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May 2009

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Thanks. Actually I am new in Wikipedia, have just started to write. :-D Guybrush1979 (talk) 23:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

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...and following on from List of Universities in Yogya - a big problem with lists in the Indonesian (en) project is that language challenged eds love nothing more than lists - and create more than what are really acceptable if considering the appropriate parts of WP:NOT - links to articles about the universities listed - rather than links to their web pages is the preferred option - as well as alpha order lists - SatuSuro 13:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

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ASEAN Football Federation

I noticed you added SEA Games and that Yamaha U-13 cup. Both competition are not AFF competitions. They may be ASEAN but it does not mean it is under the AFF. SEA Games football is under the SEA Games Federation, while that Yamaha competition is organized by Yamaha Motors with Indonesia's Ministry of Youth and Sport as co-organizers. Therefore it should be removed from the AFF article. Banana Fingers (talk) 13:34, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The Yamaha U-13 Cup might not be a formal AFF competition, but SEA Games probably is, referring to this AFF official webpage http://www.aseanfootball.org/competitions.asp Guybrush1979 (talk) 13:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if SEA Games football is covered at the AFF website. It still doesn't make it an AFF competition. Like I said, SEA Games including the football tournament is under the SEA Games Federation not the AFF. The same thing with the Asian Games and the Olympics. Both are not sanctioned by the AFC and FIFA respectively, its the Asian Games Council for the Asian Games and the IOC for the Olympics. Banana Fingers (talk) 15:21, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I've removed them from the article. Guybrush1979 (talk) 16:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

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Hi

Thanks for your edits - if you ever want to use hangon - put it on the main page if you can - cheers SatuSuro 00:38, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Also - when creating new Indonesian footbal articles - please - find a category (main page - Liga Indonesia say...) and it is always useful to put the project tags on the talk page as well - cheers SatuSuro 03:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your assessment at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2010_Indonesian_Inter_Island_Cup - it is appreciated SatuSuro 13:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Guybrush1979 (talk) 14:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

maaf - kalau bisa tahu dimana WP:RS untuk Arif_Suyono - please add one! - WP:BLP issues are serious these days - thank you if you can help SatuSuro 13:26, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Saya cuma bantu fixing Englishnya dan templatenya kok. Tapi nanti saya coba bantu cari reliable sourcesnya. Thanks. Guybrush1979 (talk) 13:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Waah lebih banyak daripada - my request - thank you very much - many of the football BLP bios (and in turn the creators/editors close to being blocked for ignoring requests for reliable sources) are very close to deletable due to lack of reliable sources - so thank you for your efforts SatuSuro 13:44, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Sama-sama. Please let me know if you have other concerns, I will try to help as much as I can. I am still beginner in WP. Guybrush1979 (talk) 13:54, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

It can take time, like when I went to live in Yogya many years ago, it took time to the ways of local thinking ( I am Australian with scottish ancestry}, the way of javanese/Indonesian logic with some things took time to get used to .... SatuSuro 13:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

sampai nanti - thank you again - it is a great relief to see some work on cleaning up indonesian project articles - it is waktu tidur pada australia barat - mudah mudahan bisa omong omong another time - cheers SatuSuro 14:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

see you! by the way I live outside Indonesia now (in Italy). Guybrush1979 (talk) 14:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Questions

I bet you will not get an answer - see my very rude comment at [1] - sopan - not.... SatuSuro 14:49, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I see. He needs to learn more about contributing to WP. Guybrush1979 (talk) 15:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Nah never has spoken to anyone, continues to start WP:BLP stubs with no cats, no project tags, and carries on as if havent spoken to him - anyways - thank you for your diligence - pity you wont probably get an answer SatuSuro 15:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow - do you have any good refs for that [2] ? - it looks great! SatuSuro 08:42, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I just tried to reformat the tables which are already listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_football_league_system. It's getting larger and too details. Probably, it will be better to put the details in a separated page. Most of the source are from http://www.rsssf.com/tablesi/indoamchamp.html combined with more recent results from www.liga-indonesia.co.id. It's still in my sandbox, once it's ready, I'll move it to real page. Let me know if you have any suggestion! Guybrush1979 (talk) 12:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

"English please"

Hello there. I noticed a number of the Indonesian soccer/football articles use the words "Bahasa Indonesia" rather than the accepted English "Indonesian". I also noticed that you have worked on a few of the articles. I'm aware that some people refer to the language in English as Bahsasa Indonesia, however, the majority of people don't, and in official use "Indonesian" is used. When you're working on these articles, perhaps you could fix this up - much appreciated if you can. To link, type "[[Indonesian language|Indonesian]]

many thanks --Merbabu (talk) 08:03, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'll help to fix these up. Guybrush1979 (talk) 08:59, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

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Football club naming

you said "Names like Persib Bandung or Persija Jakarta are not necessary to be changed into PS Bandung or Jakarta FC". you know, this is English Wikipedia. so, the title can be changed to English and it's lead sentence will explain the title.

such as Persija. i may use Jakarta FC as title in English Wikipedia page. in the artikel, i explain it that "Jakarta FC (Bahasa:Persatuan Sepakbola Indonesia Jakarta) commonly known as Persija......". you know, Persija is abrreviation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deyede (talk • contribs) 12:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's English WP, but those are club names, which are not necessary to be translated, unless the club has officially launched its English name, as for Sriwijaya FC or Pro Titan FC.

Comparison: AS Roma in Italy doesn't need to be changed into Rome FC (A.S = Football Club in Italian language). In Germany, Eintracht Frankfurt also need not to be changed into Frankfurt United (Eintracht = United in German language). However, for the associated city/region names, might be changed into English names, as for Bayern Muenchen into Bayern Munich (Munich is the English name for Muenchen) -- Bayern itself is a German region name for Bavarian. But, it doesn't apply for all case! if the city name is part of the club names, as in Torino FC in Italy (doesn't need to be changed into Turin FC). Guybrush1979.

But probably you may also be right, since names like Persija Jakarta is actually incorrect abbreviation, since Persija itself has contained "Jakarta". It should be "PS Jakarta" or "PSI Jakarta". Now, it depends how we see "Persija" as a club name or abbreviation. Still, if it is PSI Jakarta, it doesn't need to be changed into "Jakarta FC". Don't need to change the prefix. Guybrush1979 (talk) 13:00, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(sports)

• The name is used on the English-language section of the club's official website
• The name has been adopted at least by a significant section of the English-language media and it is recognizable
• The name is not easily confused with other clubs' names.

In this case, I think such names like Persija Jakarta, Persib Bandung or PSM Makassar have been widely accepted and used by media or even the clubs (when they deal with international games, etc).

Hopefully, this has solved your doubts.

The only possible problem is about the inclusion of city/region names for football clubs. We need to see whether the city name is just complementary information (as in FC Bayern Munich from FC Bayern Muenchen -- in this case FC Bayern is the main name and Muenchen/Munich is just complementary) or the only club name (as in AS Roma - not necessary to be translated as FC Rome or AS Rome -- as in here Roma is the main club name!). The clubs like Persija Jakarta or Persib Bandung are fine, since Jakarta and Bandung are both Indonesian and English names of the cities. But how about Persitara Jakarta Utara or Persikab Kabupaten Bandung? Should they be changed into Persitara North Jakarta and Persikab Bandung Regency? Guybrush1979 (talk) 23:31, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

you said "it's English Wikipedia, but those are club names". no way. in English Wikipedia, club names can be changed for searching easier. people in the world would like to search Jakarta Football Club than type Persatuan Sepakbola Indonesia Jakarta. oh ya, Persija is abbreviation, so don't too often to use it. the name is Persatuan Sepakbola Indonesia Jakarta, not Persija. Persija is just acronym. which one do you like to spell in English, Jakarta Football Club or Persatuan Sepakbola Indonesia Jakarta?

his case is similar like Saudi Arabia's club names. the winner of 2009 AFC Cup, نادي الكويت الرياضي, the club was known as Kuwait Sporting Club. the club name in English Wikipedia is Kuwait SC. in Indonesia, commonly use FC (Football Club). Jakarta FC is not official club name, but in used English Wikipedia, it doesn't matter.

if don't like English name, how if Persatuan Sepakbola Indonesia translated to PSI, so become PSI Jakarta, not Persija Jakarta? or Persatuan Sepakbola abbreviated to PS, so Persatuan Sepakbola Malang will become PS Malang, not Persema Malang. like you said, "incorrect abbreviation".

if you agree with media, i am disagree with you. incorrect abbreviation is spreaded by media, so many people are made wrong. before judging media, i want to ask about PSSI (Indonesian FA). PSSI should tell to press that abbreviaton of club names is wrong and media must be soon to correct them. don't say Persija Jakarta, correct it to PSI Jakarta. maybe current officer of PSSI don't care, or don't know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deyede (talk • contribs) 02:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

In general, you have to follow the convention as regulated in EN WP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(sports). I have posted the 3 criteria above. One of them: The name has been adopted at least by a significant section of the English-language media and it is recognizable. So it's not my personal opinion about the media.

I understand your stand, but the problem is about consistency. If you want to change the name into PSI Jakarta (but not FC Jakarta! unless that club has its official Englsih name), then you have to change all articles in WP EN, so it won't be confusing. And ask for other people's views, especially those with authority in this WP EN! I am just normal user.

But, for competition name, let's make it as Indonesia Super League, instead of Indonesian Super League. It's a name, shouldn't be changed. Liga Indonesia First Division might be translated to Liga Indoensia Division One (depends on how you translate "Divisi Satu" into English). Liga Indonesia stays as it is, like Bundesliga stays as is. Guybrush1979 (talk) 10:26, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

By the way, I've raised this issue to WikiProject Football and Indonesia Portal talk page for discussion. Let's see if some decision can be made upon this. Guybrush1979 (talk) 21:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

more on football

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia - please feel free to comment there! SatuSuro 12:38, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

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Indonesia football

Hi, I'm trying to add a section in the Jason de Jong article about his move to Indonesian football but I'm having a bit of a tough time since I don't understand Indonesian, even with online translations. Particularly with this source, [3], during his trials with Sriwijaya, it says something about a deadline on foreign players but there are two dates that are stated, 21 & 23 February. And it says something about the coach not liking naturalized players. Perhaps you could help me out to clarify what this article is saying. Thanks! Banana Fingers (talk) 20:46, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, this article is basically saying that the coach Ivan Kolev doesn't like any of those 4 foreign players (including De Jong), while he is supposed to choose one of them before the transfer deadline (on 23rd). The management gives him time to choose 'til 21st. It's said also, if Kolev doesn't choose any player in the end, the management will do it. Guybrush1979 (talk) 01:14, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I've finished the section on his move to Indonesia. Thanks for the help! Banana Fingers (talk) 18:41, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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