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A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	For your contributions in development of RedWarn ~ Amkgp 💬 07:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Amkgp: thank you! Ed6767 talk! 12:44, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020

Changes do not get reliably detected before reverting

Hi. When trying to revert a change with the Redwarn rollback implementation, but another editor has already reverted the content a split second before, redwarn sometimes restores the vandalised content, instead of aborting. diff1, diff2. Best, Blablubbs (talk) 14:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Blablubbs, thanks. I've filed a bug report and will look into it. Ed6767 talk! 14:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the tool!

I would like to thank the creator for this tool. It is one of the best I have seen. Warning users has never been easier, and patrolling pending changes is a breeze! Another thing I love is the alert on change tool. It is especially useful for answering questions at the teahouse because it alerts me when someone asks a question, I can give a speedy reply. In short: Awesome tool! Ghinga7 (talk) 01:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Ghinga7, thank you very much for the feedback! Ed6767 talk! 01:26, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Help:Two-factor authentication

Hello, Can I to active the two-factor authentication with some code in my email? I am loving RedWarm <3. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 21:08, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

A.WagnerC, do you mean 2FA on Wikimedia global accounts? You have to use an authentication device such as your phone, or an app on your PC to pass 2fa at the moment, that's why you have to be approved to reduce the risk of people getting locked out of their accounts. Ed6767 talk! 21:13, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

At enwiki, I don't have access to the most advanced tools, but at ptwiki I'm a rollback, so I'm worried. Enabling two-factor authentication will only work on enwiki or will also affect other wikis? For me to have a global authentication, where I must request approval? ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 21:19, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

A.WagnerC, it affects all Wikimedia Wikis - to request the permission you should read through H:2FA first, then file a request at meta:Steward requests/Global permissions#Requests for 2 Factor Auth tester permissions. Ed6767 talk! 21:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 21:26, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ed6767: What is Redwarn? What does it do? Who is it for? I saw an invitation on someone else's talk page and I'm curious. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Jenhawk777, thanks for asking! RedWarn is a counter-vandalism tool, just like Twinkle. It gives you extra tools predominantly designed to aid reverting edits and warning vandals. See WP:REDWARN. Ed6767 talk! 13:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ed6767: I haven't been on WP long and don't know what Twinkle is either. Why does one need a tool to revert vandalism? Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:03, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I actived Two-factor authentication. Thank you. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 16:19, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777: Look at WP:VD and WP:TWINKLE. Geekpotato24 (talk to me!) 19:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!

I just tried out redwarn today and it's way better than twinkle! Geekpotato24 (talk to me!) 19:50, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Geekpotato24, glad you're enjoying it :) Ed6767 talk! 20:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

There's just one problem: in redwarn patrol, when you click on an edit it doesn't go to that edit. Geekpotato24 (talk to me!) 20:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Geekpotato24, you have to click "open new attached tab" - that tab will then respond to each time you click on an edit in RedWarn patrol. Ed6767 talk! 20:53, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks, it works now. But would it be possible to change it so when you click on it, it goes to that edit, because that would be more convenient. Geekpotato24 (talk to me!) 20:59, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Geekpotato24, we're working on a redesign for the next version, so that should be an option. Thanks again for the feedback! Ed6767 talk! 21:01, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Geekpotato24 (talk to me!) 21:02, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	How dare you use Huggle and not Redwarn! :-) Field Marshal Aryan (talk) 19:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Field Marshal Aryan, thanks - and you caught me! Don't worry, I have plans for a good feature for RedWarn and needed to use Huggle to test a few things. I've been doing quite a bit of server side work to get it set up. Ed6767 talk! 19:06, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Ed6767. Thanks man, your tool is really cool. Constructive criticism -> The only complaint I have is regarding Redwarn patrol - it does not display the diffs until you click on them which takes quite a time. So what I do is use SWViewer or huggle, going through various diffs, until I find something un-constructive at which point I press 'O' so it takes me to wikipedia and I can use redwarn to revert. Once again, great job. Regards, Field Marshal Aryan (talk) 19:13, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Field Marshal Aryan, thanks for the feedback! We're working on a way to resolve this now :) Ed6767 talk! 19:23, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020

Unable to click View and Don't Warn

Hey Ed6767, been getting a lot more familiar with RedWarn. I find myself making rollbacks without the need for notifying users on their talk page and noticed that there is a small tab that pops up underneath the dialogue box that has the link "View and don't warn". I am unable to click on it, as it appears to be behind the darkened frame that is focused on the dialogue box. Is there any way to bring it up to the forefront, so to speak? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:57, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, thanks for the feedback, and thanks for pointing out that bug! We're working on it now. Ed6767 talk! 21:36, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Update: @Ed6767: Thought you'd like to know, but if I press Esc when the interface to leave a message on a person's talk page appears it removes both the interface and the darkened layer, which allows me to click "View and Don't Warn". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

EC detection

RedWarn won't let me use any of the EC-required features, but I would hope I'm at leats extended confirmed given that I'm an admin... –Darkwind (talk) 20:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Darkwind, thanks for pointing this issue out. I've just patched this bug now, so flushing your cache by holding Shift then clicking the reload button should fix the issue. Ed6767 talk! 20:51, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

Hello Ed6767 I'm here to tell you thank you for deleting the Green Fred page. Because it was an unknown page anyway. And I mistake and made it. So thank you. And I also read the guide to create an article Nocount556 (talk) 01:43, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Nocount556, no problem. Pages that begin with "Wikipedia:" are more about Wikipedia itself and how its run, things like that. You may want to take a look at some more help over at Help:Contents, there are lots of things there. Welcome to Wikipedia :) Ed6767 talk! 01:46, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

It take seven weeks for a draft to turn into an article Nocount556 (talk) 01:48, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

How can I become an administratorNocount556 (talk) 01:50, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Nocount556, yes, sadly that's the way it is, but often it is much shorter than that. It's a good process really as an experienced editor can help improve the page before it is public to help maintain the high quality of articles expected on Wikipedia. Regarding becoming an admin, you need lots of experience here - Wikipedia is one of the biggest websites and admins are nominated and accepted through consensus by experienced users at WP:RfA. Ed6767 talk! 01:53, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

How can I be an administrator

How can I be an administrator — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nocount556 (talk • contribs) 01:38, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Nocount556 - I'm putting your question back in order to answer it for you - I hope you don't mind. :-)

The administrator user right is a senior-level responsibility that's granted to users by the community following a discussion. It is not for new, novice, or even experienced editors on Wikipedia. These users must demonstrate years of exemplary-level knowledge of Wikipedia's policies and processes, experience across many (if not most) areas across Wikipedia, the ability to consistently make good decisions, communicate with others professionally and civilly, and take appropriate actions. I don't want to discourage you at all, but you have only been on Wikipedia for a few hours. Keep in mind, though, that we all started on Wikipedia as new users; we all had accounts that were only a few hours old and with a few edits at one time. :-) However, if you commit yourself to volunteering toward the project, and gain experience, and do good work here, there's no doubt that someday we'll be discussing your readiness to be an admin.

Keep in mind, too, that about 95% of what you can do on Wikipedia does not require administrator rights. You can patrol for vandalism, fix it, and warn other users for their behavior. You can fix issues and problems within articles, and maintain how things work around here. Administrators literally only have maybe 5-6 extra buttons that others don't have... I'm not exaggerating one bit when I say this. So don't fret! Stick it out with us, and I think that you'll have a lot of fun. I was new just like you once, and I stuck it out - and I don't regret it at all. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:56, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

So Oshwah you saying your account have to be a year old or more to become an admin Nocount556 (talk) 02:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Nocount556 - There are no solid "requirements" that users must meet before they can become an administrator. However, what I said to you above is what the community generally "requires" or expects of their candidates looking to become an administrator. You can read this page for a general idea of what is expected by the community - what they want to see, and don't want to see. Let me know if you have any questions. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:21, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for all the hard work you put into RedWarn. I usually use Huggle to patrol vandalism, but might consider switching if RedWarn becomes easier to use than Huggle. I like how you always ask for feedback to make RedWarn the best it can be. Again, thank you. Interstellarity (talk) 11:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

About RedWarn

Can you change the rollback summaries (from “Rollback edit(s) by $1” to “Reverted edits by $1”) and request an admin to move the actual script to MediaWiki:Gadget-RedWarn.js? 2600:387:A:902:0:0:0:32 (talk) 01:31, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Can't be a Gadget without consensus from users, and I see no reason to change the rollback summary at this time. Ed6767 talk! 01:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Redwarn volunteers

Are you paying those volunteers of RedWarn.Tbiw (talk) 05:47, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		This is for your valuable efforts on countering Vandalism and protecting Wikipedia from it's threats. I appreciate your effort. You are a defender of Wikipedia. Thank you. PATH SLOPU 16:58, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Original Barnstar
		This is for your valuable efforts on contributing to Wikipedia. Also, thanks for creating RedWarn. Thank you. PATH SLOPU 16:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Path slopu, thank you! Ed6767 talk! 17:16, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Novocherkassk massacre

Yes, would you please open Russian article (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB) and then undo your rollbacks, as my edits are constructive. Thank you.89.1.148.62 (talk) 20:50, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

disrupting wikipedia?

Is wikipedia open only for edits that align with USA foreign policy? 79.167.215.14 (talk) 23:49, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

IP, you have introduced factual errors [1] and removed content from articles without good reason [2]. Both of these actions are against Wikipedia's policies and editing guidelines. Ed6767 talk! 23:55, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Adminship?

Hello Ed6767, I'll get straight to the point here — adminship. You're a wonderful contributor and made the most useful anti-vandal tool. This may be a tad bit early, but would you want to be an admin someday? I'd gladly nominate you. Thanks, Thanoscar21_{talk, contribs} 23:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanoscar21, thank you for your kind words - I've considered it, but at this point in time I simply don't have enough critical editing experience to pass an RfA, or to be comfortable with sysop tools, especially as I only began editing a few months ago. Once I get more experience in content creation and expansion and things I'm very welcome to any nomination :) Ed6767 talk! 23:57, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

I'd say 10,000 edits and five not stub articles might be a good time. CompassOwl (talk to me!) 00:01, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Cont. from talk page

While I have you, two more questions. Without revealing how to track a user's edits (since my enemy will likely read this and I don't want to enable them) is there any general thing I should do to look for attempted vandalism of my historical edits since they specifically want to hurt me personally? Question 2, some years ago I ran into what seems to be a very prolific admin in a particular subject matter, who is blatantly breaking rules to uphold a specific bias. Specifically he removed my comments on a section which is a about a self-publish based upon the excuse that my critique of the unpublished work was, itself, unpublished. I later eliminated the section based upon the no original work clause which he then immediately reverted. I promptly gave up, knowing how counter-productive it is to start fights with those in greater power. Notes are still in my talk section. ("November 2014") How is this sort of issue addressed? Nemesis75 (talk)

Nemesis75, thanks for asking - you can view a users contributions at Special:Contributions, or easily with WP:RedWarn by holding Shift then right-clicking a link to a user page or user talk page then selecting Account info > Contributions. You can also access other info like a users block log, rights changes and warn them along with many other things - and as far as I can tell, the user in question has never been an administrator, so has always had the same powers as you and I. Usually admins have a note on their main page saying they are an admin. But for genuine admin disputes (i.e. you've verified they are actually an admin) you have to go to the arbitration committee at WP:ArbCom (which is essentially the highest you can go on the English Wikipedia, past then you have to go to the Wikimedia Meta Wiki which is a whole can of worms in and of itself), otherwise, with experienced editors it's just best to figure it out on talk pages without (remembering important rules like WP:CIVIL and WP:ENGAGE), then heading to WP:ANI or WP:DRN appropriately. Feel free to ask if you need any more help. Ed6767 talk! 01:20, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again for all your help! The wiki system is a bit arcane and I've already got so many systems in the queue to learn, I tend to avoid adding to the list, but picking up a few little pieces here and there is nice. I just assumed he was an admin by his demeanor, which, from his style was probably on purpose. (he starts right out "welcoming" me to wikipedia in a post on my talk page right next to another that was nearly a decade old) Unfortunately however, if you're an established frequently interacted-with entity in a community you do have more power within that system than a less socialized person if voting is ever part of it, so he still has significant social power over me in a dispute I think. But, since this is a crucial part of history he's tainting with self-published bad pseudoscience, I will probably have to engage him at some point. I guess I'll copy this to my talk page to archive it. Nemesis75 (talk) 16:34, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Nemesis75, it'll be on my talk page archive for this month soon too, and it's no problem. Ed6767 talk! 16:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Correct procedure for removing defamatory content

Hello,

You commented on my talk page to let me know that if there is defamatory material about myself on a page, I must follow the correct procedure listed at WP:BLP.

I checked WP:BLP, and I did not find a section describing the correct procedure for alerting Wikipedia about defamatory material. What is the correct procedure?

The information at the bottom of the Yandere Simulator page does not maintain a NPOV. It's a section added to the page purely primarily to disparage the subject. The articles "sourced" art not verifiable, but are tabloid gossip articles.

I am not a public figure; I am a programmer working on an indie game. I am a low-profile individual. Random gossip and drama about current events does not belong on the Yandere Simulator page.

The fact of the matter is that a rival game developer spread lies about me "threatening suicide" as a smear campaign, and these lies have made it onto the Wikipedia article. Your assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated. B.A.B.E. (talk) 05:17, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

B.A.B.E., hi, thanks for getting in touch. WP:BLP does list how to handle articles regarding yourself (under WP:BLPSELF) - we came to the conclusion that your concerns are valid here, along with my admittedly poor sourcing (see the pages talk page for more on this) and so we removed the statements pending more reliable sources becoming present, exemplified by the fact that, as you have pointed out, these accusations aren't really relevant to the development of the game. A select few newer editors seem to be heading against this decision however and are adding back the disputed content. I have the page on my watchlist so will ensure to remove it if it appears again, but if you have any further concerns, you can contact me here or via email through Special:EmailUser/Ed6767, or follow the procedure at WP:BLPSELF. You should also declare your conflict of intrest on your user page (see WP:DECLARE) Ed6767 talk! 09:55, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Ed6767, thank you very much for taking the time to address my concern. Thanks for pointing me to WP:BLPSELF - I overlooked that section. I'm relieved to hear that you found my concerns to be valid. Thank you for keeping an eye on the page to make sure that poorly-sourced and irrelevant accusations will be removed. I'll declare my conflict of interest on my user page, as well. Thanks again for your assistance! B.A.B.E. (talk) 18:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

B.A.B.E., it's no problem. Accepting criticism and taking responsibility for flaws in my writing along with listening to your concerns is a core part of my development as a contributor here on Wikipedia, and I thank you for coming to my talk page for clarification. My email and talk page are always open if you have any further concerns. Thanks again for getting in touch and for disclosing your COI! Ed6767 talk! 18:13, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Editor advice for newcomers

You are welcome to contribute to WP:Editor advice for newcomers where you can provide advice to newcomers. Interstellarity (talk) 22:16, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Usage of RedWarn

Hi Ed6767. I am not familiar with running scripts etc, so I was hoping you could help me with a question about RedWarn please... Is there a way to tell when it has been used for a particular edit? (The reason I ask is that I am concerned that someone might be using it for content disputes rather than against vandalism.) Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:51, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

1292simon, thanks for enquiring - can you link me to the diffs so I can verify them? As a basic rule of thumb, you can determine an edit made with RedWarn with (RedWarn [version]) at the end of the edit summary and "redwarn" in the tags of the edit. The current version of RedWarn is RedWarn 15 so the edit summaries will end with (RedWarn 15) Ed6767 talk! 09:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for your quick response. There's no mention of redwarn in the edit summaries, so thankfully there's no misuse of the tool going on here (the summaries say "Advanced mobile edit", so I thought a script might have been involved). Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 12:08, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

1292simon, it's no problem. "Advanced mobile edit" is the mobile website and app, I think. You can check Special:Tags for more info on them. Ed6767 talk! 12:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Actually, advanced mobile edit is a mode where it provides better access to pages such as your watchlist etc. I'm using it right now. CompassOwl (talk to me!) 12:24, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Ahh, I must try that someday. Thanks for all your help. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 09:12, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect Removal of Changes on Karna Das article

Dear Ed6767, wiki articles on Nepalese personality suffers from poor quality writing, content, and unsubstantiated claims. I have attempted to mitigate all these problems in the Karna Das articles. I have gone through many of his interviews to verify my descriptions's veracity, and read myriad published articles. All of these are cited with referencing. However, I was saddened to get the message that the article changes were revereted. I request you to please restore the article to the latest changes I made. Thanks. Dr. Alvin Williams (talk) 10:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Dr. Alvin Williams, hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for you constructive edits, but I reverted your edits as they did not maintain a neutral point of view, which is one of our core policies on Wikipedia, along with some sources not being reliable (i.e. citing YouTube videos). The message was placed to give you a chance to restore your edit through the history feature and make improvements - here's an example of phrases in your edit that currently has NPOV issues:

• is one of the most prominent Nepali singers living and performing today
• Das has a modest and humble demeanor and makes rare appearances in the commercial and pop-media scene.
• Das is revered not only for his soothing timbre, and his top-notch vocal finesse but also for his powerful songwriting. His lyrics — rare of its kind in the Nepali music industry — are distinctly philosophical. Das does not dwell in the cliché romantic love-songs prevalent in Nepali pop music. Rather, he pens poignant words reminding the listeners of grand existential questions, while emanating hope to plow through life's ordeals, garnering beauty and meaning in the process.
• Etc..

Thank you again for your constructive edits, just please can you now ensure to edit the page again to make it more neutral, many thanks Ed6767 talk! 10:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

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