User talk:Hoof Hearted/Archive 3

ISAR page & copyright

Hi Hoof, you were helpful enough to clarify some points for me earlier about the page I created on the "Intergovernmental Working Group of Experts on International Standards of Accounting and Reporting" (ISAR). In your last post to my previous user name (unctad75802) you indicated that the matter had been resolved and that I should see the new page up some time soon. I was just checking in to see how that was going, as I notice it is still blocked with the copyright infringement warning. Also you notice that I changed by user name as was requested by CobaltBlueTony. Thanks again for your help. Mole31 (talk) 10:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Superbad Plot

Themes are best put in the intro, the intro should be three paragraphs long, look at The Simpsons Movie for a good example of a long intro. Themes should not be put in the plot. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Details describing how those themes are portrayed should absolutely be put in the plot. More detailed response on the Superbad talk page. Hoof Hearted (talk) 16:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Look at the comaprisons that I have put on the talk page for the 10th and 23rd January. That was the starting point for my editing, and I want to avoid it bloating to that size again. The plot needs to be concise. Darrenhusted (talk) 15:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I have replied, I suggest copying the plot to a sandbox and working on it until we have something better than the current one (which I only stick with as all changes have simply added OR and colour and not much else). Message me when you have made edits, bare in mind the five hour time difference, I'll try to get back to you as soon as possible. Try To Click Me. Darrenhusted (talk) 19:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel the need to wave the white flag, I know the current plot summary isn't perfect, that is why I have suggested editing the plot in a sandbox so that we can avoid reverts. I am not trying to push one version, just stop the article from becoming too wieldy. Darrenhusted (talk) 09:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I have edited the first paragraph in the sandbox. Darrenhusted (talk) 14:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fame_and_Fortune Redxx (talk) 22:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Ivri Lider

Many thanks for dealing with the problem I raised about the source of this article and for explaining the procedure. CWO (talk) 16:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Pisces and date of birth

After your help, I looked at your user page. Here's a riddle for you of a different kind. I am puzzled as to whether in fact you are a Piscean or an Aquarian. If you are 36 years, 0 months and 28 days old today (17 March 2008), then presumably you were born on 18 February 1972. According to "The American Ephemeris for the 20th Century", the sun went into Pisces at 13:11 UTC on 19 February 1972. By that time UTC, there was nowhere, not even Samoa, that could still count the date as being 18 February. Best wishes with coping with this change, if that's what it is, to your identity CWO (talk) 17:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for you reply. Yes, your birthday of 20 February 1972 makes you indisputably a Piscean. As you say, there must be an inaccuracy in the way the Wikipedia calendar calculates. I'm glad not to have provoked a problem about your astrological identity :-) CWO (talk) 18:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Unctad75802

The user followed the instructions to the temp subpage on the copyvio template per its instructions. Click on that link to review his work; which I have not yet had the chance to do. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 15:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Tony. I must have missed it in his edit history. Hoof Hearted (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Bettina (Betty) Shaw-Lawrence

Thanks a million for all your advice, which as you can see has been perfectly understood. However, it will take a while for it to sink in definitely. Have written to Orange Mike so hopefully, he will write back shortly. I do hope my article will be considered worthy of appearing on Wikipedia in the end. Best regards,Boselawrence (talk) 17:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)boselawrence Still waiting to hear from Orange Mike. In my most recent message to you on my talk, I compare it to waiting for my exam results. I suppose, he is a very busy man.Boselawrence (talk) 14:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)boselawrence

Below the Belt

Should the page be titled "Below the belt" (like Above the line, Below the line, etc.) or should the primary sentence be stated? Please reply on your talk page. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, the disambiguation page should be at Below the belt (disambiguation), but I didn't think it was a big enough deal to rename it. Please note there already is an article at "Below the belt" for the fighting term. BTW, I've enjoyed working with you on cleaning DAB pages. Hoof Hearted (talk) 19:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, I think "below the belt" is related to "below the line" is related to "above the line", but I don't necessarily think you need to link "below the belt" to "above the line". Hoof Hearted (talk) 19:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Hope we can work together more. About the "See also" sections, I was just following a layout but you can do the changes you see fit. And I'd go for a move to Below the belt (disambiguation) and a disambig style repair. Would you like to do that or should I? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

What became of this conversation? Should the page be moved? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I noticed this edit in the article's history, and felt there may be some controversy in renaming the dab page. I still say there's no harm in including the "(disambiguation)" in the title, and actually Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Page naming conventions seems to justify it. I'm of the opinion that it's not perfect but it's "good enough" as it is. Feel free to move the page yourself. Hoof Hearted (talk) 13:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll do the move, but can you take care of the repairs? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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MoSDab work

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For making disambiguation pages look like disambiguation pages. Alai (talk) 01:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice job on cleaning those up. It's always heartening when one sees a page that looks too much of a chore to tidy up, and instead slacks off by just tagging it... and someone else is right on the case, and taking care of that very task. If only there were a niche for every problem, and someone on the case solving them...

BTW, I think you mean either "nothing to do with horses or cloven-hooved animals", or "nothing to do with horses or other hooved animals", since horses have "uncloven" hooves (i.e, they're odd-toed ungulates). :) Alai (talk) 01:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome. I'm not sure if you mean "funny" is a good way or a bad way, but if you like it I'm sure you can work the phrase "cloven hoof" in there someplace! Alai (talk) 14:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

WTF

Hey there. I saw you did some cleanup in the WTF article, good job on that: I suggested that it needed some myself on the talk page. I saw you removed my entry too, though; the one about .wtf, or Warcraft Text File, a file extension. Since this is not a "joke entry" as you called in in your note, I am considering adding it again, but I just wanted to discuss the matter with you first. This file extension IS used by Blizzard Entertainment, and anybody who has played World of Warcraft, ten million people that is, will know that they have a folder called WTF in their game directory. Hit me back, Bobber0001 (talk) 18:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I agree that you have a great point with DAB pages being for navigation. not information. I won't re-add the .wtf entry as I have no further knowledge of it, and would not be able to provide any information about it on the relevant page. Thanks for clearing that up for me :) Bobber0001 (talk) 16:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

As I said, I won't be re-adding the .wtf entry, as I have nothing to add about it in the relevant article. Also, I have to comment how hilarious our discussion has been. The sentence "I'll try to work it into the fuck article" really made me crack up :D. Have a good evening, Bobber0001 (talk) 19:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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Wizard

Please explain why these items should not fall under typical WP:MoSDAB guidelines:

• Wizards (anthology), an anthology of fantasy short fiction edited by Jack Dann and Gardner Dozois - contains more than one blue link
• Wizard (Archie Comics), a superhero with great physical and mental abilities - is piped from The Wizard (Archie)
• Wizard (D. C. Thomson), a British comic paper. It consisted of adventure stories for boys. In 1963 it was merged with Rover, and ceased publication in 1978 after nearly 56 years. - long description contains no target links that further describe Wizard (D. C. Thomson) (or Rover for that matter)
• Wizards (band), a power metal band from Brazil - non-notable band has no wikilink
• Wizard (record label), an Australian record label - target link does not further describe Wizard (record label), whereas the one I used (Robie Porter) at least mentioned it
• Oberon Zell-Ravenheart, living Wizard and also Headmaster of the online Grey School of Wizardry - unless people refer to him as "Wizard" (which the article doesn't mention) he should not be listed. Do we list every magician on the magician page?

• These links contain the word "Wizard", but are they REALLY likely targets for a search on "Wizard"?
  • Wizards of Waverly Place, first aired in 2007
  • Wizards of the Coast, a Seattle-based games publisher known for Magic: The Gathering and Dungeons & Dragons
  • "Pinball Wizard", a song from The Who's rock opera Tommy
  • Electric Wizard, Stoner doom metal band from UK

• DAB pages are not a list of synonyms - I don't think your list is analogous to the Serving Spoon --> Tablespoon example given on the page.
  • Magician
  • Sorcerer
  • Warlock
  • Witch

Hoof Hearted (talk) 21:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

No, you're correct on several counts. There was just too much in a single edit to qute see what all you changed. I was working on restoring some of your edits when I became distracted.

Where I disagree:

The "two links" rule being applied in the case of something created by more than one person.

Some things that don't currently have a wikilink may still be "notable" enough for a page, but as yet do not have one.

If it has "wizard" in the name, and it's a "distinctive" word in the name, then they should probably be on th page. Someone might indeed search for Wizards of the Coast (for example) by typing "wizard". It may be the only word they remember distinctly.

As for the "synonyms", that's a lengthy debate/discussion. It's probably best to retain them as "see also", since, depending on who you speak with, they may or may not be considered synonyms.

The rest I don't believe I have issues with, and so feel free.

I hope this clarifies. If not, I welcome further discussion. - jc37 21:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree with your disagreements. The overall philosophy of dab pages is that they are for quick navigation to the proper wikipedia article, and not for information on the subject topic. Having two blue links, regardless of whether both people contributed, is confusing. And actually, the article on Jack Dann doesn't even mention Wizards; another reason to link the topic singly to Gardner Dozois (which makes his co-authorship quite clear).

Red link-, and even no link-entries are fine, as long as there is some kind of pertinent blue link. If one is looking for a power metal band named Wizards, how helpful is a link to Brazil? Similarly, the D. C. Thomson comic strip and the Australian record label have no links to direct someone looking for those "Wizards". If someone does write an article for Wizards (band), Wizard (D. C. Thomson), and Wizard (record label) I would welcome those entries back on the page at that time.

I can be flexible on topics with Wizard as a distinctive word. However, I would caution that the DAB page is already a little on the long side, and therefore may warrant a stricter interpretation of the guideline.

Likewise, I can bend on the synonym rule. Again, I was trying to restrict entries to only the most applicable for clarity. Hoof Hearted (talk) 12:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

As I said, several of those I agree with you : )

I was mostly concerned about the last two sections, the DC Thomson comic, and the Wizards anthology. (I still disagree about the situation of two creators/collaborators. I think this should be added to the MoS, actually.)

And the record label and the band, if they turned out to be "notable". For the band, I'd suggest to use power metal as the better link, but I'm noticing that they aren't even listed at List of power metal bands. I see Wizard (German band), but not a Brazil one. (See also: Wizard (band), and even the obviously unrelated: Wizard rock bands.) So unless something further is discovered, I'm going to have to agree with you about that at this point.)

Thanks very much for the clarification. (I'm a big fan of discussion : ) - Hope you're having a great day. - jc37 17:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, the Brazil band's article was deleted per WP:PROD.

And I merged (and redirected) Wizard (band), as a rather unlikely dab page. - jc37 18:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Hitler (disambiguation)

I'd tag it for cleanup, but perhaps it just needs a few adjustments. Could you give it a good WP:MOSDAB fix? I can take care of the tweaks. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 15:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

It has been tweaked ;) but don't you think the primary topic description is too long? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking it could be brief, like the one at Rain (disambiguation) (BTW, how's that one looking?). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Left a reply at Talk:Rain (disambiguation). Suggest letting the DAB members know in WT:MOSDAB because I have no idea. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

re: Redirects on DAB pages

Interesting. I don't remember seeing that clause before. I'll keep it in mind. I don't think it would have applied in this case, though, because the title of the target article did contain the term being disambiguated. Thanks for the notice. Rossami (talk) 19:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

BU

Was this good enough reason for doing the edit? Please reply on your talk page, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I realize I'm walking a fine line, but my short answer is no, IMO those should not be primary topics. To me, primary topic means one, singular topic that the title could redirect to, almost by default - and infact this could be viewed as mandatory for "________ (disambiguation)" pages. By this definition, there should not be more than one primary topic. I can see valid exceptions in the cases of HP (disambiguation) and Qi (disambiguation), as there are serparate target articles for HP, hp, Qi and QI. If there truly was a universal understanding that Bu generally means _______, I could see that as the primary topic. But I don't believe that's the case.

Having said all that, I don't disagree to the point where I'd undo your edit. It's certainly understandable that the Bu articles you list are in a gray area. Hoof Hearted (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Have you ever come across similar examples? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd say in general, any DAB page that is not named "________ (disambiguation)" should not have a primary topic. I've been avoiding those because they seem to be a little more difficult. But I've just started tackling ones like Bluey, Fon, Flash, Fade, etc. Some examples of exceptions to this rule that I've run across:

• Actually, flop was one that I thought could have the primary topic of box office bomb, but I agree that topic was way too long and your edit was an improvement.
• Ideas being the plural of idea.
• I set up crap with a primary topic of shit, but someone felt the dice game craps was better. I disagree with that change as well, but I'll let it slide. Actually, I just noticed someone removed shit altogther, so I'll at least add it back in as a plain entry. Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the primary topic should be a term (or terms) that closely resemble the dab name. For instance, see Boo (disambiguation), MGS and UBU. What are your thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, for the record, I don't have a problem with a primary topic for non-DAB titled pages. My issue is having multiple primary topics when by definition I feel there should be one. I disagree with the "second primary topic" of boo (disambiguation), which should primarily go to boo only. As I've said, it's certainly a gray area that could be explained better in the MoS. Hoof Hearted (talk) 19:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you plan to trigger a discussion on WT:MOSDAB? I will support you in every way if you do, as I myself think that there should really only be one primary topic. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone began a discussion back here regarding primary topic(s). Wouldn't you like to chime in and share your thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

e-online

Hi! I read today your message and with big shame on me, i write you today. yes, i need some help ahout Horodnicul de jos, and i need help more! If you have few minutes to talk on email about this , i will be verry happy! best regards, E-online (talk) 10:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

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I note your recent clean up of Garbh Eilean (disambiguation). I can't fault it on policy grounds, but the page did have a small but useful purpose, which the new version lacks i.e. it helped you understand which of the many islands of this name a source might be referring to. Given that most of these islands are small, re-instating them with a red link may not be that useful. I suppose a "List of islands called Garbh Eilean" or similar is a possible solution, but I suspect simply creating a non-mainspace Scottish islands project page with this information e.g. Wikipedia:WikiProject Scottish Islands/Garbh Eilean might be the best solution. Any advice gratefully accepted. Ben MacDui 19:22, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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