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Deletions of Jawi

While english wikipedia articles should focus on english, it is acceptable to have relevant foreign translations in the introduction. See WP:LEAD#Foreign language, showing the example for Chernivtsi Oblast. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (text formatting)#Foreign terms covers how to format foreign words, in the lead and main article. If possible, what you could do would be to provide a transliteration for that Jawi script if there is not one already! Chipmunkdavis (talk) 12:59, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. The only reason i edited those articles was because they had Jawi-versions already and deemed superfluous. Besides the official language of Malaysia is in Latin-script as stated in the Constitution.Fookjian95 (talk) 05:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edit to Malaysia

I think most people would be happier if you discussed this on the talk page, where a long discussion was held, at the request of an IP editor (I'm not clear whether it was you, logged out, or not). Regardless, the discussion is there, and a consensus was reached. The consensus may indeed be incorrect - but the thing to do in that case would be to discuss, not just revert. I won't be participating in that discussion, since I've already been accused by the IP editor of "twisting facts", which is one of the most ludicrous assertions I have ever had thrown at me here, since I have no position on this issue at all, other than accuracy. On that basis I am recused. However, I'm sure other editors would be happy to discuss and refine consensus. Personally, on realising there was already a long discussion leading to consensus, I would self revert, and join the discussion. Obviously you must proceed as you see fit. Please keep replies related to this at Talk:Malaysia Thank you.  Begoon&#149;talk 10:42, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

You are referring to the Islamic state edit? A discussion with chipmukdavis is ongoing. thanks. but frankly there's no clause that states that Malaysia is Islamic. Tunku Abdul Rahman envisioned a free, democratic and secular Malaysia concurrently with Islam as state religion for ceremonial purposes. Even if you argue Malaysia isn't secular, the federal constitution is in itself not islamic.

A quick reference to the preamble of the constitutions of Malaysia and the Islamic Republic of Iran will shed some light on the topic. One exclaiming faith and piety in Allah while Malaysia's secures fundamental civil liberties and basic freedoms without reference to any god. Civil laws are the main source of civil jurisprudence in Malaysia so clearly it can't be an islamic state which by definition only recognises Islam and its creator along with its laws only in accordance to Allah and not civil laws. No one has ever mentioned a theocracy ala Iran. The Alliance party who governed Malaysia intended to sanction Islam as the state religion for ceremonial purposes concurrently maintaining a secular state as reiterated in court ruling 1988. and also Tunku's (1st/2nd PrimeMinister's open letters to star in early 1990's) Islam, Bahasa Malaysia and the Constitutional Monarchies were meant to be ceremonially symbolic, giving recognition to Malaya's pre-colonial heritage. But well times have changed, the people grew conservative due to deliberate politicization of religion :| LOL the future of Malaysia hangs in a balance *gulps* Fookjian95 (talk) 11:36, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm transferring your post on my talkpage to the article talkpage, seems pertinent to all editors. Responding there. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 12:48, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

October 2010

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I merely standardized the name of the state Malacca, which is official as per main wikipage of Malacca. The term Melaka is the Malay spelling of Malacca.Fookjian95 (talk) 10:49, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

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Does the copyright policy apply to state symbols? The state symbol uploaded is neither a personal work nor value-added, so how does it apply in the copyright agenda? Fookjian95 (talk) 15:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

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Malaysian Chinese

I have removed your speedy deletion tag from Chinese Malaysian. The move you requested has been discussed quite extensively at Talk:Malaysian Chinese, and no one could come up with any actual evidence that the current title is "ungrammatical". English has no grammatical rule that ethnicity always comes first and nationality second. Regards, cab (call) 23:45, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

The term should be set by precedence. It is widely regarded that the ethnicity should come before nationality. Wouldn't it be best to stick to the standardized, unequivocal universal term. For example,you can check out these wiki sites "Chinese Singaporean" "Chinese Indonesian" "Chinese Filipino" "African American" "White American" Fookjian95 (talk) 14:21, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

There is no such "wide regard" that ethnicity comes before nationality. It is not a "universal" convention; it is an American convention which a few Malaysians who have gone to America suddenly think should apply to the whole world. You will notice that the political party is called the Malaysian Chinese Association and not the reverse. British Chinese, British Pakistani, British Indian, British Arab (all living in Britain), Iranian Kazakhs, Iranian Armenian, Iranian Georgians (all living in Iran), Burmese Indians (living in Burma), etc. are all far more common than the reverse, as has been demonstrated every time one of these move requests comes up. And in other countries there is no such convention of putting either term before the other at all, like Greeks in Zambia, Filipinos in Thailand, etc., who are never called "Greek Zambians" or "Filipino Thais" (nonsensical terms which not a single scholar has ever used in print). cab (call) 23:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Alright it may not be universal. To say it is not widespread is one thing, but you are definitely wrong that no single scholar ever termed a person's cultural background by placing ethnicity over nationality for it is widespread in the printed media regionally and perhaps large swaths of countries abroad namely south africa where whites and indians are termed as white south africans and indian south africans or French/Irish Argentine etc. This argument is open-ended hence i suggest that we look from a regional perspective, which perhaps is where most of the searches are probably going to come from, i suggest that the term chinese malaysian be adopted to standardise with its sister articles (overseas chinese)Fookjian95 (talk) 17:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Vincci

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Vernacular languages

Why are they only four languages included, if vernacular languages/scripts need to be included at all? Why for instance, why did you remove Jawi or why is it not included? How about Arabic? Iban? Dayak? __earth ^(Talk) 01:35, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Because these are the four main/prominent languages of Malaysia. There is no dayak version of wiki, also they are not geographically widespread unlike the other minorities. Dayak Malaysians are not represented in Kuala Lumpur so dayak language is not featured. Arabs aren't even an ethnic group in Malaysia. Both Jawi and Rumi are of the same Malay language, of which Rumi has superseded in terms of extent of use especially in the contemporary context. Its like simplified/traditional chinese of which only the simplified chinese is featured. Besides the constitution sanctions only the latin-script of Malay as official, despite malay being official it however doesn't curb the use vernacular languages. Not that the Malaysian constitution applies in the free net anyway. This move should not be seen as a move to subordinate the national language/racial supremacy, but meant to give outsiders the true picture of racial diversity and social cohesion present in the Malaysian society. Fookjian95 (talk) 07:07, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

These arguments have been used in the past but unfortunately, it's contradictory. I'll rehash the old arguments:

• First, you said only that latin-script Malay is sanctioned by the Constitution, but why use the Constitution to justify the non-inclusion of Jawi whereas the Constitution doesn't say other languages are the official language? If the Constitution is the benchmark, then only Malay should be included, apart from English. But you yourself said the use of the Constitution is not applicable anyway. Why use it in this particular case for a particular language/script and not apply to other? You can't cherry pick.
• Second, Dayak are not represented in KL yes, but I'm referring to the whole of Malaysia. Why Sarawak for instance doesn't have it? This highlights the problem of using demographics as benchmark. Furthermore, on demographics, Jawi is probably widely used in Kelantan and Terengganu. That makes Jawi important to those state, if demographics is the benchmark.
• Third, this is never really about what the Constitution says about the use of other languages. This is Wikipedia.
• Fourth, to give outsiders a true picture of diversity, use the demographics section. The use of languages as it is now gives the impression that these languages are the official languages of the countries and those states.
• Fifth, this is not about language/racial supremacy. Don't get it wrong. The inclusion of other languages is messy, and it follows inconsistent rules, which brings further questions.

Give all these, it is far better to use only the official language and English. For other languages, other versions of Wikipedia are available. It's consistent, clear, clean and not arbitrary. __earth ^(Talk) 13:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

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Chief Minister & excessive languages

Hi, I justed wanted to give you a heads up on changes I made to the article "Chief Ministers of Malaysia" which you previously made major edits to. You said that the use of 'Chief Minister' should be universal in English regardless of whether the state has a ruler or governor. Well, this is certainly not followed in the Malaysian media and I have added this fact to the article. I also added info on how foreign news outlets address this translation issue. (All with sources, of course).

I know that the word "Menteri Besar" may be completely undecipherable for a non-Malaysian, but consider this article: Taoiseach (prime minister of ireland). A similar situation exists for this office in Ireland where the local Irish media always use 'Taoiseach' but foreign news instead refers to the position as 'prime minister'. I think this justifies the primary use of Menteri Besar in the article.

I also disagree with you adding Chinese & Tamil names for Malaysian institutions or administrative divisions (e.g. Penang) on their respective articles because I think the those languages are not official. The infobox for European Union and South Africa contains their official names in more than 10 languages because, well, all of them are official. If a reader wants to know the Chinese names he/she should go to the Chinese version of the article instead (similarly, if I wanted to know the French name for South Africa, I would go to the French Wikipedia article).

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Alternative scripts

Your opinion needed here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Malaysia#Alternate_scripts. - Yk (talk) 17:56, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

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