've left the others in and marked them as "failed verification" for now, when the pages you link to don't support the statement that needed a citation.

All titles on all articles have edit links so that users can edit those sections directly if they wish to. Belbury (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Why failed??? They are the source of the text info???? Ideation269 (talk) 19:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

What citations are for

You need to provide links so that a user who wishes to verify a statement like Soon after Malcolm Collett moved to Canmore, Alberta to work on a series of documentary films at the Banff Centre. can click the link and see a page which clearly confirms this statement.

Linking to the current home page of the Banff Centre at banffcentre.ca doesn't do that. You need to link to a specific web page (or magazine article, or book, etc) that says you worked there, if such a page exists. Belbury (talk) 19:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh my god!!!! I give up!!!! This is ludicrous! Ideation269 (talk) 19:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

It's not easy! But that's what Wikipedia is, it's articles written from secondary sources that the reader can check for themselves if they want to. Belbury (talk) 19:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Some secondary sources do not have that info as many have past away. I am the only one who can vouch for the majority of my profile and bio. I will try and do it another way by writing less or find info on the net. I cannot work on it anymore it is frustrating so I need to take a break. Just remove those brackets after the titles. They were not there before. I have not edited those so I do not know why they are there. Ideation269 (talk) 19:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

May 2024

Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Malcolm Collett, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Belbury (talk) 17:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

What??? Valid reason??? Ideation269 (talk) 17:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Cannot your help me understand what I am doing wrong!!! Ideation269 (talk) 17:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You're removing maintenance templates like {{cn}} and {{not in source}}, without correcting the issues that they are flagging. Please stop doing this. Belbury (talk) 18:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

But I have corrected them? How is it not true???? Can you please explain. I am not familiar with these tags. I correct them and the tags still remains. I am not doing it on purpose! I add what is true and to the point!!! So can you fix it??? Ideation269 (talk) 19:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to remove maintenance templates without resolving the problem that the template refers to, as you did at Malcolm Collett, you may be blocked from editing. The citation needed tag on a sentence like Collett was contracted by Alberta Culture to produce and design eight 60-second animated vignettes for television distribution throughout Alberta. means that the whole sentence needs sourcing. Removing the words "throughout Alberta" does not mean the citation needed problem has been solved and the template can be removed. Belbury (talk) 17:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok… but where do I add the source. But is a bit confusing

Do I add it in talk? Or is it another template that I open where??? Ideation269 (talk) 18:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I would recommend simply posting any published sources that you have about your life and your work on the article talk page, so that other editors can review these sources and offer guidance if there are any problems with them. Belbury (talk) 18:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How is that possible with my graduation year. There is no reference or source! That was over50 years ago and no internet reference or documents TD. School has closed and no reference other than a short page of history of the school. So you want me to reference that? Ideation269 (talk) 18:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

No. If there is no published source for your graduation year, then your graduation year should not be included in the article. This is a question of Wikipedia:Verifiability.

Biographies usually cite interviews or published profiles for this kind of thing. Where that information hasn't ever been published, it is omitted. Belbury (talk) 18:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

So I do not mention graduating.Just attending the school from 1969-1973??? Ideation269 (talk) 18:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Only if there a published source for you attending the school. It may simply be that your education can't be written about, if no published sources can verify it. (Many Wikipedia biographies omit this.) Belbury (talk) 18:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Can I state I attended from 1969-1973? If so, how does the citation field disappear when I have edited the wording? Ideation269 (talk) 19:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

No, you cannot state something in an article if there is no published source for it.

A Wikipedia biography is a summary of what published sources have recorded about its subject, not what its subject has told Wikipedia personally. Belbury (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

So I cannot state I went to art school???? Ideation269 (talk) 19:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Only if you can cite a published source that verifies it. An interview or a profile piece in a newspaper or magazine would be enough. Belbury (talk) 19:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

That doesn’t make sense! There was nothing published during those times. So I cannot state I went to school????? Ideation269 (talk) 19:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You could cite an interview you gave more recently where you mention that you went to a particular school. Look at any prominent biography on Wikipedia, this is how it's done.

I would again suggest listing all the sources you can think of that have written about you and your work, in a new section on the Talk:Malcolm Collett page, so that we can see what we've actually got to work with here. Belbury (talk) 19:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I have had no interviews. I had one on CBC radio however that was on 1977. But no reference to it. Ideation269 (talk) 19:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

So now I am not sure what to edit? It appears I cannot say anything wothout a reference. One section I mention I moved to Vancouver and there is a citation note!! Why? Does someone have to prove I moved to Vancouver?? Ideation269 (talk) 19:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, every statement in a Wikipedia article must be referenced. See Wikipedia:Verifiability.

My advice to you at this point is to list any sources you have about your life and work (interviews, profile pieces, detailed coverage in books, etc.) on the article talk page. If you don't have any such sources and nobody else is able to find any, it may be time to consider deleting the article. Belbury (talk) 19:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

So what is nobody responds to the talk pages? Those citation boxes remain until someone does respond? Ideation269 (talk) 19:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

So I will add what I can and who approves it??? Ideation269 (talk) 19:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

If you post some sources to the talk page, I will respond to them there. Belbury (talk) 19:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok… that would be great! Ideation269 (talk) 19:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I just did. So can you let me know if I am on the right track? Ideation269 (talk) 23:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I went to the talk pages but where do I add source material? Ideation269 (talk) 19:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC) There is no field to add source info on talk pages. This is confusing? All I see are comments but no place to add anything! Ideation269 (talk) 19:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Just write a comment and put each link (or page number of a book or newspaper) on a new line, or something like that. It's just a conversation about what sources exist, it doesn't need special formatting. Belbury (talk) 20:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

But I click on the talk icon and I see conflict of interest Where do I add sources for all of the citation remarks? Ideation269 (talk) 20:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Don't worry about addressing individual citation requests one by one, just click "Add topic" and start a new topic. In that topic, post a list of all the in-depth interviews and profiles and book and newspaper mentions you're aware of that Wikipedia could use as sources for the article. --Belbury (talk) 20:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I found some newspaper articles and reference material for the citations. I will have to scan them and post. Many thanks for your assistance. Ideation269 (talk) 03:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

So how do I link the newspaper articles I have scanned. I cannot locate them on the internet. So what do I do? Ideation269 (talk) 16:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

No need to scan anything in, just be clear about the article you're sourcing in a reference tag. References don't need to be online, it's fine to add something like <ref>Billboard Magazine May 8, 1970, pg 37, "A Star is Born"</ref> as a reference. Belbury (talk) 16:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok… thank you so much. I believe I have done that for the areas of concern. Does the box go away now above my name with the concerns or is there anything else I need to do. Ideation269 (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm only seeing one press source on the current version of the article, a listings entry from the Calgary Herald. If you have additional newspaper article sources to add, please either add them as footnotes or mention them on the talk page. Belbury (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I added the Albertan article in the citation but I do not see it listed. It is a document from Alberta’s newspaper dated Friday March 25 1977. It is about the documentary film Search for the Western Sea. There is nothing on the web to source it. I have the article so where do I put this info and how. Ideation269 (talk) 17:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Notability

Really it's probably more constructive to focus on the concern at the top of the article that The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies.

Has your work been written about in any books or newspaper articles? And are the "Canada Council awards" you mention in the article significant professional honours, or some kind of arts funding program? Belbury (talk) 20:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Top of the article???

Which works? There are many. Most of them were commercials and films commissioned by advertising agencies. They do not record any such articles. As for the Canada Council grants. They were awarded to me to produce the animatoon exhibition. I canlink the Canada Council website? So are citations corrected properly? Ideation269 (talk) 21:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Any works. Have any of your works been written about in any books or newspaper articles, to your knowledge? Belbury (talk) 05:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Most of my work has been producing animated commercials. So they are never published in books or newspapers. My half hour production only had a release date published in the tv guide back in June of 1987. Never published on the internet. I am going by my memory as on those days the internet was scarce. I have sourced the internet to no avail. I will see if I have any references in my portfolio of my work and I could scan any reference and upload. I will see what I can do. Ideation269 (talk) 12:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Uploading images of your work would not confer notability on you; only coverage in independent reliable sources can do that. If no independent sources write about you or your work, you would not merit a Wikipedia article at this time and no amount of editing can change that. 331dot (talk) 12:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

As an artist and if I create an image and upload it. Who would be notable to confirm it? Ideation269 (talk) 12:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I have visited other artist sites on Wikipedia and they have titles of their work and linked to images on a separate page. So how do they post those

images or does someone else do it? Ideation269 (talk) 12:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I think I have figured it out. I will try and resolve issues. Thanks Ideation269 (talk) 13:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Issues

Also why is there this issue box above my name? I have visited other Wiki sites and found not one like mine? are all different? I have corrected all info as you suggested and still not sure why that box is there. Ideation269 (talk) 13:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

If you mean the This article has multiple issues box, these are templates added by other editors who have noticed problems with the article. You can read the sentences and click the links to find out more about the issues.

Thousands of pages on Wikipedia have such templates. They get removed when the issues are resolved. Belbury (talk) 15:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok… I will try Ideation269 (talk) 15:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

So where do I find this issue?

This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it. Please introduce links to this page from related articles; try the Find link tool for suggestions. (July 2023) Ideation269 (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Where do I add links concerning this issue?

This biography of a living person relies too much on references to primary sources.Please help by adding secondary or tertiary sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful.

Find sources: "Malcolm Collett" – news ·newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR(July 2023)(Learn how and when to remove this message) Ideation269 (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Links in article text

Feels like I've been removing in-text links repeatedly from your article. Per WP:NOELBODY the text of an article shouldn't include links to other websites, they should be footnotes or put in the "External links" section. Belbury (talk) 11:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok.. so not links to Wikipedia? I have two choices. Wikipedia or external links, correct? So I choose external links?

where do you add footnotes?

thanks for your help! 2604:3D08:6F7E:E280:3534:4266:361B:CA4 (talk) 12:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, links to other Wikipedia articles are fine, links to other, external websites should either be footnotes or in their own "External links" section.

Footnotes are the <ref> tags. In this edit you added a link to a page which you'd already added as a footnote in the previous paragraph. Belbury (talk) 12:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I did link to other Wikipedia sites on some but were removed. So I should find an external link for them?

Also can you help me with the areas you have added citations? I thought o added those. Are they not correct? What am I missing? 2604:3D08:6F7E:E280:3534:4266:361B:CA4 (talk) 12:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)