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Please do not add or change content, as you did at Turkish Airlines, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. The source you added says there are 25 787-9s, 10 737-9MAXs and 65 737-8MAXs on order. These are not the figures in the fleet table so please stop adding this reference to support them. You may want to read WP:VERIFY, which is a basic policy here. Jetstreamer ^Talk 23:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

@Jetstreamer: Firstly, I appreciate starting a conversation on this, but I can't help but feel a condescending tone in what you are saying. The source I cited is literally as reliable as it gets - it is directly an official report from the airline. When you come here and act like I don't know what a reliable source is, of course I am going to feel that way and I hope you can understand that.

As for the issue you have with this - I am honestly not sure what you are are trying to say. Let's say we have this official source I cited saying the airline ordered 65 planes. If the article already says 5 were delivered (for example), then the figure for orders (on the article here) would say 60, no? Then if you add 5 and 60, that confirms the total figure in the airline's report I cited. Junk2711 (talk) 22:02, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

What you mention is original research.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 22:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

@Jetstreamer: Very pedantic application of OR but at least you could have explained your issue earlier instead of saying "unreliable source". Also, this is present in other airline articles - what do you propose is the solution for this? There's no live counter for these numbers, so only news when planes are delivered but not for an updated unfilled order amount. Unfilled orders are only reported periodically by the manufacturer and are not necessarily adequately detailed (such as not distinguishing between MAX 8 and MAX 9 figures). -Junk2711 (talk) 23:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I have left a message on your talk page referring to WP:CALC. Thanks. -Junk2711 (talk) 19:53, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Turkish Airlines; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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You warn me, I warn you. Per WP:CALC, "Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is obvious". I do not see you looking for consensus with other editors in the article's talk page. Jetstreamer ^Talk 19:55, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Please have some maturity and remember to assume good faith (WP:AGF). I genuinely don't understand why you're approaching this with a "you warn me, I warn you" attitude.

As for what you are saying, are you claiming that 54+11 isn't 65? 9+1 isn't 10? 6+24 isn't 30? I'm fairly certain that a consensus among editors can be reached that the results of these calculations are obvious. -Junk2711 (talk) 20:56, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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