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Drum and bass GA

I added a note about the quotes in the article on the WP:GA/R page. I haven't done a full review but if I did, right off the bat the article would be on at least hold in regards to the quotes. Agne 18:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Congrats

Great job taking DnB to GA status! Do you have the energy to try for Featured Article status? Themindset 22:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. It could be done but it would need a lot of basic editing work (grammar, punctuation, spelling) and perhaps a few changes in the samples. I think they could be improved.

I'd need a couple of days to do it - might do if I get bored.

Thanks for doing the work on the quotations.

I'm worried about the articles getting degraded because of juvenile junglist arguments & editing. --Dustek 11:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I will be watching it like a hawk. I'm thinking about submitting it to FAC in order to get their recommendations, it would be good to get a list of things that it is needing that we can work on. Themindset 18:12, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

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I worked over the Toyota AE86 article last month—how does it looks to you now? DocWatson42 15:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

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How low does drum and bass go?

Good job for the most part on the drum and bass article, however, I still take some issue with the paragraph i removed some time ago. I haven't had any time to produce any evidence, However i believe that you have a mis-conception as to how low the bass is in drum and bass. I have created spectrographs of a large number of tracks (around 50), by different artists, The lowest bass in any of them was around the 30hz mark (usually at the end of sweeps etc). No track i measured had a bassline running at below 40hz for the majority of the notes. I've put a few examples below, hopefully you'll recognise a few. Wikipedia isn't the place for original research, however it is not the place for mistatement of fact based on individual conception either.

Dillinja - Acid Track:

http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dillinjabboynq8.jpg

This one bottoms out at around 40hz, on average one of the lowest tracks i found.

Pendulum - Slam(Mid Track)

http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pendulumslammidsongaq2.jpg

The bassline in this one is around 45hz, the intro is slightly lower at around 40 (not shown), The tarantula bassline is very similar

Lemon D - Leopard Skin Gruntees

http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lemondleopardskingrunteca8.jpg

This one is notable because its about the lowest one i could find, with notes in the 30hz range. They are not as high in amplitude as the main bassline (at 75hz) however.

Goldie - Timeless

http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goldietimelessvt8.jpg

This is fairly typical of this goldie album, note that the sweep doesn't get any lower than where it finishes in that screenshot.

I hope this clarifies the issue for you, i analyised about 50 tracks, from a wider range of artists than shown here. If there are any tracks you are curious about let me know. All the tracks were came from either CD or Vinyl here (no dodgy mp3s mucking up the results). The vinyl was played into the input of a pro, e-mu 0404 soundcard through a technics turntable. Not that it would effect the results, but sample rate was 44.1khz, FFT size was 8192, freq weighting was flat, graphs are over a time range of 3s w/8x time resolution. FFT window was hanning. results were the sum of L+R. A final note regarding the interpretation of graphs, in order to make things clear, the graph tops out at -10db, this means that thick red splotches are basically at peak amplitude, smaller splotches are not as high in amplitude.

Hope this is enough to convince you on a re-wording of the para etc.

Noodle snacks 07:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Let me know what you want to change the para to.

D.--Dustek 22:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I have made a change, most notably of content being lower than audible (this would be very rare, i didn't find any evidence in over 50 tracks). Took out the high fidelity (don't think its the right term). I am moving dillinja's comment about standard soundsystems to the valve sound system page, I don't think its particularly relevent for the drum and bass page. The paragraph may need rewording and some padding out with relevent information.

Noodle snacks 11:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Fine. I've been fiddling with some tracks and have found some very deep bass, mostly in Dillinja's tracks but there is not much point arguing over this relatively minor point. --Dustek 17:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Drum & bass

hey, no probs, i've been watching the d&b article for quite a long time. Been considering it for FA, maybe at some point.

I hope you dont mind but I've moved your comment saying "read the archives before discussing jungle vs. dnb" to the top of the talk page. There's one such discussion going on now so it'd probably help if anyone else coming in to participate saw that incase it starts going {{round in circles}} again. - Zeibura ^(Talk) 17:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Basic question

Is Jungle a black music? I mean, you know its roots, can you you say most of its earliest producers are black people? Is MBM's 'Radio Babylon' still dub? The same question goes to DnB genre. In the jungle/dnb articles, this issue isn't focused on enough. Thanks! -- 195.50.1.122 (talk) 12:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Quite a lot time's gone since it was asked. Scene dominance is not a thing to white the genre. Read it more carefuly. And, yup, the answer is yes it was created dominantly by black people. And yup, 'Radio Babylon' is not jungle i'm sure one digging it deep ll find a lot of experimental dub/jazz/whatever stuff to call it jungle much before MBM. -- 86.57.254.215 (talk) 12:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Have a read of the Fontaine book. Rave/hardcore is the origin of jungle/dnb and that was hardly 'black' music. Radio Babylon is widely acknowledged to be the first dnb/jungle tune.

--Dustek (talk) 08:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Then again, A Guy Called Gerald calls jungle 'black' music. I don't like the term because its undefined and racially tinged.

http://www.guycalledgerald.com/release/protech01/protech01.htm

--Dustek (talk) 08:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

It is just like synthpop being a precursor to techno. Synthpop is white music whilst Techno is black music. Radio Babylon is dub, it provides typical dub technique (small room/overreverbed room), and the only thing it can be called 'dnb' for is the combination of percusion with k---s-k---s-.. rhythm, which is hardly an invention of MBM. Four arguments to Radio Babylon opposition are:

• MBM is an experimental band. (there has been already noted somewhere that Kraftwerk's 'Radioactivity' was once 'recognized' a first dubstep track by some)
• Dub is a genre of vast (Can you definetely state no simillar dubtrack has been written just before /or much before Radio Babylon?)
• MBM's track isn't related to Rave, as Dub (or reverb technique) isn't related to Rave
• Two years passed till another tracks of jungle have appeared if Radio Babylon is considered a first track.

Arguments in favour are:

• MBM are British, so they are connected somehow to British Rave scene.
• Track's rhythm is quite a simillarity with jungle music rhythms.

Second argument is like 'drumfunk was created in the times jazz/funk drum improvisations appeared (20s to 60s)'. The first argument is weak without the second one.

One more argument that MBM's track is sampled in some jungle tracks as a straight shortcut to jungle music roots according to creators of those tracks. But it is quite a pov argument.

I don't know the roots of Rave, the scene was dominantly white, and the guy who brought acid house to UK was white too. But who started using 45rpm breakbeat over 4-tofloor is enigma to me personally.

Black music may be considered a 'racial term', therefore i think you'll enjoy more politcorrect one: 'Pop music genre created predominantly by black people of African/Carribean (may be also Indian) origin'. I asure, no one here wants it to start any racial war. -- 82.209.225.33 (talk) 16:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Pop music is hardly appropiate for a rather 'unpoppy' musical style. As far as the music being created predominantly by persons of one skin colour - why does it matter (if true)? A lot, perhaps a majority of early pioneers were African/Caribbean in origin but equally important pioneers of other races immediately appeared and the music never did have a specific skintone, though it was perhaps most popular early on in ethnically segregated and poor neighbourhoods. This is not the case of rap or jazz which can rightly be claimed to have been created, developed, promoted and enjoyed in its early days almost only by African/Carribean artists and audience. --Dustek (talk) 08:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Noone argues with that, peace -- 195.50.1.122 (talk) 16:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

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March 2021

Please do not add or change content, as you did at 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Idell (talk) 23:10, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

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You've obviously done a lot of editing in the past and added a lot of good stuff to WP (such as on Ron Wright, Drum + Bass). As mentioned by talk above, you're always free to add or change content if you can cite a reliable source and if the content is proofread/grammatically correct/etc. Recently, however, I am seeing that your edits are often unconstructive, even appearing to vandalize, such as in these articles. There is no need to make derogatory remarks on the subject or directly address users within the article itself. I am serving this warning with regard to your edits on these 3 articles: Daniel Moylan, Baron Moylan; 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend; Japanese marine paratroopers of World War II.

e.g. "He is a fine moron example of why the UK needs a meritocratic elected second chamber instead of a fascist moron bought with Russian money. Father hard work bought him Oxford and he doesn't know history his ancient ass lived through."

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December 2022

Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Andrew Tate. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:15, 28 December 2022 (UTC)